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[TaterTots]

As will all the pro-life democrats you want to fund in 2018

Does 1 issue really dictate which party you're aligned to? If I have one opposing opinion to the democratic party, does that make me a republican?

 

[Maiden Voyage]

Does 1 issue really dictate which party you're aligned to? If I have one opposing opinion to the democratic party, does that make me a republican?

Nowadays? Yes.

 

[PlayALLtheGames]

During the rally, Jim Justice said something along the lines of "at least now we have a chief of staff whose first name we can pronounce unlike under the last guy." The crowd erupted. Literally one of the biggest applauses of the night.

Yeah, I mean this was like Kim Davis switching from a registered Democrat to Republican.

White trash through and through.

 

[diablos991]

Does 1 issue really dictate which party you're aligned to? If I have one opposing opinion to the democratic party, does that make me a republican?

I think it makes you alt-right.

In reality it makes you and independent thinker who doesn't tow the party line.

 

[TaterTots]

I think it makes you alt-right.

In reality it makes you and independent thinker who doesn't tow the party line.

Alt-right is pretty extreme. Aren't most of them white nationalists? That's a stretch over a view of abortion.

 

[Henchmen21]

Shocking you would misunderstand so badly.

What misunderstanding? Centrist turns out to be former republican who then goes back to said party. Meanwhile, Centrists keep saying we have to vote for anyone with a D next to their name (while mocking Republicans for doing the same thing...talk about being hypocrites). Nothing Centrists have said since election has been even remotely correct.

 

[Peccavi]

Has Trump made his major announcement yet? How late is this rally going?

 

[Maiden Voyage]

Has Trump made his major announcement yet? How late is this rally going?

It's over.

Alt-right is pretty extreme. Aren't most of them white nationalists? That's a stretch over a view of abortion.

For expressing his view, Mr. Weinstein was confronted outside his classroom last week by a group of some 50 students insisting he was a racist. The video of that exchange — ”You're supporting white supremacy" is one of the more milquetoast quotes — must be seen to be believed. It will make anyone who believes in the liberalizing promise of higher education quickly lose heart.

-Source

Edit: I won't be snarky.

 

[Widdle Puppy]

I think it makes you alt-right.

In reality it makes you and independent thinker who doesn't tow the party line.

I think being independent isn't actually a thing in American politics since there are really only two parties which win the vast majority of offices. Independents are just closet democrats or republicans. They all end up leaning towards one and voting that way. Whether one likes it or not, it's not possible to avoid towing along a party line because there are only two choices to choose from. Of course there are a few outliers and there can be some minor variations depending on the type of election (ie federal vs state, local, etc) but the vast majority may identify as being independent but most end up voting along party lines during federal and state elections.

this would be different if American elections were held differently and districts weren't won entirely by a single person.

 

[Henchmen21]

I think being independent isn't actually a thing in American politics since there are really only two parties which win the vast majority of offices. Independents are just closet democrats or republicans. They all end up leaning towards one and voting that way. Of course there are a few outliers and there can be some minor variations depending on the type of election (ie federal vs state, local, etc) but the vast majority may identify as being independent but most end up voting along party lines during federal and state elections.

Wrong. Independents make up over 40% of the electorate. The only reason that that whole "closet Dem/Repub" nonsense is touted is because of FPTP. We are forced to vote for either party. Ask the majority of independents and they will tell you that if FPTP was ended right this instant that they would not vote for either Dems or Repubs.

 

[Nipo]

But yea didn't donate or support those fringe groups like democratic socialists of America right? Any vote not for the dnc supports the gop!

 

[KHarvey16]

What misunderstanding? Centrist turns out to be former republican who then goes back to said party. Meanwhile, Centrists keep saying we have to vote for anyone with a D next to their name (while mocking Republicans for doing the same thing...talk about being hypocrites). Nothing Centrists have said since election has been even remotely correct.

You asked a question and then were nice enough to answer it immediately. Nothing you're saying makes any sense or is accurate in the slightest. Hypocrites? Huh?

 

[Mahonay]

West Virginia, shocker. As in not at all.

Jumping onto a burning ship, bold move Cotton.

 

[akileese]

I think being independent isn't actually a thing in American politics since there are really only two parties which win the vast majority of offices. Independents are just closet democrats or republicans. They all end up leaning towards one and voting that way. Whether one likes it or not, it's not possible to avoid towing along a party line because there are only two choices to choose from. Of course there are a few outliers and there can be some minor variations depending on the type of election (ie federal vs state, local, etc) but the vast majority may identify as being independent but most end up voting along party lines during federal and state elections.

this would be different if American elections were held differently and districts weren't won entirely by a single person.

There are people who are fiscally conservative (as in they believe in a true free market and low taxes) and are socially liberal. I know a few people like that living in Texas which makes sense. They believe that the free market, if left to be will work, and that all people should have the same rights regardless of gender, race, religion. Those people I guess would qualify as either independent or libertarian I guess.

Now are they right on the free market part? Probably not. I believe if you have a true free market with little to no oversight, companies will just collude to fuck everyone over because, well, they've been doing it forever and the only time they stopped doing it was when competition was bountiful and they regulated and prevented from swallowing up all the minnows.

 

[Widdle Puppy]

Wrong. Independents make up over 40% of the electorate. The only reason that that whole "closet Dem/Repub" nonsense is touted is because of FPTP. We are forced to vote for either party. Ask the majority of independents and they will tell you that if FPTP was ended right this instant that they would not vote for either Dems or Repubs.

doesn't matter what they think or feel. this 40% doesn't actually exist in reality because it takes a plurality to win and the vast majority of that 40% will always flock to one side or the other. therefor they are closet dem or rep even if they say they aren't. this is not changing so the whole independent voter exists in theory if elections were held differently in the usa.

 

[TaterTots]

It's over.




-Source

Edit: I won't be snarky.

I know all about this and I find it ridiculous.

 

[Widdle Puppy]

There are people who are fiscally conservative (as in they believe in a true free market and low taxes) and are socially liberal. I know a few people like that living in Texas which makes sense. They believe that the free market, if left to be will work, and that all people should have the same rights regardless of gender, race, religion. Those people I guess would qualify as either independent or libertarian I guess.

Now are they right on the free market part? Probably not. I believe if you have a true free market with little to no oversight, companies will just collude to fuck everyone over because, well, they've been doing it forever and the only time they stopped doing it was when competition was bountiful and they regulated and prevented from swallowing up all the minnows.

So? Does their thoughts or feelings somehow form a unique party of their own which they can then vote for? Or do they vote democrat or republican when it's time to vote" It doesn't matter what their views are. What it boils down to is their vote and they only have two choices at the polls unless they're an oddball who votes 3rd party which makes up a very small percentage of votes.

 

[digita1alchemy]

Hopefully it goes down like this.

 

[TetraGenesis]

Ummmm. Wtf?

 

[kirblar]

During the rally, Jim Justice said something along the lines of "at least now we have a chief of staff whose first name we can pronounce unlike under the last guy." The crowd erupted. Literally one of the biggest applauses of the night.

"Economic" anxiety.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

I know all about this and I find it ridiculous.

This is reality now.

 

[AlexFlame116]

During the rally, Jim Justice said something along the lines of "at least now we have a chief of staff whose first name we can pronounce unlike under the last guy." The crowd erupted. Literally one of the biggest applauses of the night.

Something tells me this guy was never a Democrat at all.

 

[mcrommert]

Does 1 issue really dictate which party you're aligned to? If I have one opposing opinion to the democratic party, does that make me a republican?

When it comes to abortion

Yes

 

[mlclmtckr]

There are people who are fiscally conservative (as in they believe in a true free market and low taxes) and are socially liberal. I know a few people like that living in Texas which makes sense. They believe that the free market, if left to be will work, and that all people should have the same rights regardless of gender, race, religion. Those people I guess would qualify as either independent or libertarian I guess.

Now are they right on the free market part? Probably not. I believe if you have a true free market with little to no oversight, companies will just collude to fuck everyone over because, well, they've been doing it forever and the only time they stopped doing it was when competition was bountiful and they regulated and prevented from swallowing up all the minnows.

Indeed.

 

[Sou Da]

I think it makes you alt-right.

Do you ever get tired of virtue signaling?

Every other post of yours is just a roundabout masturbation session.

 

[Sobriquet]

Man I can't believe a fake Democrat is turning Republican

 

[CazTGG]

During the rally, Jim Justice said something along the lines of "at least now we have a chief of staff whose first name we can pronounce unlike under the last guy." The crowd erupted. Literally one of the biggest applauses of the night.

If you have a hard time pronouncing the name "Barack", you've got bigger issues than who the current president is.

That's saying a lot, I realize, but it's true.

 

[stressboy]

If you have a hard time pronouncing the name "Barack", you've got bigger issues than who the current president is.

That's saying a lot, I realize, but it's true.

I think he meant Reince.

 

[Maiden Voyage]

You're a Republican now, Tatertots.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Something tells me this guy was never a Democrat at all.

He has switched parties multiple times. In 2015, he was a Republican.

 

[Quixzlizx]

If you have a hard time pronouncing the name "Barack", you've got bigger issues than who the current president is.

That's saying a lot, I realize, but it's true.

I'm guessing you're not American?

The last chief of staff was named Reince, not Barack.

 

[Shauni]

If you have a hard time pronouncing the name "Barack", you've got bigger issues than who the current president is.

That's saying a lot, I realize, but it's true.

"Economic" anxiety.

Chief of staff, guys, not Commander-in-Chief lol

 

[Fox Mulder]

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[Slayven]

Racism is undefeated

 

[Peccavi]

If you have a hard time pronouncing the name "Barack", you've got bigger issues than who the current president is.

That's saying a lot, I realize, but it's true.

Barack was chief of state. He's referring to former Chief of Staff Reince Priebus, now replaced by Kelly.

 

[Cow Mengde]

Does 1 issue really dictate which party you're aligned to? If I have one opposing opinion to the democratic party, does that make me a republican?

Then tomorrow you'll ask does 2 issues really matter. Then the next day you'll ask if 3 issues. Then the day after that you'll ask if 4 issues really matter, and so on and so forth. Pretty soon, you're just voting a democrat in name and GOP in issues. The democrats keep pivoting to the right to earn votes.

 

[A.J.]

It sucks to be a democrat here. You literally can't win sometimes.

 

[Shauni]

Then tomorrow you'll ask does 2 issues really matter. Then the next day you'll ask if 3 issues. Then the day after that you'll ask if 4 issues really matter, and so on and so forth. Pretty soon, you're just voting a democrat in name and GOP in issues. The democrats keep pivoting to the right to earn votes.

Outside potentially running pro-life candidates where do you see this happening?

 

[KHarvey16]

Then tomorrow you'll ask does 2 issues really matter. Then the next day you'll ask if 3 issues. Then the day after that you'll ask if 4 issues really matter, and so on and so forth. Pretty soon, you're just voting a democrat in name and GOP in issues. The democrats keep pivoting to the right to earn votes.

Or you don't do any of that and demonstrate why this is an obvious logical fallacy.

 

[jay]

Something tells me this guy was never a Democrat at all.

Not that this guy isn't a piece of shit, but if you think a Democrat can't be a racist I have bad news for you.

 

[Cow Mengde]

Outside potentially running pro-life candidates where do you see this happening?

I'm just pointing out the slippery slop that we're on. The W Virginia governor was a "democrat". Did he get voted cause he was a democrat, or was it due to the issues that he supported?

 

[krackerjack]

Also, keep in mind that there were a ton of "Promises Made, Promises Kept" signs being proudly hoisted in the air at the arena tonight. As if there needed to be more proof, his supporters will believe anything he says and viciously attack anybody that disagrees with him. Shoot, the hype person, his daughter-in-law, spoke first about the same people saying he wouldn't win the election are the ones that are bringing up Russia because they see "jealous and don't know what else to do."

 

[shaowebb]

Rats jumping onto a sinking ship? Theres a first.

Probably because in this state if you're a democrat they'll synonymize you with the Hillary comments against coal and everyone knows that coal is like some kind of fanatical religion here in WV. You're either for it or you can get the fuck outta West Virginia.

 

[kamineko]

The dream of a coal future lives

Or, more accurately, cynical nihilists will continue to prey upon the desperation of poor people without access to adequate education or other resources

Alternately: "Let's cut entitlements for lazy people," says state that generally ranks top five in per capita entitlement spending

 

[lifeexpectancy]

What's the breaking point for that, though? Or is there even one?

Like, for instance, could a newly elected president theoretically just switch parties shortly after being sworn in, flipping on almost all their key positions, and just claim they "changed their mind on things" and still get to be president for the next four years?

You're delusional if you think otherwise.

This is why our two-party system is fucking retarded. People think they are voting 'party lines'... "I voted for a democract! He better stay a democract and maintain democrat ideals!".

No. You voted for a person. A human being. One who is free to change their mind on any and all issues. One who is free to change 'parties' if they choose. Granted in this particular instance he seems like a flip flopping sleeze ball, but that is beside the point.

Don't like it? Vote them out next election. But there is certainly no legal or electoral reason for a special election if an elected official changes their position on anything or everything. All it does is expose how silly party-line voting is in the first place.

When it comes to abortion

Yes

Lol no, no. There are pro-life democrats. Just because of that one issue they do not automatically become republican. Maybe in your narrow-minded view, but their choice is their own who they vote for, snd you dont get to dictate which party they affiliate with.

 

[Boney]

Hope any West Virginians here are backing Swearingen.

 

[Madame M]

Wow coal must cause brain damage or something, I thought it was just lungs

 

[Koomaster]

I'm sure the next time the winds shift and he flips to being a Democrat again the Democratic party will ignore this and support him again since he's a proven winner.

 

[Prophaniti]

As will all the pro-life democrats you want to fund in 2018

Stop.

 

[KHarvey16]

I'm sure the next time the winds shift and he flips to being a Democrat again the Democratic party will ignore this and support him again since he's a proven winner.

You think this based on what?