This is exactly where I stand on the subject. Yes to the first sentence, no to the second.
Vita "hacked," (PSP) homebrew on the way (not piracy)
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This is exactly where I stand on the subject. Yes to the first sentence, no to the second.
phosphor112
Banned
Same video I watched. That's less responsive than my old Nokia that ran freaking Symbian with 64mb of ram. How is that "pretty well"?
And there you have it.
Youve just come up with the number one reason why hacking and homebrew on a console is desirable to people.
And with that, I'm off out. Thanks!
phosphor112
Banned
Lol, to run features that countless other devices have, that are cheaper and more efficient?
Yeah, flawless logic.
Gemüsepizza
Member
Only because the Xbox 360 supports avi. And again, why do people want avi/xvid support on a device with a high quality qhd AMOLED+ display? Those files often have bad quality and a big size compared to mp4/h.264 files.
ok, so you're positive its the ram then? i'll have to look up some videos of the galaxy s1 with 512mb and see if its as slow
edit: and to clarify further. pretty well i was referring to ics. as i said i have that installed on my n1. i didn't intend to make any claims on jb running "pretty well". although i still think it runs quite well considering the hardware. and from what i've seen on the s1, jb is faster than the n1. so there's no reason to think the vita couldn't do it. ideal? of course not. too bloated? i don't think so
I am interested in a Vita because I want to play Valkyria Chronicles 2 and 3.
VC2 is available in English and VC3 is not, but there is apparently a fan translation project.
I know I could buy the games and a specific model of PSP and do this, but I've been waiting for the ability to do this on a Vita. Is this now possible? (Note: I don't give a tiddly shit about PSN.)
VC2 is available in English and VC3 is not, but there is apparently a fan translation project.
I know I could buy the games and a specific model of PSP and do this, but I've been waiting for the ability to do this on a Vita. Is this now possible? (Note: I don't give a tiddly shit about PSN.)
The Faceless Master
Member
that's not surprising. many homebrew coders are against piracy.
Assuming the system gets properly cracked why not use whatever excellent emulator Sony graciously provided for the Vita. It's what happened with PSX on the PSP after all. No one is going to work on porting one instead.
Even if for some reason they couldn't get the Sony one to work the circumstances would be such that the hackers don't have good access to the system and any such port would probably be low speed and because of the wide spread use of the official emulator in low demand.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
phosphor112
Banned
For a good reason, because they want it easy to develop homebrew, but pirates ruin it for everyone.
demosthenes
Member
You knew the games that were coming out for it. You bought it knowing the games that would be coming out, so the drought is on you. Is it annoying that there is no PS+ yet? Yes. Is the transfer thing ridiculous? Yes. But to say Sony doesn't give us good stuff, please.
Moral Panic
Member
Isn't the PlayStation Mobile there for homebrew developers?
phosphor112
Banned
For Indie developers. Things like emulators, would get turned down by Sony's authorization process.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Gemüsepizza;41819647 said:
No excuse. The PS3 supports divx, the Vita should as well.
Er-Is there an Android version that I don't know of? PSP version won't automatically run just because the PSP2 runs Android. :/
And besides, can't you just buy Freedom Unite off the PSN store already and play Monster Hunter that way?
test_account
XP-39C²
In that case, Monster Hunter is already on Vita because Monster Hunter Frontier is supported via PSP emulation
Yes, that is exactly my point (unless you were just adding to my point?)
Tablets follows the same business model as cellphone, they make the profit from the hardware sales itself. It doesnt matter if a console offers homebrew support, because there are reasons to hack it anyway. And to expect fully open consoles wont happen unless consoles are sold with maybe $150 - $200 profit margins.Another thing about software access to hardware is that in some cases, even if a company might want to provide a feature, they may well be hamstrung legally and unable to do so (a hearty fuck you to HDCP on the side while I'm at it)
Users modifying the device to use its full potential is not the least bit unusual - hardware hacking has been going on for ages in all forms, the big difference here is that software licenses are... strange, to put it mildly, so while no one thinks twice if you take your car in your garage and 'hack' to your hearts content, if you start hacking a physical device and its attendant software, a whole other host of weird laws and peoples opinions on said laws come into play.
Users modifying the device to use its full potential is not the least bit unusual - hardware hacking has been going on for ages in all forms, the big difference here is that software licenses are... strange, to put it mildly, so while no one thinks twice if you take your car in your garage and 'hack' to your hearts content, if you start hacking a physical device and its attendant software, a whole other host of weird laws and peoples opinions on said laws come into play.
kurtrussell
Banned
Well then that just negates your whole "why wouldn't you be patient and wait for Sony to do it" argument.
Besides, maybe Homebrew can bring some features that the majority of users do want. Like games.
LittleJohnny
Banned
So using 10 seperate non portable devices is better than one portable that does everything? I think his logic is pretty sound.
Beats of Rage was one of my favorite PSP homebrews, countless homebrew gems were created with that engine and that's just a single example. Playing old treasues from Sega CD on the go was brilliant, I never got to finish Willie Beamish for the Sega CD and finally did on the PSP while riding the train to work. Emulation on the go is so amazing!
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
phosphor112
Banned
Homebrew games are highly overrated. It's like people hyping the shit out of SuperTux on Linux.
...That is what I just said. "They may not need to write another emulator," meant that they won't. The point of that post was to illustrate how homebrew could still aid PSX support by providing the ability to play non-PSN PSX games on the Vita, just as you could on PSP. So basically you just said what I said.
sorijealut
Member
The talk of emulators really have me looking at it in a new light. It is the end-all player.
Literalage
Banned
So far almost every homebrew excuse has been knocked out. PSmobile will do the job. This really is just an excuse to crack the system, and to get hacked copies of games that people dont legally own. Be it on emulator or backup, its not nessisary, thought it would be nice to see somebody really try and push the vita with some pc game ports, lets get diablo 2 going on this beast, or starcraft 2. Please?
GoofsterStud
Member
No... Coders want you to use their applications. That's the whole point of writing code... Piracy would lower the amount of people who would otherwise use your programs/app/emu/games, because they are to busy pirating things.
It goes against the homebrew community in every way imaginable.
If you believe PSmobile does the job, you are not a coder....
Well, cheers for accusing half the posters in this thread of being pirates.
Yeah, and I don't think it allows full access to the hardware.
But you could always load any program you want directly through the SDK, someone just needs to share the code. This is how the Vita Remote Desktop app works currently.
Sony requires PS Mobile games to be able to run on all PS Mobile devices, which includes shitty android phones. So you wont be seeing high quality Vita games coming from it. Also, I am pretty sure you do not get full access to the hardware with PS Mobile. Homebrew has more potential.
GoofsterStud
Member
No...sh.t...
Here is what I don't understand.. I dislike the PSV... I'm horrible. I show why it's failing, I'm wrong... It continues to fail.. I'm still wrong. I finally get excited about the PSV, and am very positive about it. I'm dooming the PSV.
Sums it up.
GoofsterStud
Member
It does not allow full access, it makes things unnecessarily convoluted.
No coders...no homebrew. It's that simple.
Note: Meant to copy this and post it with the previous message, since I can't delete it I'm just keeping it.
Geez.... between the Vita retail games, the Vita PSN games, the PSP games, PS1 games, Remote Play, and soon the Playstation Mobile support I think Sony has been supporting the Vita better then any other company has supported any other hardware platform in its first year. That's 6 avenues where content can be delivered to the system.
GeorgioCostanzaX
Member
To say nothing of Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep, Mega Man Powered Up, Crisis Core and Phantasy Star Portable. I'd crack my Vita (at least temporarily) to be able to play them on the OLED in a heartbeat. If Sony were to allow emulators on PSMobile I might reconsider.
bbbbbbbbbbut it doesn't play NON sony games.....
I honestly don't give a single fuck about emulating 15 year old games but if devs can use use the hack to bring the OS up to modern standards, then I am all for it. Let me open youtube links in the youtube app rather than showing me the mobile site with a flash error. More audio video codec support that are arbitrarily not supported would be nice too.
I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, it's just a "project". Sony has been much better at closing holes in their security. The longer this "project" is worked on, the more holes they will find and proactively fix it via patches. I bet that Sony is re-actively looking at this now.
The press? Well pretty much everyone is tearing it apart.
Most people actually don't know about it or ignore it, which is much worse than just plain old slamming it.
But you can make an emulator. Distribute and selling the emulator is another thing.
The Horror the horror
Banned
No kidding.
"Such and such homebrew is overrated, you shouldn't like it"
"Why do you need X, Y, Z for? There's no need. What are you, weird?"
"Use the Vita as it was intended by THE Sony, and remember to kiss it before going to bed every night"
Please shut it.
Literalage
Banned
Well every single homebrew device eventually does succumb to becoming a piracy machine, I always hear that the vocal people are fewer than the silent ones and in this case I would say probably its true, nobody I know, who hacked their psp, did it for custom apps, and with todays phones that becomes even looser reason to do it.
It's great you guys wanna add new features to the device, it's awesome people wanna see original games pop up.
thats not whats going to be the long term effect of hacking and cracking of this device. Most people in this thread wanna play psp games that arn't availible, that alone is leading to piracy.
That all said. I want the emulators, I wanna see pc games running on psvita, and I want make my machine do things never intended. I dont know a single tech savy person who hasn't pirated at least once, myself included. i don't feel like calling people pirates, is really that far from the truth, especially on a homebrew thread. I'm just saiyin
It's great you guys wanna add new features to the device, it's awesome people wanna see original games pop up.
thats not whats going to be the long term effect of hacking and cracking of this device. Most people in this thread wanna play psp games that arn't availible, that alone is leading to piracy.
That all said. I want the emulators, I wanna see pc games running on psvita, and I want make my machine do things never intended. I dont know a single tech savy person who hasn't pirated at least once, myself included. i don't feel like calling people pirates, is really that far from the truth, especially on a homebrew thread. I'm just saiyin
Theres not a chance in hell of PC games running on the vita unless theyre DOS or similar. The Vita will not be able to emulate windows x86.
The only thing that really impressed me hombrew wise on the PSP was the EXULT port. More stuff like that is always neat.
Literalage
Banned
Dreamkiller.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
You're going to last here long if you call all homebrew people pirates just because you "feel" it's not far from the truth. That's cute.
Well the price of Vita is set provided that vendor sell the software and part of the profit goes to Sony, to cover development cost of Vita hardware itself.
If this margin keeps getting bypassed by homebrew then Sony would eventually abandon console business.
If you want a piece of hardware that allows full access then buy devices allows you to do so, or build your own.
If this margin keeps getting bypassed by homebrew then Sony would eventually abandon console business.
If you want a piece of hardware that allows full access then buy devices allows you to do so, or build your own.
Okay, so there were two major handheld gaming devices last gen, and both of them were cracked wide open to homebrew/piracy. One of them was the biggest success handheld gaming has ever seen, and the other still saw success, but only in one region.
Maybe you guys should calm down with the panic, and think about what effect hacking a device actually has on the market before you flip out.
Maybe you guys should calm down with the panic, and think about what effect hacking a device actually has on the market before you flip out.
I'm not responsible for preserving Sony's business model. I'll do anything with the hardware I own that I damn well please. It's Sony's job to court my business, not the other way around.
Seriously. Whether or not they've designed the hardware to be profitable from day one is their concern. I don't know why some people swear they are doing us a favor by allowing us the ability to buy their products.