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[RPGCrazied]

Somebody put Ja Rule McCain on the phone.

We all know his response. "This is troubling if true...", then continue to do nothing about it.

 

[Escape Goat]

It's time for everyone's favorite game show: Treasonous or Stupid?

Unless he was trying to harm American citizens or protect ISIS fighters it's not treason.

 

[Muffin1611]

Somebody put Ja Rule McCain on the phone.

He'll sound very disturbed, I assure you.

 

[Otnopolit]

Goddamn, guys. It does not let up. Category 5 hurricane that is just standing still.

 

[gutter_trash]

Lock him up

 

[Eusis]

Holy shit.

Even Kislyak was like, "are these fuckers serious?"

I'm starting to wonder if this is becoming a case of making rumors reality. Like... wow, that's a good idea, we SHOULD collaborate with Russia! When it'd be easier on them to just not initiate shit and leave it to paranoid fear mongering rather than barely veiled reality.

 

[iammeiam]

How stupid is Kushner? The mere proposal is something team Trump should have gone to lengths to involve as few people as possible.

So, yeah, I guess send Flynn if you already know he's a liability so you can just lump it in with other shit of his if it ever comes out.

You don't send Ivanka's frigging husband. He is there literally only because of a personal connection to the president. There's no way to write this thing off as anything other than Trump intentionally trying to hide shit.

 

[KernelPanic]

I imagine it will only get worse. So Flynn is talking I assume?

I think this is all from intercepted communications.

 

[TheMan]

wasn't this guy supposed to be the liberal, moderating force on Trump's bullshit?

guess not.

 

[The Technomancer]

THESE

STUPID

MOTHERFUCKERS

 

[platakul]

Besides being incredibly dumb I don't get why these guys couldn't wait until Jan 29 and then have normal ass meetings

 

[KINGofCRA5H]

LOCK

THEM

UP

 

[entremet]

How stupid is Kushner? The mere proposal is something team Trump should have gone to lengths to involve as few people as possible.

So, yeah, I guess send Flynn if you already know he's a liability so you can just lump it in with other shit of his if it ever comes out.

You don't send Ivanka's frigging husband. He is there literally only because of a personal connection to the president. There's no way to write this thing off as anything other than Trump intentionally trying to hide shit.

Pride comes before the fall....

Hubris will get you eventually.

 

[slit]

Isn't this old? I remember hearing this last week... Or was that speculation last week and this is now stating that it actually happened?

Yeah I remember hearing it too but I don't think it was specific to Kushner but maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Nekofrog]

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GOOD JOB REPUBLICANS

 

[Primus]

We're way way the hell beyond "light treason" now.

 

[Hazzuh]

wasn't this guy supposed to be the liberal, moderating force on Trump's bullshit?

guess not.

It seems fairly reasonable to think all the stories saying that were fed to the media by him or his supporters.

 

[Zolo]

Yeah I remember hearing it too but I don't think it was specific to Kushner but maybe I'm wrong.

This is what I was recalling:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...908a08-1648-11e7-ada0-1489b735b3a3_story.html

The United Arab Emirates arranged a secret meeting in January between Blackwater founder Erik Prince and a Russian close to President Vladi­mir Putin as part of an apparent effort to establish a back-channel line of communication between Moscow and President-elect Donald Trump, according to U.S., European and Arab officials.

 

[deadlast]

If someone was trying to setup a direct connection to the kremlin, why would you put him in charge of everything in the government..... wait a minute.

 

[KernelPanic]

Kislyak probably freaked out because Kushner made that request and the whole conversation may have been monitored by US intelligence and as it turns out yes it was.

 

[Nazgul_Hunter]

This is what happens when your manual to politicking is John Grisham novels. I bet they thought they were being super smart about it

 

[Funky Papa]

Isn't this old? I remember hearing this last week... Or was that speculation last week and this is now stating that it actually happened?

Some information was floated around a couple of weeks ago, but it only implicated Flynn. It looks like boy wonder Kushner is about to face some heat now. WaPo's article also provides a bit more detail.

 

[Boke1879]

Real talk. He needs to be arrested for this.

 

[Darryl M R]

It's okay not to follow after your father's footsteps.

 

[zethren]

Hey all you stupid, gullible, goddamn idiots! Do you see what you put in the White House? Are you paying attention?

No, of course you aren't. Everyone in this administration can go fuck themselves.

 

[royalan]

Besides being incredibly dumb I don't get why these guys couldn't wait until Jan 29 and then have normal ass meetings

Meetings tend to be documented and heavily scrutinized.

I mean, just look at all the attention Trump inviting the Russian ambassador to the WH generated two weeks ago (even before we learned that he blabbed crucial ally intelligence).

You don't want the communications to be public knowledge if you know you're up to no good.

 

[Primus]

This is what I was recalling:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...908a08-1648-11e7-ada0-1489b735b3a3_story.html

The timeline almost matches up, the Blackwater meeting was to be in January, while the one in OP was in early December. Could still end up being the same meeting in the end.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Unless he was trying to harm American citizens or protect ISIS fighters it's not treason.

That happened when he worked to get Trump elected. The rest of this shit is added flavor.

 

[Matrix XII]

At this point, I just want to see Trump and his family led away from the White House in chains and to never be seen again.

 

[Malvolio]

JaRED

 

[m3k]

It's time for everyone's favorite game show: Treasonous or Stupid?

i chuckled... lets default to treasonous

 

[Brandon F]

What the fuck is with that family and Russia

They're all completely incompetent and vain, making them easy targets for Russian influence through bribery and financial gain.

 

[Septimus Prime]

How stupid is Kushner? The mere proposal is something team Trump should have gone to lengths to involve as few people as possible.

So, yeah, I guess send Flynn if you already know he's a liability so you can just lump it in with other shit of his if it ever comes out.

You don't send Ivanka's frigging husband. He is there literally only because of a personal connection to the president. There's no way to write this thing off as anything other than Trump intentionally trying to hide shit.

Maybe the idea is that, while Flynn takes a dive for all sorts of other things, this will still run clandestinely.

 

[Mr. Wonderful]

I know these things take time, but do we have any sort of timeline on when action might be taken as a part of these investigations? The constant drip makes it feel like we're just normalizing corruption, regardless of what might happen in 2018.

 

[Lord Frieza]

This is what I was recalling:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...908a08-1648-11e7-ada0-1489b735b3a3_story.html

Yeah, no fucking way this is a coincidence, no fucking way.

 

[Beer Monkey]

Somebody put Ja Rule McCain on the phone.

Let's just do it and be legends, man.

 

[hitme]

Found their communication channel...

 

[BarringGaffner]

Kushner can't resign. He has more responsibility than any one person in our gov't!

 

[Arttemis]

Unless he was trying to harm American citizens or protect ISIS fighters it's not treason.

Collaborating and colluding with an adversarial state to manipulate and destroy the electoral process, as well as influence foreign affairs in their favor, and then strip away health care from dozens of millions of Americans sounds like an attempt to harm American citizens to me.

Realistically, this is absolutely a clear cut case of sedition.

 

[The Adder]

Unless he was trying to harm American citizens or protect ISIS fighters it's not treason.

America was attacked by Russia last year. If he was party to that and aided in it, it's treason.

 

[super-heated plasma]

God, I HATE Jack Kingston...

 

[iammeiam]

Holy shit, WaPo first learned about this in December but couldn't get corroboration until now:

The Post was first alerted in mid-December to the meeting by an anonymous letter, which said, among other things, that Kushner had talked to Kislyak about setting up the communications channel. This week, officials who reviewed the letter and spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive intelligence said the portion about the secret channel was consistent with their understanding of events.

For instance, according to those officials and the letter, Kushner conveyed to the Russians that he was aware that it would be politically sensitive to meet publicly, but it was necessary for the Trump team to be able to continue their communication with Russian government officials.

The second paragraph seems to indicate this set up the later meeting with Prince.

 

[Razorskin]

Nah no way


Ivanka wouldn't marry a traitor

 

[Ketch]

Guys. secret back channel comms with Russia is totally normal. Haven't any of you ever seen "The Sum of all Fears"?

 

[Geist-]

Jesus Fucking Christ. I don't even know what to say. I just....Jesus Fucking Christ.

 

[subrock]

This is like the literal definition of collusion

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Some information was floated around a couple of weeks ago, but it only implicated Flynn. It looks like boy wonder Kushner is about to face some heat now. WaPo's article also provides a bit more detail.

Ah, this was probably it. I remember it being roughly a week ago or so. It's literally depressing that there's so much info being dropped that it's actually difficult to keep things straight.

 

[Realyst]

Also worth noting that it broke a few months ago that Betsy DeVos's brother, who was the founder of Blackwater, was also trying to start a secret channel to the Kremlin, though I'm not sure what became of that since I don't recall much follow up. That very well could be related, he may have been doing this on behalf of, or in conjuncture, with Kushner. No way that's a coincidence

Yep, this is referenced in the piece.

 

[Bleepey]

At some point you have to wonder whether Russian agents were suspicious that the Trump team wasn't setting them up.

Of course, those fears are obviously unfounded.

It's like when the hot girl invites you around for sex in the opening message on tinder. It's probably a trap but what about the small chance it ain't.

 

[Kusagari]

Imagine the meltdowns we're going to witness from Trump if the walls start closing in on Kush.