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View Co-hosts facing backlash after mocking Miss America Nurse

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SeanR1221

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I'm friends with a lot of nurses on social media so this has been blowing up all over my feed

http://m.eonline.com/news/696230/th...ogue-why-does-she-have-a-doctor-s-stethoscope

"The talent, though, I have to say, the woman who won sang opera, and she was incredible. Really good," Collins said. "But then there was a girl who wrote her own monologue and I was like 'Turn the volume up, this is going be amazing, let's listen'. She came out in a nurse's uniform and basically read her emails out loud and shockingly did not win."

"Seriously?!" Joy Behar responded, appearing incredibly perplexed.
"I swear to God it was hilarious," Collins replied.
"Why does she have a doctor's stethoscope on?" Behar asked before Collins clarified, "She helps patients with Alzheimer's, which I know is not funny, but I swear you had to see it."

The link includes a video of what they said.

The biggest area of contention seems to be Joy Behar asked why the contestant had a "doctors stethoscope" on.

And for anyone interested, here is Kelly's (Miss Colorado) monologue

http://youtu.be/nYoCW1DQWQE
 

cackhyena

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Nurses just take notes for doctors everybody knows that a monkey could do it nothing to see here Joy just spotting imposters.
 
Were all the ladies of the View really mocking the contestant, as the tweets suggest, or was it Behar just being ignorant about what nurses do?
I'd imagine the combination of Collins calling the monologue funny, plus Behar's comment and no one else saying anything to defend nurses, was seen as mocking.
Oh, gosh. I hadn't watched the video and assumed it was a stand-up routine. Yes, the View comments are disrespectful.
 

SeanR1221

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Were all the ladies of the View really mocking the contestant, as the tweets suggest, or was it Behar just being ignorant about what nurses do?

I'd imagine the combination of Collins calling the monologue funny, plus Behar's comment and no one else saying anything to defend nurses, was seen as mocking.
 
I thought it was odd calling her a girl instead of a woman. I try to not call a female who is an adult a girl as I'd not like it being called a boy while being an adult. Maybe that's just me. I see it as rude.
 

Siegcram

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I remember researching a paper for college and every statistic telling me nurses are among the most respected professions in the US. I find that fact difficult to reconcile with reality.

This is just another example for that.
 

rambis

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I thought it was odd calling her a girl instead of a woman. I try to not call a female who is an adult a girl as I'd not like it being called a boy while being an adult. Maybe that's just me. I see it as rude.
You have to learn the difference between "girl" and "guurrrl".
 
I'm a nurse.
I've gotta say that those nurses bitching about this need to calm the fuck down.

If you're genuinely getting upset about what 5 out of touch TV presenters are saying to their echo-chamber of an audience... you need a hobby.
I wonder how they cope in the real world where patients are violent and abusive?
 
I'm a nurse.
I've gotta say that those nurses bitching about this need to calm the fuck down.

If you're genuinely getting upset about what 5 out of touch TV presenters are saying to their echo-chamber of an audience... you need a hobby.
I wonder how they cope in the real world where patients are violent and abusive?

The View has a big audience. Their bad opinions can spread. A violent/abusive is only affecting things for the duration of their hospitalization.
 
I'm a nurse.
I've gotta say that those nurses bitching about this need to calm the fuck down.

If you're genuinely getting upset about what 5 out of touch TV presenters are saying to their echo-chamber of an audience... you need a hobby.
I wonder how they cope in the real world where patients are violent and abusive?
The problem is that lots of doctors feel this way too and it hinders the kind of care patients receive. In my wife's unit, resident MDs frequently second-guess or outright ignore the nurses' suggestions, even though the nurses are the ones who spend all day with the patients and understand their condition better. On more than one occasion it has led to the administration of a procedure that has made the patient worse.

I'm sure a lot of the nurses' frustration on social media is fueled in part by this.
 

lednerg

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I enjoyed that 2 minute monologue more than anything from Joy Behar's entire career. We reward the wrong people in our society.
 

JDSN

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The problem is that lots of doctors feel this way too and it hinders the kind of care patients receive. In my wife's unit, resident MDs frequently second-guess or outright ignore the nurses' suggestions, even though the nurses are the ones who spend all day with the patients and understand their condition better. On more than one occasion it has led to the administration of a procedure that has made the patient worse.

I'm sure a lot of the nurses' frustration on social media is fueled in part by this.
The sad truth, the really good nurses see this and decide to not bother being pro active or are told by the rest of my colleages that they should have been Doctors, which probably kinda hurts.
 
I'm a nurse.
I've gotta say that those nurses bitching about this need to calm the fuck down.

If you're genuinely getting upset about what 5 out of touch TV presenters are saying to their echo-chamber of an audience... you need a hobby.
I wonder how they cope in the real world where patients are violent and abusive?

Gonna go on a limb and say that the real world patients don't have the ability to affect and persuade millions of Americans. I think that's the problem.
 

Nivash

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The problem is that lots of doctors feel this way too and it hinders the kind of care patients receive. In my wife's unit, resident MDs frequently second-guess or outright ignore the nurses' suggestions, even though the nurses are the ones who spend all day with the patients and understand their condition better. On more than one occasion it has led to the administration of a procedure that has made the patient worse.

I'm sure a lot of the nurses' frustration on social media is fueled in part by this.

A lot of doctors should listen more to nurses, no argument there. But there's a need to second guess any suggestion too - including from other doctors and nurses - because at the end of the day the doctor is responsible for the decision and the one who's going to pay if it goes wrong, not the person making the suggestion. This sometimes leads to worse outcomes because they would rather stick to "safe" decisions that might not be as effective, but it's rather unavoidable.

I worked as medical secretary during a summer break in med school. A doctor had made an error when filling out a form for a patient's insurance claim and then disappeared off on vacation with no way of reaching him. I spent almost a month trying to find a doctor willing to just make the small correction and sign off on the form but everyone refused because they couldn't sign off on a patient they'd never met in case the doctor had made more errors. Doctors don't even trust other doctors when it comes to stuff like that, they're a very cautious bunch. Eventually I did find one willing to take the risk but he wasn't happy about it and planned to make sure the vacationing doctor knew it once he got back.

I remember researching a paper for college and every statistic telling me nurses are among the most respected professions in the US. I find that fact difficult to reconcile with reality.

This is just another example for that.

People love the idealized character of the nurse, not the actual profession. They adore the image of the young (usually pretty), idealistic woman for whom helping others is a calling and who will do everything for the patient and never once complain. They don't understand the reality of the profession: the far from glamorous tasks, the grueling hours, the low pay despite high education and responsibility, the reality of being the one patients take to task for anything they're dissatisfied with because they - unlike most specialist physicians - are actually around for the patient to call on.

Nurses are even denigrated for not living up to that caricature from time to time. Like in wage negotiations and strikes where common people accuse them of being selfish for thinking about their pay when "saving lives is what should matter". Or the assumption with some patients that they should always have a smile on their face and immediately see to the patient's every need, no matter how trivial or time-wasting.
 
So Joy Behar has literally never seen a nurse before then?

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A lot of doctors should listen more to nurses, no argument there. But there's a need to second guess any suggestion too - including from other doctors and nurses - because at the end of the day the doctor is responsible for the decision and the one who's going to pay if it goes wrong, not the person making the suggestion. This sometimes leads to worse outcomes because they would rather stick to "safe" decisions that might not be as effective, but it's rather unavoidable.
It was a poor choice of words on my part, re: second-guess. Of course there should be redundancy in medical decision-making.

I meant to say the MDs disregard the input. The doctors sometimes just follow only on or two data streams to make a diagnosis, and the nurse will object, saying the patient's other signs and symptoms are inconsistent. That advice gets ignored and the wrong procedure or medication is ordered. I can't speak as to how often this happens, but it does happen.
 

Nivash

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It was a poor choice of words on my part, re: second-guess. Of course there should be redundancy in medical decision-making.

I meant to say the MDs disregard the input. The doctors sometimes just follow only on or two data streams to make a diagnosis, and the nurse will object, saying the patient's other signs and symptoms are inconsistent. That advice gets ignored and the wrong procedure or medication is ordered. I can't speak as to how often this happens, but it does happen.

Now that's the kind of information they should definitely listen to. I have no respect for doctors who won't even give nurses the time of the day. I agree fully with you that it happens too often (because everything more often then "never" is too often). Sometimes it's because they're stressed and have already made their decision and want to move on, other times it's because they're assholes - but I don't think it's ever defensible.
 
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Who won? I just watched the swimsuit round (what? YouTube suggested it....), and Wisconsin was gorgeous, easy winner for me.
 

DOWN

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Nurses are the hardcore team that the doctor trusts and collaborates with. Behar just seems a bit ignorant.
 

Nephtis

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The View hosts deserve the shit they're getting flung... But some of the posts on facebook need to stop being so goddamn preachy. Like, ugh. Stop it with that shit please.
 

entremet

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Big deal. Joy Behar has been saying stupid stuff for years on The View. I guess internet outrage culture is catching up with her.

Just ignore her.
 
My wife came home from work in a huff about this last night. I had to remind her that this is a show that had a co-host who thought the world was flat.
 
People still give a fuck what The View has to say, in 2015? Throw that shit in the bushes. Alongside Ann Coulter and all the other people that don't matter/shouldn't shock you in 2015.
 
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