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[JJD]

No mention of games. Strictly what was already covered about the GPU and the Data Move Engines from info we already know from Vgleaks.

Aww man... =(

I have a feeling that regardless of lower specs MS will surprise everyone with some great software when they finally unveil. I hope I'm not wrong...

They won't change specs to react to Sony IMO, but they can change a bit of the focus of the first unveiling. If the the games are there 95% of the gaming population will forget about specs.

 

[Respawn]

Hmm new goodies? *rubs hands*

 

[Crimson_Gold]

Do not post the info, everyone just be patient.

Such restraint

 

[statham]

Just post the shit.

people have lifes/family, we will all know the truth in a month or so.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

It isn't just feasibility, no matter what some people here may try to say, GDDR5 is much more expensive than DDR3. I'm sure MS figured feasible or not, 8GB GDDR5 just wasnt cost effective.

There should easily be $100 difference in the machines BOM there should MS choose/be forced to exploit it.

I'm willing to bet that Sony received a major deal with GDDR5 vendors due to the depressed PC market, and the sheer quantity of GDDR5 that Sony's business will guarantee for them for a long time to come.

eSRAM isn't cheap either, by the way.

I doubt the difference in BOM costs is anywhere near $100 for PS4's memory solution vs. Durango.

$50 at best, if that.

I have a feeling that Microsoft knew going in that they needed 8 GB of unified memory, and their design reflects a conservative approach to achieving that goal knowing that 8 GB of GDDR5 had a very high risk of not being achievable.

 

[Jburton]

Do not post the info, everyone just be patient.

Fuck that, pastebin it or ...... PM me the info.

It seems to have already done the rounds in here.

 

[Salaadin]

There's new info? What does it tell us? Anything that we didn't already know?

 

[CrunchinJelly]

There's new info? What does it tell us? Anything that we didn't already know?

Dunno, people are teasing but not posting anything.

 

[Reiko]

There's new info? What does it tell us? Anything that we didn't already know?

This is not new info.

Dunno, people are teasing but not posting anything.

I've already told you the contents.

 

[Jburton]

This is not new info.

To whom ... You?

 

[KidBeta]

Fuck that, pastebin it or ...... PM me the info.

It seems to have already done the rounds in here.

Are you okay if I paste bin it and you/friend/parents/mother/someone you care about loses your/there job?.

 

[Reiko]

To whom ... You?

It's a brief documentation of old info that we know from VGleaks.

 

[Elios83]

So basically Microsoft has just confirmed most of the VGleaks specs?

 

[eddfromtheriver]

Is it the shooting for "100% efficiency" thing?, the new morsel of info?

And where have all those "secret sauce" proclaimers gone?.

 

[Salaadin]

It's a brief documentation of old info that we know from VGleaks.

Is it a recent document?

If it's stuff we already know, why is everyone clamoring for it?

 

[Uno Venova]

The hell is so interesting about this info people are so hungry to see it?

 

[rdrr gnr]

We never got a conclusive or final (though that is effectively impossible) resolution on the trade-offs between high-bandwidth low-capacity RAM versus high-capacity low-bandwidth RAM (plus eSRAM) issue. It seems like Sony's decision was in part independent, contingent on available densities, price, and developer input -- but I wonder if MSFT's approach had any effect whatsoever. I'm not sure I would buy the argument the other way around. I'm still skeptical about all these "inside" sources.

 

[Reiko]

Is it a recent document?

If it's stuff we already know, why is everyone clamoring for it?

No it's old.

I have no idea.

 

[Jburton]

Are you okay if I paste bin it and you/friend/parents/mother/someone you care about loses your/there job?.

Of course I do not want anyone to lose their jobs.

I question how secret it is if it is an open secret around here and things have been PMed between members who refer to documents when engaging in discussion.

 

[GavinGT]

 

[Salaadin]

No it's old.

I have no idea.

Lol ok then. Thanks.

 

[Glorified G]

It's a brief documentation of old info that we know from VGleaks.

Then why would you post this?

Because it has confidential written on every page.

Hopefully Vgleaks re-purposes the info for the public.

 

[Reiko]

Then why would you post this?

Because isn't that what VGleaks is doing now?

 

[Jburton]

Then why would you post this?

Insider peeps telling us what we don't know but they can't tell us, but its not new so it don't matter but its confidential and hopefully someone else will leak it.

 

[Glorified G]

Because isn't that what VGleaks is doing now?

Why are you hoping for VGLeaks to do it if there already are?

 

[USC-fan]

Why do people think someone will lose their job if you post info that just confirm vgleaks? Did this info just go to one person? A lot of people where at that summit. How would it be tracked to one person?

 

[Reiko]

Why are you hoping for VGLeaks to do it if there already are?

I dunno. For people that want to know what's inside? Maybe post launch, I guess.


That slide is useless since VGleaks already went into greater detail anyway.

Anyway, I'm going to stop my discussion on that document.

1.) The current VGleaks article is covering "allegedly" up to date info.
2.) VGleaks already has more in depth info released to the public.

 

[Glorified G]

That slide is useless since VGleaks already went into greater detail anyway.

That's my point. Why even mention the slides if the info is already old/known? What's the point in anyone seeing it if you vgleaks already went into greater detail?

I'm not purposely trying to give you a hard time or anything, but if the doc has no relevance I don't see the point in mentioning it.

 

[CLEEK]

Why do people think someone will lose their job if you post info that just confirm vgleaks? Did this info just go to one person? A lot of people where at that summit. How would it be tracked to one person?

The confidential .pdf documents would certainly have digital watermarks.

http://www.digitalwatermarkingalliance.org/app_docimage.asp

Effective document and image security helps companies...

* Identify each copy of a confidential document and/or image with a unique digital identity

* Trace back to the source of leaks if sensitive materials are distributed intentionally or inadvertently

Posting edited highlights is one thing, but making the documents themselves available could easily lead back the source.

 

[CrunchinJelly]

No it's old.

I have no idea.

I thought people had documents from the event this week.

 

[eddfromtheriver]

Honest question, if the latest rumor on Durango is true, would that put PS4 and Durango on equal footing?.

 

[KidBeta]

That's my point. Why even mention the slides if the info is already old/known? What's the point in anyone seeing it if you vgleaks already went into greater detail?

I'm not purposely trying to give you a hard time or anything, but if the doc has no relevance I don't see the point in mentioning it.

Because it proves that at least some of the vgleaks information is true.

 

[Jburton]

I thought people had documents from the event this week.

That's what it seemed to me.

 

[Reiko]

I thought people had documents from the event this week.

No you're getting mixed up. The document I'm mentioning is old.

We have no idea if someone actually has new up to date info from the conference.

 

[Elios83]

I dunno. For people that want to know what's inside? Maybe post launch, I guess.


That slide is useless since VGleaks already went into greater detail anyway.

Anyway, I'm going to stop my discussion on that document.

1.) The current VGleaks article is covering "allegedly" up to date info.
2.) VGleaks already has more in depth info released to the public.

Honestly I'm not getting it, if you know this, why have you been questioning the leaked specs so far hoping for a significant upgrade?
Or is it something that has come out right now?

 

[USC-fan]

The confidential .pdf documents would certainly have digital watermarks.

http://www.digitalwatermarkingalliance.org/app_docimage.asp



Posting edited highlights is one thing, but making the documents themselves available could easily lead back the source.

Copy/paste .... done

 

[CLEEK]

Honest question, if the latest rumor on Durango is true, would that put PS4 and Durango on equal footing?.

What's the latest rumour?

Dual APU? 8GHz GPU? 16GB RAM? All have been mentioned in the past few days. I strongly doubt any have a basis in reality.

 

[KidBeta]

Copy/paste .... done

You cannot copy paste this :/

 

[Reiko]

Honestly I'm not getting it, if you know this, why have you been questioning the leaked specs so far hoping for a significant upgrade?
Or is it something that has come out right now?

I'm not questioning it at all. But there is always the possibility that something can change.

If MS didn't change their specs for an entire year, then so be it.

Again. This is not up to date info.

 

[Glorified G]

Because it proves that at least some of the vgleaks information is true.

ahh ok. makes sense.

 

[eddfromtheriver]

What's the latest rumour?

Dual APU? 8GHz GPU? 16GB RAM? All have been mentioned in the past few days. I strongly doubt any have a basis in reality.

The Dual APU bit, but would any of these rumors being true put them both at the same level?

Thanks for answering.

 

[Elios83]

I'm not questioning it at all. But there is always the possibility that something can change.

If MS didn't change their specs for an entire year, then so be it.

Ah ok so this document you're all talking about is not the up to date document that vgleaks claim to have?
I'm not sure why it's worth mentioning it if it's the ''famous'' Feb 2012 pdf.

 

[KidBeta]

The Dual APU bit, but would any of these rumors being true put them both at the same level?

Thanks for answering.

dual APU would probably make it more powerful.

And also probably make it cost $600+.

 

[Reiko]

Ah ok so this document you're all talking about is not the up to date document that vgleaks claim to have?
I'm not sure why it's worth mentioning it if it's the ''famous'' Feb 2012 pdf.

Only because it briefly mentions 100% theoretical GPU efficiency that's standard of the new GCN architecture. Other than that... It's really nothing to talk about.

 

[Stillmatic]

You cannot copy paste this :/

Print screen/paste? Booyaa!

 

[CLEEK]

The Dual APU bit, but would any of these rumors being true put them both at the same level?

Thanks for answering.

An 8GHz GPU would put the next Xbox on level footing with a god damn super computer, and would need to be the size a fridge to cool it.

16GB RAM would be nice, but wouldn't greatly impact/improve performance as such.

Dual APU, who knows. Depends on the secondary APU, how both can be managed, bottlenecks between them and so on. Theoretically, yeah, it could produce a PS4 beater. But is highly unlikely to happen.

 

[KidBeta]

Print screen/paste? Booyaa!

Theres way to watermark that would be preserved with print screening.

 

[eddfromtheriver]

dual APU would probably make it more powerful.

And also probably make it cost $600+.

An 8GHz GPU would put the next Xbox on level footing with a god damn super computer, and would need to be the size a fridge to cool it.

16GB RAM would be nice, but wouldn't greatly impact/improve performance as such.

Dual APU, who knows. Depends on the secondary APU, how both can be managed, bottlenecks between them and so on. Theoretically, yeah, it could produce a PS4 beater. But is highly unlikely to happen.

Thanks to both of you for replying.

 

[USC-fan]

So guys that seen it... can you confirm everything vgleaks posted matches what you have seem. That really only things that matter. Saw one say vgleaks info had greater info.

 

[Reiko]

So guys that seen it... can you confirm everything vgleaks posted matches what you have seem. That really only things that matter. Saw one say vgleaks info had greater info.

Their info checks out so far.