Warhammer 40K - Dawn of War IV Announced

This was actually a pretty solid spiritual successor to Battle Isle

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There have been a lot of rumours about it, but I'm still skeptical.

I just can't see how 40K battles translate to Total War.
I also can't see how their shitty engine would be dealing with this. But to be honest, I hope they turn away from Warhammer (fantasy or 40k) for their next games. I want some new, big historical games. Give me Medieval III and Empire II.
 
I also can't see how their shitty engine would be dealing with this. But to be honest, I hope they turn away from Warhammer (fantasy or 40k) for their next games. I want some new, big historical games. Give me Medieval III and Empire II.

Next historical is also on its way.

According to rumors, at the 25th anniversary event in December, Creative Assembly will reveal at least two new TW games. One will be fantasy (rumors say 40k) and the other historical. I am pretty sure the historical game will be released first as well.

The fan base want Med 3 or Empire 2, but knowing CA it'll probably be TK2.

Personally, I think we'll get a remaster of Med 2 in 2026 for the 20th anniversary developed by Feral Interactive, who made the RTW remaster a few years ago.
WTF? Did this come out of nowhere or I've missed it before?

Great choice to have it go back to it's roots.

Hopefully they will do a good job like Relic did back in the day.

It's been rumored for a few years.

All they need to do is make a modern version of DoW1, which it looks like from the trailer.

This will be very hard to fuck up.
 
For the moment I'm cautiously optimist with this announcement. The RTS genre desperately needs a solid game that could bring in more fans and this could be a good opportunity.

About changing the developer, I think it's for the best. Relic is just not the same game studio anymore that was in the 2000s. They didn't just underdeliver with Dawn of War III and Company of Heroes 3 but how they handled the situation with the community was also very bad. I'm hoping that KING Art can't deliver something worse than Relic already did.
 
For the moment I'm cautiously optimist with this announcement. The RTS genre desperately needs a solid game that could bring in more fans and this could be a good opportunity.

About changing the developer, I think it's for the best. Relic is just not the same game studio anymore that was in the 2000s. They didn't just underdeliver with Dawn of War III and Company of Heroes 3 but how they handled the situation with the community was also very bad. I'm hoping that KING Art can't deliver something worse than Relic already did.

I don't know much about KING Art but do agree Relic hasn't really done much that has interested me in a good while. Hope this studio can deliver a proper return with this awesome series.
 
There have been a lot of rumours about it, but I'm still skeptical.

I just can't see how 40K battles translate to Total War.
My hope is that TW does Horus Heresy rather than 40k - the heresy time had legions rather than chapters and there's enough insane scale that would make a really good TW game.
 
Loks like story will be written by the Ahriman Novels guy. Heard those are quite good (Chaos isn't my thing). So optimistic for that as well.

ID6Chan writeup. Take it for what you want.
John French is a Black Library writer. He's not C.S. Goto or Gav Thorpe, but he's got a big problem: he has zero understanding of why fans of a given faction like said faction.

The worst offence is his treatment of the Iron Warriors, who he writes as complete retards who only win because they're lucky and have no self-control. Us Iron Warriors players like them because they're the most disciplined and pragmatic legion; the one that will do anything to win. John French doesn't realise that good characters have goals of their own. The Iron Warriors want to build their own empires after they're finished wrecking the Emprah's. But nobody told Johnny.

His Ahzek Ahriman book series is pretty good though, it's worth a read. Furthermore, he does a great job with the Imperial Fists, as The Crimson Fists and especially Praetorian of Dorn show. He completely nails their sense of duty and their stoicism, as well as their deep-seated fear that they aren't good enough. The Alpha Legion's contingencies and adaptability are also written believably instead of overdoing their mysteriousness. Ultimately, he portrays the bleak, "black and gray" morality that defines 40k while exploring elements of 40k frequently glossed over. 9/10 times, he writes an interesting story that focuses on right and wrong over smashing skulls, with very thought-provoking twists at times.
The irony is, of course, that he is perfectly capable of writing Iron Warriors; his portrayal of Ignis in his Ahriman series is exactly the kind of cold, detached, pattern-obsessed autism that you would expect to find from an Iron Warriors veteran. He even has an orange and black colour scheme echoing the Iron Warriors' own hazard stripes, and a loyal automaton of cold, hard iron and numbers. However, despite performing very little actual sorcery, French decided he had to be one of Ahriman's special little blue boys, whereas the Iron Warriors in Ahriman: Eternal are quoted as being "broken shells of base drives and cruelty" that only "deserve extinction."

In this he's kind of similar to ADB. Both are excellent writers but completely ruin certain factions. In John's case it's the Iron Warriors, in ADB's case it's the Emperor.
While Iron Warrior Fans hate French, it's because he has a different opinion of them and Perturabo that fits another side to them but backs it up with shitty logic and a very obvious bias against the IW. French paints them as a grim force that cares nothing for casualties, to the point where their Primarch would kill a tenth of his Legion just to teach it a lesson. His Peturabo is the Iron Tyrant, Space Stalin, all the bloodstained dictators of history but as a Primarch. Some non-IW fans argue that this interpretation is equally valid, or even Perturabo's "true" personality, but there's a clear line between being brutal and merciless in order to win and pissing away valuable resources to prove a point that's already been proven.

In Extermination, French writes that Perturabo decimated his Legion to make them willing to accept any number of casualties in order to win, after the Legion had just crippled itself as a military force because it was willing to accept any casualties. Yes, you read that right. He literally wasted a tenth of his available manpower to get the Iron Warriors to do the exact damn thing they were already doing. Their whole shtick may be not giving a shit about casualties, but French writes them as pointlessly wasting lives where other writers who have a better grasp of the Iron Warriors show them being evil and grimdark, but calculating and efficient rather than "Chenkov, but with Astartes instead of Guardsmen". That being said, however, it might be worth noting that he's also behind one of Perty's most Awesome victories on Deluge where he coldly, methodically cut the World Eaters down to size with artillery and killboxes to rob them of wanton slaughter and weaken Angron long enough to collect him for Horus's muster. So did he get better over time? Is it a broken clock being right twice a day? Is he just a victim of fan overreactions? YOU decide!

Has an often-overlooked knack for portraying the more surreal and ephemeral aspects of Chaos as a force and faction, as demonstrated in the phenomenal Slaves to Darkness (where Perturabo had the aforementioned big win against Angron). He also showcased a bit of this talent when brought on to write Solar War, the first book of the Siege of Terra (though the full product was overall somewhat middling, some legitimately fantastic prose sprinkled throughout aside).

He's also part of the (large) writing team of Warhammer 40K: Darktide.

And now he's contributing to Dawn of War IV. Remember people, no pre-orders!
 
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When?!?!?!?!

Honestly, I could see them doing a single Chaos only expansion that has four factions for each Chaos God. The four factions would obviously be:

World Eaters
Death Guard
Thousand Sons
Emperor's Children

Each one would have unique units (for example, Noise Marines and Keeper of Secrets for Emperor's Children)
 
Sounds like single player won't be treated as an afterthought. Pretty awesome. Never understood Blizzard chasing the 00.1% of players with StarCraft.
The sp on this series is good? Playing battletech now, but next can try something here. I was thinking of rogue trade next.
 
The sp on this series is good? Playing battletech now, but next can try something here. I was thinking of rogue trade next.
The single player in Dawn of War 1 is amazing. It's an RTS that makes you feel like a badass and has very cool characters. The Winter Assault expansion is also fun. Can't speak for the others. IIRC Soulstorm was more of a non-linear "adventure" mode where you work to take over territories.

Rogue Trader is great too.
 
Looks and sounds really good from the folks who played the pre alpha so far.

To give a short explanation, it isn't like DOW 3 and has the good stuff from DOW 1 and 2.

Army size cap is even higher than DOW 1.

I'm definitely going to turn off those annoying unit icons above every units head when I play.

Warboss Gorgutz is back! Hope he still has that spear he got from that powerful Greater Daemon in DOW 3.

My guess is the story is going to be Orks being the first tier enemies before the real threat comes just like every game from Space Marine to DOW 1 and DOW 2. The Necrons would be the main threat.

I want the first expansion to be Chaos Space Marines and Eldar.

Second expansion to be Tyranids and Imperial Guard.

Third and final expansion to include Chaos Daemon and Tau.
 
I also can't see how their shitty engine would be dealing with this. But to be honest, I hope they turn away from Warhammer (fantasy or 40k) for their next games. I want some new, big historical games. Give me Medieval III and Empire II.
Man, an expansive Empire II game would be amazing. But I would take a well done Medieval II as well.

On the topic of the thread, I haven't played the first games of the series as I am not a huge fan of just RTS, but this one looks pretty intersting. I wonder if they will have a demo or GamePass offering (to try out).
 
The amount of failed RTS in the last 10 or more years is insane. Things like storm gate, age of empires 4, and hell even Warcraft 3 remastered. The list goes on and on.

I don't want to get hyped after being so burned by storm gate in particular… but I can't not get hyped for this.

Please Jesus save us and deliver unto us just one good RTS both for single player campaign and fun online MP that will last for a few years.
 
It could also be that King Art had the best pitch for a DoW4? I'd imagine that maybe GW were looking for pitches and probably Relic also pitched something, and it wasn't as convincing as what King Art have shown? On the other hand, GW also greenlit shit like Fire Warrior...
Man, an expansive Empire II game would be amazing. But I would take a well done Medieval II as well.

On the topic of the thread, I haven't played the first games of the series as I am not a huge fan of just RTS, but this one looks pretty intersting. I wonder if they will have a demo or GamePass offering (to try out).
You could try out the first Dawn of War. If you end up liking it, chances are you will end up liking this as well. I've heard some interviews with the devs (in German) and they say that DoW1 was definitely the main inspiration.
 
I also can't see how their shitty engine would be dealing with this. But to be honest, I hope they turn away from Warhammer (fantasy or 40k) for their next games. I want some new, big historical games. Give me Medieval III and Empire II.
Yes PLEASE! Though I do kinda see how they could get the formula to work with 40k, I've seen enough mods doing fairly well changing up the combat of TW games previously.
 
I also can't see how their shitty engine would be dealing with this. But to be honest, I hope they turn away from Warhammer (fantasy or 40k) for their next games. I want some new, big historical games. Give me Medieval III and Empire II.
The same dude that leaked DoW4 and even the new studio, also leaked TWH40K.
It's coming for sure and I hope on a new engine or updated one.
 
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