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I agree with you. These billionaires are absolutely good at something in order to get Donald's attention to serve. And the Rust Belt that voted are going to get front row seats to what that something is.
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WaPo: Trump expected to tap billionaire investor Wilbur Ross for commerce secretary
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I agree with you. These billionaires are absolutely good at something in order to get Donald's attention to serve. And the Rust Belt that voted are going to get front row seats to what that something is.
Lightning_Roller
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Oh yeah, I forgot about that quote about people gladly taking money out of their pockets so that someone they don't like suffers too.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
The worst people
Trump has been great business to restructuring bankers for years. Restructuring bankers are frequently the ones that go on to become distressed investors too (Ross likely is an example).
Frontline covers in a recent episode Trump at his worst financially in the 90s. The banks and other debt investors had the opportunity to take all properties over from him. They found the buildings would be worth less without Trump's name on it. The banks wrested direct control of the properties from him but kept him on board as a sort of mascot. This is generally considered the point in time when Trump switched from property investor to brand manager.
You have Wall Street, the restructuring groups, and sorts like WL Ross to thank for the modern form of Trump.
Frontline covers in a recent episode Trump at his worst financially in the 90s. The banks and other debt investors had the opportunity to take all properties over from him. They found the buildings would be worth less without Trump's name on it. The banks wrested direct control of the properties from him but kept him on board as a sort of mascot. This is generally considered the point in time when Trump switched from property investor to brand manager.
You have Wall Street, the restructuring groups, and sorts like WL Ross to thank for the modern form of Trump.
ShinRPGamer
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Getting banned will do that.
Karsticles
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Trade agreements are protecting the corporations and not the American people working for them, or used to at least.
There's no going back, trying to do so would be to have slave wages but what needs to be done is to take specific precautions about how outsourcing is being met with, both for the sake of the ones doing the outsourced work and for the home country.
Money multiplies itself like bunnies. The fact that people can't even grasp such a simple concept that maintains the class system set in place is mind boggling.
oh man, it scary how real this is. Like i'm still in shock. To be quit honest i think we would have lost to republicans regardless of who won but damn this is like i woke up in another timeline.
Sidewinder
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Hahaha, wow!
It truly is the biggest, and most blatant, con in history. It would be impressive if the situation wasn't so dire.
His supporters ate up the 5 year ban on former officials lobbying for the private sector, but Trump didn't say anything about private sector becoming officials...
Psychoward
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Oh no Trump got called mean names
Yep, we're probably fucked. The only possible good thing that can come out of it is (in my opinion) that the country can see what happens when the capitalists get their way and let the billionaires run amok. then the democratic socialists won't have such a hard time getting their chance to show what they can do. hopefully the damage isn't so great that we can't recover.
I honestly don't think the people that voted for Trump can put 2 and 2 together. When everything goes to shit it will be Obama's legacy, not Trump's for them
sadly, you are probably right. i'm just trying to have some hope in this dark time. i live in arkansas,, so you can imagine what i deal with. i have taken on a new motto that i tell people and most just stare at me blankly:
if you are too stupid to know what fascism is, you are stupid enough to vote for it.
edit: and when i tell them i'm socialist (have been since high school, when i learned how it differed from capitalism, did i mention i grew up poor) they jump to communism and not ideal communism but the type that was in place under stalin. they always throw stalin in my face. i explain that that was actually a fascist dictatorship in disguise but they just poo poo it like i don't know what i'm talking about (i'm 42 and most i'm talking with are in their 60's or older). i just tell them to go look up stalin and trotsky and the differences between the two and how if trotsky had been able to seize power it would have been a different world (or at least i like to think so).
Captin Quacker
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Why is being called mean names suddenly justification for doing shitty things?Oh no Trump got called mean names
How the hell did these people survive high school
They come in, buy up shares of a targetable company, and then pump up the numbers by slashing all the backbone out of the company to make the numbers look good for a quarter or two, then sell the husk onwards and pocket the profit while destroying age old companies that were running just fine until they showed up.
They also often combine this by pumping debt from their own company to another target company (because they have enough shares) to get the debt off their books while destroying someone else's.
Thinking quarter to quarter is one of our huge problems, imo.
"king of bankruptcy"
The fuck
it's happening
Yep.
Get money's influence out of politics!*
*be directly ruled by the
SenjutsuSage
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It continues to be hilarious how this guy accused Hillary of every sort of corruption or pay to play under the sun, and here we have President Elect Donald Trump going out of his way to show America just how stupid we were in the first place to elect someone like him.
Jorok Goldblade
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If you keep adding new water to the swamp, eventually it will displace the old swamp water, guys!
Nope it's just the rise of US hedge money!
Lightning_Roller
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Fuck no! This is gonna get worse!! Much worse!!
Americans have been sold the same lie by the same capitalists for decades. It's perfectly summed up in this Bush 'Uniquely American' quote - somehow being overworked, underpaid and miserable is a positive.
Change will happen, but it'll take many years, even decades, and a lot more places being turned into Rust Belts thanks to the en masse arrival of robotics, AI and self-driving. Warnings don't work with these people - they refuse to believe the Old White Man doesn't give a shit about them. Once the notion of factories returning and humans driving trucks becomes laughable, there will be a tipping point. It won't be pretty getting there, and a lot of fundamental American values will be questioned, but it'll happen.
....incredible.
bob_arctor
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Your faux ignorance is insulting. That people here can respond only to point out the obvious is a testament to their patience. Your questions here are simpleton ones not asked in good faith. Unless you really are that naive, and if so, my condolences.
Whatever the final number, he put $50 million of his 'own' money into this scheme...he will make sure gets paid. The presidency is a marketing opportunity to Trump...that's all.
History tells us hegemony is not forever. Perhaps this is our time to pass on the baton. If China or the EU can get their act together and take up the mantle then US hegemony will indeed be over.
Angelus Errare
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If you keep adding new water to the swamp, eventually it will displace the old swamp water, guys!
Those people deserve what they get. You had to actively avoid seeing the issues and conflicts trump had before the election. If they believed a snake oil salesman, even after people pointed it out to them, they don't deserve sympathy. They made their bed, now it's time to sleep in it.
Ryzaki009
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Nah those are the only people who deserve the suffering that's about to happen. It's too bad they had to drag everyone else with them.
Earthstrike
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So how is the right wing like reddit or freerepublic acting? Eating it up?
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
It's ok Mily. You'll accept the reality of who you voted for soon. Shhhh... it's all becoming clear now.
Saint Gregory
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This is exactly what will happen, just as they blamed Bush's recession on Bill Clinton (somehow).
Ayato Kanzaki
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One of the billionaires is in favor of privatizing schools (which will increase the contamination of education by politically-driven agendas, and reduce quality of the service given while driving up costs, since there's never too much profit for those schools).
Another want to drop free trade deals and impose tariffs on imports, which will probably cause other countries to return the favor. Trade wars can get very ugly to a lot of companies.
It's not really encouraging.
Lightning_Roller
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Oh I agree. They wanted this, now they get it. But....
This is also true. Those ignorant schmucks are going to drag us under along with them. And by us, I mean the U.S. and the entire world.
WE'RE IN FOR A ROUGH FUCKING RIDE, LADIES AND GENTS. SO GET COMFY!!
EU hegemony will never happen, and China has no projection ability beyond the South China Sea. Like it or not the US will stay world hegemon for a while to come - as much as I'd love more EU influence on the world stage.
ClosingADoor
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The EU can't even manage its own shit at the moment, let alone project power elsewhere and take on a leading role. The only thing I actually want from the EU at the moment is a ton of strict climate change rules, so companies are forced to take it into account when producing their goods.
Pretty much. Two minutes of critical thinking would result in: this guy is an idiot and I shouldn't vote for him. I just feel bad for the rest of the world who now have to deal with the fallout.
There are a sizeable number of people who honestly believe that all you need to do to fix your country / economy is to put a bunch of rich business people in charge.
After all, if they're rich business people they must be the best and brightest society has to offer, right? It's a Just World, so the people who Work Hard tend to Get Ahead.
Trump's America is going to see if those people are right. I'm going to go ahead and lay against that bet.
After all, if they're rich business people they must be the best and brightest society has to offer, right? It's a Just World, so the people who Work Hard tend to Get Ahead.
Trump's America is going to see if those people are right. I'm going to go ahead and lay against that bet.
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