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[WolfTime]

Beyond the whole lame-ness of "power level" conversations in general, I really do not think a legionaire veteran of the long war stands up to a primarch with any real scrutiny. Reading the HH books puts that into perspective as even incredibly powerful warriors and xenos are put down by the primarchs before they even see the strike that hits them.

Fulgrim v. Avatar of Khaine.

Sanginius v. Blood Thirster

etc.

Also, one must not forget that having spent XXXX amount of years in the eye does not mean XXXX amount of years in realspace. Similarly, not all legionaires of the traitor legions are from the heresy times: they have been recruiting, implanting geneseed, or taking stock from traitor CSM chapters as well. The Iron Warriors book puts that into perspective. Also, not all legionaires from that time have ascended to demon hood or have been granted gifts.

yeah thats what i said...experience is important, but it doesn't lead to a massive upgrade at power


Primarchs are not even humans, there pretty much demigods ....they have a completely different genetic code from regular astartes if i remember right?

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

It depends on how much power is given to them by Chaos. The thing you must remember about Chaos Space Marines is that most of them came from a different time. Basically, a CSM has old equipment and strategies they got from the Great Crusade or the Horus Heresy but have that experience from fighting, but whether or not they use it is another question. An outdated model compares to the current Space Marines, which had better training and equipment. And when comparing that to a Primarch, it's a very one-sided for a basic CSM. People like Abaddon, Kharn, or Lucius could take on a Primarch, but that is up to debate.
The answer is no.

 

[WolfTime]

is there any lore of a regular astarte or human being able to match a Primarch in fair battle

the only one I can think of is Luther beating The Lion

 

[Maledict]

I'll say this, The Emperor is a massive hypocrite when it comes to psykers


"Be the most powerful psyker in the universe" but yet you have a problem with psykers in the space marine legions

I'm glad many of the primarchs went against his decree on this issue

The Emperor is a moron. Is there *anything* he has done that made sense and wasn't just the actions of an arrogant idiot? Be it the truly fucking stupid way he handled the primarchs (kidnapping Angron, etc etc), his moronic attitude towards pyschers, the entire "golden throne secret plan", *everything*.

Golden age of humanity my ass. The guy was a useless nincompoop.

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

I think there are mentions in the Horus Heresy that Sigismund could take on a Primarch.

 

[WolfTime]

I think there are mentions in the Horus Heresy that Sigismund could take on a Primarch.

i guess it depends on which one

He might be able to take on some of the weaker ones like Lorgar

although I assume Sanguinius, Angron, Russ would of wrecked him

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

The Emperor is a moron. Is there *anything* he has done that made sense and wasn't just the actions of an arrogant idiot? Be it the truly fucking stupid way he handled the primarchs (kidnapping Angron, etc etc), his moronic attitude towards pyschers, the entire "golden throne secret plan", *everything*.

Golden age of humanity my ass. The guy was a useless nincompoop.

You are talking about the Imperial Webway right?

 

[WolfTime]

Sorry for all these questions guys, im just in Warhammer 40k super hype mode since the reveal that Roboute is coming back

Times are really changing...are we about to experience End Times like Fantasy?

if not, the story is definitely developing and leading all to something

and it shows, i believe GW has been doing great recently, they been getting gaining profits because of the consistent good releases

seems like Games Workshop is back....Warhammer 40k is back

 

[Fou-Lu]

Sorry for all these questions guys, im just in Warhammer 40k super hype mode since the reveal that Roboute is coming back

Times are really changing...are we about to experience End Times like Fantasy?

if not, the story is definitely developing and leading all to something

and it shows, i believe GW has been doing great recently, they been getting gaining profits because of the consistent good releases

seems like Games Workshop is back....Warhammer 40k is back

I believe it has been stated that there will NOT be a reboot like after the End Times of Fantasy. This is all like End Times without the End.

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

I don't think this is the 40k End Times. It's more of changing to a different era of 40k.

 

[WolfTime]

I don't think this is the 40k End Times. It's more of changing to a different era of 40k.

maybe the next era is a reformed Imperium led by Roboute?


will they have to change the subtitle though like they did with "Fantasy" to "Age of Sigmar"

Warhammer: Age of Guilliman

 

[Fou-Lu]

My prediction would be more of an Imperial civil war. There's no way the High Lords of Terra would give the reigns over to Guilliman that easily.

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

maybe the next era is a reformed Imperium led by Roboute?


will they have to change the subtitle though like they did with "Fantasy" to "Age of Sigmar"

Warhammer: Age of Guilliman

Age of Ultramar. Gulliman is going to lose his goddamn mind when he sees the Imperium of Man.

 

[Haunted]

As someone who's almost exclusively into the Horus Heresy/Warhammer 30k lore, seeing one of the actual primarchs brought back to the "current" universe is pretty damn cool to see.

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

Don't forget about Magnus the Red.

 

[Maledict]

Don't forget about Magnus the Red.

Magnus never went though - like all the Daemon Primarchs, he spent a lot of time on his own daemon world but occasionally sallied forth to wage war on the Imperials. My mind cannot forget the truly awful Epic 40K figure they released for him... ;-)

 

[WolfTime]

Age of Ultramar. Gulliman is going to lose his goddamn mind when he sees the Imperium of Man.

He's going to flip when he finds out about the Eccleisarchy

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

I can see him blaming Lorgar for that.

 

[WolfTime]

I can see him blaming Lorgar for that.

I have a feeling this is that all of this is going to build up to


Cypher "killing" the Emperor, ushering in a new age

I think both Roboute and Cypher will work together, Roboute will try to fight the high lords of Terra and take over control as much as he can while Cypher tries to sneak in the Imperium Palace to do what is necessary

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

I can see Roboute doing that.

 

[WolfTime]

The scene is a bunch of custodes laying on the ground unconscious

you see Roboute with a bolter pistol aiming it at the Emperor's corpse


"Sorry my father" one tear in Roboute's eyes "BAM"

 

[Tacitus_]

He's going to flip when he finds out about the Eccleisarchy

He was around when it took hold. Though he might get angry about how deeply it has entwined itself with the Imperium.

 

[WolfTime]

uh oh so i heard there is a rumour going around that...

Spoiler

supposedly Abaddon dies in "Rise of the Primarch"

don't know if its true or not

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

For some reason, I do not buy that.

 

[WolfTime]

For some reason, I do not buy that.

I'm 50-50......i can see GW having Roboute kill Abaddon off to show off the power of a primarch, but yeah im on the fence

 

[Tacitus_]

uh oh so i heard there is a rumour going around that...

Spoiler

supposedly Abaddon dies in "Rise of the Primarch"

don't know if its true or not

Supposedly the rumour comes from a credible source. They predicted the 3rd book having a Primarch return. They're also saying that GW will release 8th ed with streamlined rules this year.

 

[SillyEskimo]

Supposedly the rumour comes from a credible source. They predicted the 3rd book having a Primarch return. They're also saying that GW will release 8th ed with streamlined rules this year.

Makes sense. It's been a couple of months the since GW released a new generic space Marine rulebook!

 

[WolfTime]

I wonder if 8th edition will be centered around Roubute's attempt to redefine the Imperium in a new era

 

[Nazo]

As someone who doesn't play the table-top I welcome a more streamlined rule set in 8th edition. I once heard someone talking about 7th ed rules and I thought my head was going to spin

 

[Maledict]

uh oh so i heard there is a rumour going around that...

Spoiler

supposedly Abaddon dies in "Rise of the Primarch"

don't know if its true or not

I hope so. Abaddon has never really worked for me as a character, ad I find the entire "true son of chaos who succeeds where Horus didn't" thing doesn't stick at all.

 

[WolfTime]

I hope so. Abaddon has never really worked for me as a character, ad I find the entire "true son of chaos who succeeds where Horus didn't" thing doesn't stick at all.

well couldn't one argue that Abaddon is doing what Horus failed to do

 

[Tacitus_]

well couldn't one argue that Abaddon is doing what Horus failed to do

Horus turned half of the Imperial war machine to his side (well the Word Bearers did the heavy lifting), crushed three Legions, took over Mars, laid siege to Terra and put the Emperor on life support.
Abaddons results are... lacking compared to that. But then again he doesn't have the resources or the advantage of an unthinkable betrayal on his side. We shall see what he accomplishes during this campaign as they made it so the other 12 Black Crusades were merely build up to the 13th.

 

[WolfTime]

Horus turned half of the Imperial war machine to his side (well the Word Bearers did the heavy lifting), crushed three Legions, took over Mars, laid siege to Terra and put the Emperor on life support.
Abaddons results are... lacking compared to that. But then again he doesn't have the resources or the advantage of an unthinkable betrayal on his side. We shall see what he accomplishes during this campaign as they made it so the other 12 Black Crusades were merely build up to the 13th.

thats a fair point Tacitus,

edit: ‘Gathering Storm: Rise of the Primarch', is the third book in the Gathering Storm series, concluding the story arcs that began in Fall of Cadia and Fracture of Biel-Tan. The heroes from both books – including Saint Celestine, Inquisitor Greyfax, Belisarius Cawl and the Ynnari – continue their quests, travelling through the Eldar webway to arrive in the Ultramar system. As you can probably tell from the title of the book, their arrival sparks one of the most miraculous, game-changing events in the history of Warhammer 40,000 – the resurrection of the Primarch Roboute Guilliman, who must then come to terms with what the Imperium has become in the 9,000 years he's been in stasis. Alongside the book comes a trio of brand-new miniatures, first among them Guilliman himself – marking the first time a loyalist Primarch has been made in plastic. It's a monumental event with massive repercussions, as you'll soon find out.
In the darkest hour...



I mean "one of"? this is probably The single biggest world-changing event in the history of 40k, since the game came out?

 

[Tacitus_]

I mean "one of"? this is probably The single biggest world-changing event in the history of 40k, since the game came out?

Well The Beast Arises just happened and it had stuff like 10m tall Ork warboss going HAM on the Imperium, Vulkan came back to fight it and seemingly died (again) AND it capped off with the Beheading where all of the High Lords died.

Then there's the Age of Apostasy, which ended in the Reign of Blood and the creation of Sisters of Battle. And the Nova Terra Interregnum, which split the Imperium for over a millennia.
And you know, the Great Crusade and the Horus Heresy. Those were pretty big events.

 

[WolfTime]

Well The Beast Arises just happened and it had stuff like 10m tall Ork warboss going HAM on the Imperium, Vulkan came back to fight it and seemingly died (again) AND it capped off with the Beheading where all of the High Lords died.

Then there's the Age of Apostasy, which ended in the Reign of Blood and the creation of Sisters of Battle. And the Nova Terra Interregnum, which split the Imperium for over a millennia.
And you know, the Great Crusade and the Horus Heresy. Those were pretty big events.

I thought Vulkan was a perpetual so he can never die?

 

[Tacitus_]

I thought Vulkan was a perpetual so he can never die?

That's why I said seemingly. He does some funky stuff which may or may not have messed with his perpetuality.

 

[shas'la]

thats a fair point Tacitus,

edit: ‘Gathering Storm: Rise of the Primarch’, is the third book in the Gathering Storm series, concluding the story arcs that began in Fall of Cadia and Fracture of Biel-Tan. The heroes from both books – including Saint Celestine, Inquisitor Greyfax, Belisarius Cawl and the Ynnari – continue their quests, travelling through the Eldar webway to arrive in the Ultramar system. As you can probably tell from the title of the book, their arrival sparks one of the most miraculous, game-changing events in the history of Warhammer 40,000 – the resurrection of the Primarch Roboute Guilliman, who must then come to terms with what the Imperium has become in the 9,000 years he’s been in stasis. Alongside the book comes a trio of brand-new miniatures, first among them Guilliman himself – marking the first time a loyalist Primarch has been made in plastic. It’s a monumental event with massive repercussions, as you’ll soon find out.
In the darkest hour…




I mean "one of"? this is probably The single biggest world-changing event in the history of 40k, since the game came out?

I love how everyone is glossing over that the Eldar have just spawned a new GOD and everyone has already moved on before the book is even out lol.

 

[WolfTime]

I love how everyone is glossing over that the Eldar have just spawned a new GOD and everyone has already moved on before the book is even out lol.

what I want to know

is it says that Roboute was brought back by Cawl and a Eldar sorcerer

why would the Eldar help in ressurecting a primarch?

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

what I want to know

is it says that Roboute was brought back by Cawl and a Eldar sorcerer

why would the Eldar help in ressurecting a primarch?

Cadia is gone. The only thing that is stopping a major invasion from Chaos is gone. I would assume that the Eldar is looking at anything and everything to stop Chaos at this point.

 

[GarthVaderUK]

what I want to know

is it says that Roboute was brought back by Cawl and a Eldar sorcerer

why would the Eldar help in ressurecting a primarch?

The Ynnari Eldar know they can't defeat Chaos on their own - in terms of finding a strong enough ally, humanity is their best hope.

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

It would be interesting to see what a new Eldar faction would look like after this event.

 

[WolfTime]

Actually I agree with shas'la that Ynnead being born is probably a bigger event than Roboute's return in terms of scale,

would you guys agree

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

Yes. It's a big deal for the 40k universe and the Eldar race. Roboute coming back is a big deal for the Imperium and the greater universe of 40k.

 

[WolfTime]

Yes. It's a big deal for the 40k universe and the Eldar race. Roboute coming back is a big deal for the Imperium and the greater universe of 40k.

has Ynnead fought Slaneesh yet?

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

Nope. Ynnead is in all of the Eldar ICs and is slowly growing. They explain it in the Death Masque.

 

[WolfTime]

I don't like this development of the Imperium working with the Eldar

it screams to much of "Mass Effecty-Star Trek utopia of races" type thing, just seems Non-40k

 

[ShadowSwordmaster]

Eldar and Imperium working together has been a thing for years now. They fight and help each other for one reason or another.

 

[GarthVaderUK]

Yeah, it's more an alliance of necessity rather than being best buddies.

As soon as the Chaos threat has been dealt with, the Imperials would return to exterminating the Xenos scum ;D

 

[WolfTime]

how should the meeting between Roboute and Calgar go?

 

[WolfTime]

Before I get ban, i want to say


may the WOLFTIME Forever live