Guhnmystro
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If they rebooted the matrix every action scene would have dubstep.
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Vice: "The Matrix is Dated and Embarrasing."
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It's an entertainment site that started as a pop culture magazine given away at clothing stores.
Wolfe
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greycolumbus
The success of others absolutely infuriates me.
100% agreed. The gulf between the two is really striking.
The biggest problem I have with the Matrix is the forced rewrite. In the movie, people are kept alive so they can be an energy source, which is wildly inefficient. Also for some reason they're in a virtual reality.
The original script had the minds of humans acting as a massive parallel super computer which the AI computers relied on for their existence, and the virtual reality was like the kernel which everything ran on. That's why Neo and other guys were able to outperform the AI with training, people are hardware, agent Smith is just software.
They gave the reason for the rewrite as making the plot simpler. All you had to do was have Morpheus do his speech and instead of saying humanity was reduced to "this" and dramatically holding up a battery, he dramatically holds up a computer chip.
The original script had the minds of humans acting as a massive parallel super computer which the AI computers relied on for their existence, and the virtual reality was like the kernel which everything ran on. That's why Neo and other guys were able to outperform the AI with training, people are hardware, agent Smith is just software.
They gave the reason for the rewrite as making the plot simpler. All you had to do was have Morpheus do his speech and instead of saying humanity was reduced to "this" and dramatically holding up a battery, he dramatically holds up a computer chip.
way more
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It sounds pretty much the same to me. I don't think every unfilmed, alternate is always better.
zero shift
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I enjoy Vice but there is some truth to this. They do some great work...and also some crap. Immediately comes to my mind is the KKK vs The Crips episode. "The Crips" consisted of a lone teenager who had to stay home from the rally because his mom said she would ground him if he did, because it was raining and thus too dangerous...
Well, the processor version explains why there is VR, why Neo is faster, and gets rid of the humans as energy source plot hole.
I put it more in a Forbidden Planet, Planet of the Apes sphere. Popular, ultimately flawed, pretty hokey, and of its time. All those other films you mentioned are good by today's standards.
rotf
XANDER CAGE
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Being very much a product of a certain time isn't always a bad thing.
I'm also wondering if this article is intentionally trolling, because half of its argument is based on a POD video for a song that isn't even in the first movie. Also, it includes wonderful nuggets like this:
...which is just as tryhard pop-philosophical WOAH MAN as anything in the Matrix, just without a cool movie to back it up. Also they're throwing shade at early Deftones? The fuck?
I'm also wondering if this article is intentionally trolling, because half of its argument is based on a POD video for a song that isn't even in the first movie. Also, it includes wonderful nuggets like this:
...which is just as tryhard pop-philosophical WOAH MAN as anything in the Matrix, just without a cool movie to back it up. Also they're throwing shade at early Deftones? The fuck?
Nothing terribly wrong about being a movie "in the now", but there are films that age better than others.
Go watch Die Hard, yeah, a couple of things stand up (especially how no one have a cellphone) but for the most part, it could've been made yesterday. For better or worse, The Matrix screams 90s.
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Citizen Kane aged amazingly, almost miraculously well, it still can be completely enjoyable for contemporary movie goers even though they would most likely wouldn't understand its context and would certainly wouldn't see it as a technological marvel (that movie blew people minds on the technical level when it came out).
I don't think it's particularly fair to compare The Matrix to Citizen Kane, but you brought it up.
I agree, and that's a good comparison.
The only different is that no one ever thought Planet of the Apes or Forbidden Planet to be deep masterpieces.
Riposte
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I don't believe people are embarrassed by the Matrix, so I don't understand why it is embarrassing.
People say things that are "very 90s" have aged, but I wonder if that has more to do with the context that we have lived and are living in the decades immediately following the 90s. Fashion can be cyclical, so do things "un-age" if they become cool again or perhaps when we are no longer trying to outgrow its era?
The news exists primarily for entertainment, so VICE creating stories more so than finding them is just them being ahead of the curve.
People say things that are "very 90s" have aged, but I wonder if that has more to do with the context that we have lived and are living in the decades immediately following the 90s. Fashion can be cyclical, so do things "un-age" if they become cool again or perhaps when we are no longer trying to outgrow its era?
The news exists primarily for entertainment, so VICE creating stories more so than finding them is just them being ahead of the curve.
You do realise that Vice.com is based on the magazine that has been published since 1994 and always been about covering underground/fashion/music/photography/lifestyle magazine? Don't you? Even back in the '90 it was the same kind of stuff that you read on the site; editorials, random stories about random stuff, interesting things, etc. The magazine was huge and very liked back then. Nothing has changed ever about their format or the style of coverage, it has always been about weird shit, drugs, drunk people, do and donts, sex, crackheads, etc. The name of the mag is VICE, after all. I remember reading an article about how to eat pussy like a god. Theyve been doing this for 20 years. They have tons of people working for them, so thats why the quality, or relevance of article may vary sometimes.
https://news.vice.com/ is the serious side of the whole thing with legitimate real interviews, coverage and so on.
The serious aspect has been working on since 2006 I think, and it's pretty obvious that it's taking over the vice brand.
It's kind of weird to see how people can't difference them?
My point in bringing up citizen kane was that it was made as a semi biography of Hearst, most people that watch it today have no clue who Hearst was but it is still enjoyable. The same with it being black and white and by their logic inferior to movies made recently because it doesn't have nice fancy modern bells and whistles.
Just because a movie is very specific to a time period and issues or trends within that time period (yes, Kane could be likened to Murdoch today I suppose) doesn't make it a lesser movie. It's a terrible and lazy critique.
Time passed does not equal quality dropping.
jonnyp
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It was terrible back then and even worse now. I agree.
I of course agree that time passes doesn't equal a drop in quality.
Here's the thing about The Matrix though, big part of its appeal was its cool factor, and sadly, coolness is very rarely timeless, and a lot of things that might've looked cool in '99, look rather silly now.
Citizen Kane had a lot to fall back on once the Rudolph Hearst smackdown stopped being relevant, The Matrix doesn't really have that luxury (especially since its signature stylistic choice - slow motion/bullet time has been done to death since. It's not the fault of the movie, but it's certainly don't feel novel or fresh in 2014).
Same thing happened to Easy Rider, another movie that leaned heavily on being cool and aged pretty damn poorly.
QualityPixel
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Heh, I don't think this would of had as much of an impact on your average movie going audience.
Ah don't worry about it, that guy has made objectively wrong opinions for a while.
2edgy4me
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So you're saying the late 90s saved us from catastrophe.
Oh Vice... just stick to sending quaking awkward nerd reporters into "Chiraq" and promoting shit music and the culture you think you have influence on besides desperate internet denizens looking for any attempt to be hip. You are as dated as the movie you mock.
Matrix was the shit in 1999 and it likely is today. Yes, the idea of "the matrix" was a philosophical cliche and the hacking stuff goofy but it's good popcorn entertainment. It also introduced DJ Hive to mainstream ears, err wait maybe that's a bad thing cuz underground music's gotta stay underground unless you guys say so.
15 year old movie is dated? No shit. I feel obligated to watch it again now. Maybe kick back and watch a dated double feature with a 20 year old vintage Hackers to chase that bitter red Matrix pill.
Matrix was the shit in 1999 and it likely is today. Yes, the idea of "the matrix" was a philosophical cliche and the hacking stuff goofy but it's good popcorn entertainment. It also introduced DJ Hive to mainstream ears, err wait maybe that's a bad thing cuz underground music's gotta stay underground unless you guys say so.
15 year old movie is dated? No shit. I feel obligated to watch it again now. Maybe kick back and watch a dated double feature with a 20 year old vintage Hackers to chase that bitter red Matrix pill.
Freezasaurus
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I don't think so. The sequels, maybe. But the original is a classic.
Maybe, but I've never had this problem when I watch something like easy rider. It's easy for me to know that it is a time capsule movie so to speak and enjoy it on its own merits.
I just hate the critiques that rest purely on relevancy rather than judging the movie on its own terms and not on the world surrounding it. It's lazy imo, by all means be critical but don't rest the entire base of your argument on "its of its time" therefore is retrospectively shit. It isn't like the matrix doesn't have a ton of other more meaningful problems.
BobTheFork
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I didn't think the first movie could really get dated, based on how they presented it. Some time in the future, with insane tech integrated to the mind, but it's also presented in a fairly low-tech way. With old monitors, keyboards and big plugs. The ship look cobbled together and they had the tone perfectly in the first movie.
If they 're-make' it, they will probably blow out the the tech and make it look like the new Total Recall, which I think would suck.
If they 're-make' it, they will probably blow out the the tech and make it look like the new Total Recall, which I think would suck.
Nappuccino
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But . . . but the green is there to represent that they're in the matrix. Like the old pc screens where the letters were green. It's a visual cue to help separate the matrix from reality. I'm not sure they would ever remove that from the film.
So there's a few of us, then.
Chuckie
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Delta Assault
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No, the thing is that the original movie had a very light green tint for the Matrix world. It's also carried over to the original dvd transfer.
But for the later dvd and bluray trilogy sets, they went back and massively increased the green and blue tints.
He's referring to the fact that you can't obtain the movie on HD without the awful new green tint.
I want to see george Lucas cut the film. No Green and Cypher is attacked by the crew first.
FrankieMcGuire
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They just want some eyes on them. Matrix was great back then and still is.
vagabondarts
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Same. Weird thing is I used to hate the third movie. stayed away from them for years and finally sat down to re watch all three a few weeks ago.
I enjoyed watching all three equally and had a blast. Maybe since I'm older I can appreciate some things better? Not sure.
No, the thing is that the original movie had a very light green tint for the Matrix world. It's also carried over to the original dvd transfer.
But for the later dvd and bluray trilogy sets, they went back and massively increased the green and blue tints.
He's referring to the fact that you can't obtain the movie on HD without the awful new green tint.
I have a copy without the tint, it's VHS.
PhoncipleBone
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No, the thing is that the original movie had a very light green tint for the Matrix world. It's also carried over to the original dvd transfer.
But for the later dvd and bluray trilogy sets, they went back and massively increased the green and blue tints.
He's referring to the fact that you can't obtain the movie on HD without the awful new green tint.
They re-color timed the entire film so that it matched visually with the sequels. At least it was done under the supervision of the Wachowskis and Bill Pope.
Mushroomer25
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I agree in spots. The visual effects haven't aged well, and since so many action films ripped off The Matrix in the decade that followed it - it feels a little trite from a modern context. It also still suffers from the leather-trenchcoat-and-sunglasses look, which wierd highschool kids nationwide adopted as their uniform of choice. (You see a similar effect with V for Vendetta. Watching it in a post-Anonymous world is just cringeworthy.).
Spring-Loaded
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It was more than adequate before. ugh
Arkos
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But can you blame them for being seminal? I don't really see that as a fault. And I also love the Guy Fawkes mask lol (bonus fact: it was created by the comic correct? Watching the movie you get the impression that it's some kind of "thing" but apparently it wasn't before the comic/movie if I'm not mistaken)
Professor Chaos
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This article is ridiculous. Limp Bizkit are still as relevant as they ever were.
But seriously, Vice must be getting desperate for clicks to spew out this.
But seriously, Vice must be getting desperate for clicks to spew out this.
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