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Wage Slaves: What keeps you going in life?

BluRayHiDef

Banned
As a wage slave, a majority of the time that you're awake is devoted to your job, either directly or indirectly. When you're awake, you're most likely either getting ready for work, traveling to work, working, traveling home from work, and cleaning yourself up as a result of being at work (e.g. showering, putting away the clothes that you wore to work, cleaning the dishes from and with which you ate your lunch while at work, etc). Hence, you're left with very little time to yourself; at most, you probably have three hours to yourself before you have to go to sleep...in order to be well rested for your next shift at work. I imagine that leisure time is even more limited when you have children. Of course, there are the meager two days off from work that you're granted every week, but those fly by, as they're spent doing chores such as laundry, food shopping, mowing the lawn, etc. Hence, considering how little time you get to yourself as a wage slave, what keeps you going in life? Why wake up the next morning or evening just to repeat the same, monotonous routine that you've engaged in for years or perhaps even decades? What is there to look forward to? Also, in regard to having children, why do so considering that they're going to grow up just to become a wage slave like you?
 

Sybrix

Member
“Find a job you enjoy doing, and you will never have to work a day in your life"
Mark Twain.


I work in a job that i love, i studied at University to achieve the position i am in, i love that sense of achievement, bettering my self with education.

I like the sense to milestones such as owning a car, owning a house, having children etc.. these are life achievements and milestones to better one-self.
 

-Arcadia-

Banned
If you only have three hours of free time, you're probably doing it wrong, or have some crazy ambition.

I would imagine though, that most are simply glad that they don't have to spend their entire day toiling a field, collecting materials and hand making literally anything you need, or worse, hunting for their food at extreme peril and risk of not bringing anything home at all. Etc.

Modern society is pretty comfy. Maybe we can do better on work/life balance, and we've seen signs of that with Corona, but the quality of living is sky-high. Your distant ancestors would gladly take your likely cushioned, air conditioned office job that rewards currency able to buy any pre-made necessity or luxury imaginable, over half the shit they had to do.
 

BluRayHiDef

Banned
“Find a job you enjoy doing, and you will never have to work a day in your life"
Mark Twain.


I work in a job that i love, i studied at University to achieve the position i am in, i love that sense of achievement, bettering my self with education.

I like the sense to milestones such as owning a car, owning a house, having children etc.. these are life achievements and milestones to better one-self.

What's the point of owning a car or a house if they're unoccupied most of the time because you're at...work?
 

BluRayHiDef

Banned
If you only have three hours of free time, you're probably doing it wrong, or have some crazy ambition.

I would imagine though, that most are simply glad that they don't have to spend their entire day toiling a field, collecting materials and hand making literally anything you need, or worse, hunting for their food at extreme peril and risk of not bringing anything home at all. Etc.

Modern society is pretty comfy. Maybe we can do better on work/life balance, and we've seen signs of that with Corona, but the quality of living is sky-high. Your distant ancestors would gladly take your likely cushioned, air conditioned office job that rewards currency able to buy any pre-made necessity or luxury imaginable, over half the shit they had to do.
How much leisure time do you have per work day? It can't be much.

01. 8 hours per day are spent sleeping

02. 8 hours per work day are spent working

03. About 45 minutes per work day are spent traveling to work

04. About 45 minutes per work day are spent traveling home from work

05. About 45 minutes per work day are spent cooking, cleaning dishes, and taking out the trash

05. About 45 minutes per work day are spent preparing to leave for work
24 hours - 8 hours - 8 hours - 0.75 hours - 0.75 hours - 0.75 hours - 0.75 hours = 5 hours

Okay, I guess you were right. However, that's still not that much time.
 

DESTROYA

Member
If you only have three hours of free time, you're probably doing it wrong, or have some crazy ambition.

I would imagine though, that most are simply glad that they don't have to spend their entire day toiling a field, collecting materials and hand making literally anything you need, or worse, hunting for their food at extreme peril and risk of not bringing anything home at all. Etc.

Modern society is pretty comfy. Maybe we can do better on work/life balance, and we've seen signs of that with Corona, but the quality of living is sky-high. Your distant ancestors would gladly take your likely cushioned, air conditioned office job that rewards currency able to buy any pre-made necessity or luxury imaginable, over half the shit they had to do.
Exactly, learn to multitask.
Ive owned business working 12+ hour days and still have more than 3 hours of down time a day.
Working a regular 40 hour week you should easily have way more free time.
 

BluRayHiDef

Banned
Exactly, learn to multitask.
Ive owned business working 12+ hour days and still have more than 3 hours of down time a day.
Working a regular 40 hour week you should easily have way more free time.
Not if you're doing over time multiple times per week and have a one hour commute.
 

Manus

Member
How much leisure time do you have per work day? It can't be much.

01. 8 hours per day are spent sleeping

02. 8 hours per work day are spent working

03. About 45 minutes per work day are spent traveling to work

04. About 45 minutes per work day are spent traveling home from work

05. About 45 minutes per work day are spent cooking, cleaning dishes, and taking out the trash

05. About 45 minutes per work day are spent preparing to leave for work
24 hours - 8 hours - 8 hours - 0.75 hours - 0.75 hours - 0.75 hours - 0.75 hours = 5 hours

Okay, I guess you were right. However, that's still not that much time.

This is not everyone. I have a 10 minute commute. I'm up at 6:15 AM and out the door at 6:30 AM. I also only get around six hours of sleep.

Gives me plenty of time to enjoy my hobbies.
 

-Arcadia-

Banned
How much leisure time do you have per work day? It can't be much.

01. 8 hours per day are spent sleeping

02. 8 hours per work day are spent working

03. About 45 minutes per work day are spent traveling to work

04. About 45 minutes per work day are spent traveling home from work

05. About 45 minutes per work day are spent cooking, cleaning dishes, and taking out the trash

05. About 45 minutes per work day are spent preparing to leave for work
24 hours - 8 hours - 8 hours - 0.75 hours - 0.75 hours - 0.75 hours - 0.75 hours = 5 hours

Okay, I guess you were right. However, that's still not that much time.

The answer here is to probably not have a one hour commute either way, cook from scratch every single day, or let menial tasks go so unattended that they're huge time sinks, among others.

If you choose to spend your time inefficiently, an 8 hour job isn't responsible for that.

Is this the neet manifesto

Ding.
 
As a wage slave, a majority of the time that you're awake is devoted to your job, either directly or indirectly. When you're awake, you're most likely either getting ready for work, traveling to work, working, traveling home from work, and cleaning yourself up as a result of being at work (e.g. showering, putting away the clothes that you wore to work, cleaning the dishes from and with which you ate your lunch while at work, etc). Hence, you're left with very little time to yourself; at most, you probably have three hours to yourself before you have to go to sleep...in order to be well rested for your next shift at work. I imagine that leisure time is even more limited when you have children. Of course, there are the meager two days off from work that you're granted every week, but those fly by, as they're spent doing chores such as laundry, food shopping, mowing the lawn, etc. Hence, considering how little time you get to yourself as a wage slave, what keeps you going in life? Why wake up the next morning or evening just to repeat the same, monotonous routine that you've engaged in for years or perhaps even decades? What is there to look forward to? Also, in regard to having children, why do so considering that they're going to grow up just to become a wage slave like you?
Are you employed?
 

#Phonepunk#

Banned
life is pretty amazing. fwiw i just spend a week on a beach in Florida eating fresh shrimp drinking nice beer and swimming in a pool. the first day i got there, i watched a dolphin swim only 50 feet in front of me. the final day i watched the sunset from a dock and fish were jumping in the twilight. "what is there to look forward to?"? that is your question? lol um

"wage slave" is a drastic overstatement. it does a giant disservice to actual slavery. people who were whipped and beaten for trying to leave, who were denied the ability to educate themselves, who were tortured and murdered. even before slavery there was feudalism and villainage, where you lived on someone else's land and were forbidden from eating most types of food and if you were caught trying to work for someone else they would lock you up in the public stocks for several days (minimum sentence). also there are actual slaves right now, forced labor in 3rd world countries used to make Nike shoes, ethnic prisoners producing fashionable electrionic devices, etc. you could be one of those people. thankfully i'm in the USA and freedom and all that "nonsense" really means something.

comparing those actual slavery conditions to being a "wage slave" these days which involves going somewhere for less than 1/4th of your time and usually doing the same things you would be doing otherwise: transporting consumer goods from one location to another, doing computer based work, driving to/from locations, goofing off, listening to music, browsing the internet, etc. a full 40 hour workweek is still only 40/168, which is less than a fourth your time, to afford to meet all your physical needs as a modern adult human (food, shelter, wifi).

WORK of the past was actually work, physical manual labor, backbreaking WORK, with very little class mobility, and very little reward. nobody is breaking their backs blogging about Spider-Man or selling lattes. yes if you work retail, you have to endure some special stresses, but you could also argue that the (slighter higher) physical demands of the service industry only makes those types of jobs healthier than sitting in front of a screen for 8 hours. then you consider that perhaps the demands of a work lifestyle forces a sedentary society to get at least SOME exercise, possibly adding years to your life and improving mental/physical QOL.

we have it SOOOOO good today. people have no idea. this is because most people are ignorant of history. try reading about life just 100 years ago, when you were sent to work in a factory shortly after your 12th birthday. we didn't even have a "weekend".
How much leisure time do you have per work day? It can't be much.

01. 8 hours per day are spent sleeping

02. 8 hours per work day are spent working

03. About 45 minutes per work day are spent traveling to work

04. About 45 minutes per work day are spent traveling home from work

05. About 45 minutes per work day are spent cooking, cleaning dishes, and taking out the trash

05. About 45 minutes per work day are spent preparing to leave for work
24 hours - 8 hours - 8 hours - 0.75 hours - 0.75 hours - 0.75 hours - 0.75 hours = 5 hours

Okay, I guess you were right. However, that's still not that much time.
i dispute this calculation of "leisure time". first of all sleeping, travelling, eating, and basic maintenance are not quite "WORK". you can listen to whatever music you want while doing all of those things. you can clean your house naked while drinking beer if you want. you can sleep however little or much you want. you can eat whatever you want. as for 45 minutes to "prepare for work" which doesn't include the 45 minutes cooking, cleaning, eating, i don't know. outside of taking a shower (15 minutes) and putting on clothes (5 minutes) that seems a bit inflated. also you can watch youtube videos while you get dressed, converting that back into leisure time.

these things also do not rob you of leisure. is it not pleasurable to eat something you love? do you not PLAY in your DREAMS when you sleep? does sleep really "take away" from leisure time? what if you have a three day weekend, does that mean you stay away all weekend long to max it out? what if you ENJOY sleeping? hell, what if you ENJOY working? uh oh.

at any rate, if the basic necessities of life for an adult (not a child who is literally physically dependent on their parents) are too difficult to be met, that is some SERIOUS entitlement going on lol.
 
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Deleted member 1159

Unconfirmed Member
Tip: if you’re in the right salary job you get paid for “40 hours a week” no matter how many hours you work, and even though during deadline times or whatever I might have some 12 hour days, I can’t even remember the last time I’ve pulled more than 40 hours a week, outside of traveling for work. It’s been at least a couple years since I’ve hit 55+ because some projects stacked up
 
i think this is an enormous problem

im with andrew yang still in that people should receive some kind of basic income

there needs to be a shift in society that puts free time on high priority

it's unfair that only some people get to live lavishly

some people are born with great looks, they can jump straight into modelling and become millionaires, some people have a natural curiosity for the STEM feilds and so they become high salary engineers

there are some many people who simply don't have a skill or looks they can use to make money comfortably and i say fuck that

it such an ugly imbalance

so yeah less hours, enough pay, universal basic income, and more free time

the days on this earth should be enjoyed by everyone
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Let's see.

Normal weekday, so not including weekends when you spend an hour mowing the lawn and picking weeds once every 2-3 weeks, or washing the car in the driveway, or a bit of time doing laundry.

16.5 hours used up sleeping and work
- 9.5 hours used. Wake up at 8, get home by 5:30. Commute is short
- 7 hours sleep. Go to bed at 1 am

6.5 hours free to use up when I get home when I get home at 5:30 and go to bed at 1 am

1 hour used up for dinner and random stuff

- 0.50 hours. Making and eating dinner, dishes
- 0.25 hours. Take a few pisses, possibly a big evening dump, and maybe a shower when I get home if it's a humid summer day
- 0.25 hours. Random chores like garbage, tidying up, vacuuming etc.....

5.5 free hours for me on weekdays
 
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StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
Tip: if you’re in the right salary job you get paid for “40 hours a week” no matter how many hours you work, and even though during deadline times or whatever I might have some 12 hour days, I can’t even remember the last time I’ve pulled more than 40 hours a week, outside of traveling for work. It’s been at least a couple years since I’ve hit 55+ because some projects stacked up
Technically, everyone at the office is supposed to put in 8 hours total like 8-4 or 9-5, but everyone at my place takes a 1 hour lunch. So really 7 hours of work. And many people skip out a bit early. And on half day Fridays during the summer, they don't stick around to 6 pm Mon-Thurs to make up the hours leaving at 1:30 on Friday. Most people just bolt at 5 pm Mon-Thurs like normal including the execs and VPs.

So add it all up and I'd say the avg person at my work actually works somewhere between 6.5 and 7 hours per day when it all shakes out.

That doesn't include needing to work from home sometimes (which I'm going to do any minute now as I have some things to finish for tomorrow). Some of us work extra hours more than others, so if you factor that in bumping up the work time, it's probably 7 hours of actual work per office worker at my company.

If you're salary, people can ballpark the amount they make per hour by taking it and dividing by 2,000. Or an hourly estimating a yearly salary is xx/hr x 2,000. The 2,000 is supposed to be the number of hours worked. BUt that will depend on a person's job and how much vacation they get and if they work 5 or 6 days per week etc.... The 2,000 is a ballpark.

I just pulled out MS Excel and ballparked how much I make per hour in a more accurate way.

Overall compensation (salary + bonus + RRSP matching (I think you Yanks call it Roth 401k or something) + profit sharing) = $150,000 (as an example)

Amount of time worked

365 days
- 104 days weekends
- 20 days vacation
- 10 days federal holidays (I think it's about 10)
= 231 days of work

Amount of hours worked (excluding commute time)
231 days x 7 hours (if you exclude hour lunch) = 1,617 hours
231 days x 8 hours (if you include hour lunch) = 1,848 hours

$$$/hour
Excluding lunch hour
$150,000 / 1,617 hours = $92/hr

Including lunch
$150,000 / 1,848 hours = $81/hr
 
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SLoWMoTIoN

Unconfirmed Member
I'm abandoning this thread. I knew that there would be people who disagree with me, but I thought that there would also be a few people who actually agree with me.
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Hmmm yeah
 

MrS

Banned
How much leisure time do you have per work day? It can't be much.

01. 8 hours per day are spent sleeping

02. 8 hours per work day are spent working

03. About 45 minutes per work day are spent traveling to work

04. About 45 minutes per work day are spent traveling home from work

05. About 45 minutes per work day are spent cooking, cleaning dishes, and taking out the trash

05. About 45 minutes per work day are spent preparing to leave for work
24 hours - 8 hours - 8 hours - 0.75 hours - 0.75 hours - 0.75 hours - 0.75 hours = 5 hours

Okay, I guess you were right. However, that's still not that much time.
You don't have to stick steadfastly to these numbers. Sleep for 6 hours instead of 8 and give yourself an extra couple of hours per day of leisure time. Pretty soon your body will make the necessary adjustments.
 

nkarafo

Member
I agree with the OP. People spend much more time (for their work) than they think they do.

Plus, you aren't really free because you always have to make sure you show up to your work the next morning. You have that tight schedule that you have to follow every single day. Well, you are free to quit but that's not viable.

Also, 2 days off? I fucking wish.

I envy those who have enough money so they don't need the 9-5. I wish i was as smart or lucky as them.
 
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#Phonepunk#

Banned
Of course, there are the meager two days off from work that you're granted every week, but those fly by, as they're spent doing chores such as laundry, food shopping, mowing the lawn, etc.
these are not wage slavery. they are not even work. many people LIKE SHOPPING. there are tv channels and hit shows all about shopping. there is a game show that takes place in a grocery store. yeah laundry sucks but it takes like 10 minutes total to load/unload the washer/dryers. it doesn't really take long to throw your dirty underwear in a basket during the week. mowing the lawn, you can pay someone else to do that. you know, with the money you made at your job. yes you can buy extra leisure time because you have been working all week. imagine that, buying back time, doing an easier thing (working on a computer) to avoid a harder thing (mowing the lawn, growing food). almost like that is a reason to work.
Hence, considering how little time you get to yourself as a wage slave, what keeps you going in life? Why wake up the next morning or evening just to repeat the same, monotonous routine that you've engaged in for years or perhaps even decades?
i think you are just depressed. or at the very least engaging in a nihilism death spiral. STOP. GO DO SOMETHING FUN. COME BACK WHEN YOU LIGHTEN UP.
What is there to look forward to? Also, in regard to having children, why do so considering that they're going to grow up just to become a wage slave like you?
wait a minute, are you saying that you should SACRIFICE YOUR CHILDREN in order to "fight the man" or somesuch nonsense? oof. this entire thing has been you assuming that no meaning or pleasure can be gotten from "work" and all must be sacrificed in the name of "me time". at that point your addiction to consumerism and "leisure time" is actively making you pursue a death drive. i truly feel sorry for you if you see no use for children. you may be a true sociopath and not know it. when you are rejecting the basic biological urges of life, you might be overthinking things.

at any case, you have reached the end result of moral relativism, where life is pointless, unless you are hoarding "leisure time" for yourself in some selfish quest to, i dunno, play videogames and watch movies uninterrupted for 365 days of the year 80 years of your life.
 
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be born beautiful hop on instagram get a thousand companies use you as their advert monkey and make millions with a comment section full of praise for being born beautiful

meanwhile the lady at the supermarket makes minimum wage for bagging your shit and nobodys cheering for her

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Aesius

Member
I completely sympathize OP.

That said, everything changed for me when I started working from home. Been doing it 5+ years now and it's great. I can work 12 hours in a day and it doesn't bother me, but being at the office for even 8 hours was a huge drag.

Commuting and being "on" at the office (fake smiley happy mood all the time) and having to deal with coworkers and meetings and bullshit are terrible. It's so mentally taxing, even if the work is relatively easy. Working from home cuts out most of the bullshit and gives you time to get chores done while you're "on the clock."
 

StreetsofBeige

Gold Member
I completely sympathize OP.

That said, everything changed for me when I started working from home. Been doing it 5+ years now and it's great. I can work 12 hours in a day and it doesn't bother me, but being at the office for even 8 hours was a huge drag.

Commuting and being "on" at the office (fake smiley happy mood all the time) and having to deal with coworkers and meetings and bullshit are terrible. It's so mentally taxing, even if the work is relatively easy. Working from home cuts out most of the bullshit and gives you time to get chores done while you're "on the clock."
I like going to the office. I like interacting with people. And working at the office is always 2-3x faster downloading or uploading files vs. doing this remote VPN shit.

And I find most meetings in person are more valuable than a Skype conference call. I've noticed when everyone is doing Skype 100% now, most of the people are dead silent on the phone like they aren't even there. When you have in person meetings, people seem to interact more and you can't hide. And you cut out the BS like "technical difficulties" and the people who are always like "I can't see the presentation", "my laptop crashed, I got to reboot". I bet half the time it's BS.

Every once in a while, you can tell someone on conf call is fucking around because they forgot to go on mute and you can hear they are making food or playing with their kids. One person I swear sounded like she was vacuuming.

However, since working from home due to Covid I can finish my work within core hours or whenever I want and nobody is going to notice or care. They probably do the same. If I want to take a nap at 3 pm, I can. I'll finish what I need to do after dinner and nobody is going to care as long as it's done.

My commutes are short so I save time on that and gas but not a killer time waster. Commuting has it's perks as I can parlay it into stopping off and grabbing dinner or groceries or Costco on my way home. Now I have to make a special trip to go out and do that,
 
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Tesseract

Banned
independent game development, the military, alphabet agencies, speculative trading ...

there's almost nothing else out there for me, it's a do-or-die proposition while maintaining what's left of my portfolio

you sound like a spiraling nihilist, maybe take a break from the material world and meditate on your future
 

teezzy

Banned
Work makes your leisure time more valuable.

Believe me, unlimited free time gets old too, especially if you're in a period where you're in between jobs with little to no income.

I enjoy having tasks to do every day in order for an agreed upon salary. I give just enough effort to equate to what I make, and not an ounce more. That way I never feel overworked or undervalued.

A big change for me was getting a job where I could tell people what I did for a living and not feel embarrassed. It's not something I'm passionate about, but I am apparently skilled at it.

When the time comes, I'll move onto something better, but I wanna have at least another year or two with this gig on my resume.

Say, :"hello!" to Mr. Corporate Bad Guy - TeezzyD.
 

Apocryphon

Member
I'm abandoning this thread. I knew that there would be people who disagree with me, but I thought that there would also be a few people who actually agree with me.

Yes, take your ball home. It's not that you have a shitty and unhealthy outlook one life or that you didn't push yourself hard enough to secure a job that you would actually enjoy doing... it's the system thats faulty and you're the only person that can see it!
 
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I was an asleep wage slave for most of my life.

Then I became a contractor (here we call it sth like 'company without employees') doing mobile programming.
This really was a life upgrade, it makes you feel more in control of your destiny. Highly recommend it.

The power to deny work is awesome (especially in mobile, the demand for coders was very high).

Climbing the corporate ladder is... Idunno.. It's better to own the ladder.

Thinking of starting my own company in something else. Not sure in what, though...
 
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