WARNING: Drama Queens within!

Amir0x said:
But the fact is you perceive R4 to be a step back. I don't. If R4 is the one with RPG elements then it is definitely a step up imho. The "ride a rail" drifting is what you're talking about... but frankly there's no "complex" Ridge Racer. But it was a step up in terms of sense of speed, collision detection and of course the music was much better than those old games imho.
I'd agree with R4 definietly being an aesthetic step forward, it's easily the best looking/sounding 32bit RR. But track design, drift mechanics and overall challenge are a quantum leap backwards for the series, especially after Rage Racer. It's slower than Rave/Rage Racer too, generally slower than RR1/2/Revolution also (besides select cars you earn later on). Really, R4 is probably the worst game in the series.


Amir0x said:
But, hey, if you're the one enjoying RRDS or RR64 - which I'm not suggesting you are - then I'm hardly the one with shit taste here.
RR64/DS suck because they lost something in the translation. NST desperately needs some graphic designers. But the core game isn't really bad at all... which is more than can be said for R4.


Amir0x said:
That's why I constantly get into these trists with seismologist and evilromero. But the whole saying "subjectivity only goes so far" is crazy, because it goes as far as it needs to unless it must compensate facts. There are no facts in the world of gaming preferences.
It's faulty logic though, when the justification for your 'preference' against RR1/2/Rev/64/DS happens to also work against one of your favorite games even moreso (R4). You're essentially saying all perception is subjective here, which is one gigantic cop out.
 
Amirox' argument is such a piece of shit and here's why. R4 is MORE archaic than even the first RR which amirox claims is archaic. The gameplay/handling of the cars is total shit easy in R4 compared to Ridge Racer, Ridge Racer Evolution, and Rage Racer. The ONLY saving grace of the R4 is the awesome soundtrack. The "rpg" elements are a fucking joke, and simply do NOT belong in an arcade racer. Further, RRV has improved handling over ALL previous Ridge Racer games, but even then it's only a little, and going by what amirox considers "archaic", then RRV is absolutely archaic compared to modern racers.

I said ALL of this, in another thread about a week ago, and NOBODY said shit or replied to it. Only jarrod here has said similar things.

I just wanted to chime in here and say amirox is getting quite annoying trolling every ds thread, particularly RRDS threads. Man if you don't like the game, just stay out of the fucking thread-nobody cares. Btw, I haven't played the game, I figure I'll just wait for Ridge Racers. I personally love the series and don't think of it as "archaic" but if somebody is dumb enough to think the first couple of games are "archaic" then you need to wake up to the fact that the whole series is archaic, cause it is.
 
R4 just fucking owned. i could give a crap about your "reasons". =)

seriously, it just had some of the best atmosphere for any genre last generation, and was a blast from start to finish as far as i was concerned. whether it's technically or designwise the best game in the series is obviously up for debate, but it was simply addictive.
 
ferricide said:
R4 just fucking owned. i could give a crap about your "reasons". =)

seriously, it just had some of the best atmosphere for any genre last generation, and was a blast from start to finish as far as i was concerned. whether it's technically or designwise the best game in the series is obviously up for debate, but it was simply addictive.

And it was the final appearace of Reiko until Ridge Racers.
 
PanopticBlue said:
I said ALL of this, in another thread about a week ago, and NOBODY said shit or replied to it. Only jarrod here has said similar things.

Actually, I did write something regarding this. I guess you didn't check the thread.
 
I got this pictures from a thread at the gamespot forums. What's so bad looking about this game, as far as I can see, it looks good.

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of course, if you are going to blow out the pictures like IGN does, the game is not going to look that good.
 
ManaByte said:
R4 ruled becase it came with an upgraded 60fps Ridge Racer.
Hell yes, RR Hi-Spec was jaw dropping. Best extra ever, better than the game it came with actually. Amazing to see how far Namco came on PS1.

Actually, it also shows just how sad RRDS is, given that the DS hardware is capable of a bit more than PS1 actually. Really, we should've had a better translation than this... maybe Namco Japan will decide to grace DS with a RR themselves down the line.


ManaByte said:
And it was the final appearace of Reiko until Ridge Racers.
Nope, she was in RR64 too.
 
ferricide said:
R4 just fucking owned. i could give a crap about your "reasons". =)

Just in case you were talking to me.. I love R4. I said in my post I love the entire Ridge Racer series. It is one of my favorite game series of all time. I thought my point was pretty clear, in regards to judging the series by what amirox considers "archaic".
 
Sh0k said:
I got this pictures from a thread at the gamespot forums. What's so bad looking about this game, as far as I can see, it looks good.


It probably looks slightly worse in person. You can count the pixels on a lot of the textures. Also a lot of the trackside objects are obviously bitmaps instead of 3d objects. You can't really tell that from those photos. The framerate is good, but there's some seaming in the polygon models...

It's not god-awful, but "good" is an overstatement, really.
 
PanopticBlue said:
Amirox' argument is such a piece of shit and here's why. R4 is MORE archaic than even the first RR which amirox claims is archaic. The gameplay/handling of the cars is total shit easy in R4 compared to Ridge Racer, Ridge Racer Evolution, and Rage Racer. The ONLY saving grace of the R4 is the awesome soundtrack. The "rpg" elements are a fucking joke, and simply do NOT belong in an arcade racer. Further, RRV has improved handling over ALL previous Ridge Racer games, but even then it's only a little, and going by what amirox considers "archaic", then RRV is absolutely archaic compared to modern racers.

Man, you sure don't like to read. First of all, and I state this clearly once again, I am not a fan of any Ridge Racer game. I got close once, but none of them have ever deserved a spot on my "Top Ten Racers" list. Similarly, it does not matter whether you think R4 is "more archaic" than the first RR. In my opinion it's not. At all. You show your true colors when you say "RPG elements don't belong in arcade racers." That's nice and all but that's preferential. I strongly believe a solid racer can do with an added level of depth, with which R4 was a good start.

So, the problem here is that we have different viewpoints on which game in the series is a step forward. You believe that R4 was a step back, I believe R4 was a step forward. And I haven't even discussed RRV extensively so it's best not to make assumptions about what I do and do not like.

PanopticBlue said:
I said ALL of this, in another thread about a week ago, and NOBODY said shit or replied to it. Only jarrod here has said similar things.

Do...Do you want a cookie?

PanopticBlue said:
I just wanted to chime in here and say amirox is getting quite annoying trolling every ds thread, particularly RRDS threads. Man if you don't like the game, just stay out of the fucking thread-nobody cares. Btw, I haven't played the game, I figure I'll just wait for Ridge Racers. I personally love the series and don't think of it as "archaic" but if somebody is dumb enough to think the first couple of games are "archaic" then you need to wake up to the fact that the whole series is archaic, cause it is.

I, uh, don't troll any DS threads. In the threads seismologist and evilromero made about RRDS... I have made myself vocal about RRDS only. But, if you actually followed my posting pattern... then you know your accusation rings false. I made the official Nintendo DS thread because I like NDS. I argued with Drinky before because I don't feel the NDS is a worthless gimmick. I debated with someone before over thinking Super Mario 64 DS looked "wretched." I mean, we can go on and on. I don't troll RRDS. I express my distaste with shitty games across ANY system. RRDS happens to be the one of choice at the moment because seismologist and evilromero have made a hundred threads about it. It's best to counter act such blind love with some truth telling.

And, like jarrod said... even if you don't subscribe to my personal feelings on RRDS... those games are still missing something. And that something is big enough to make the vast majority of people dislike it. Not that popularity makes something better/worse, but it does prove that I'm hardly the only one feeling this way.

To address your final comment I'll repeat what I said earlier in this thread... but which you obviously missed: No Ridge Racer game is in my top racing games list. I don't hold any in particularly high regard. In two occassions (which we have discussed) I have found them to be fun diversions, but still nothing to write home to mom about. And that's as far as my enthusiasm goes for it. But my distaste for the RR series reaches its profound height at R: Revolution and RR64/DS. And so here we are. Clear enough for you?
 
Unison said:
It probably looks slightly worse in person. You can count the pixels on a lot of the textures. Also a lot of the trackside objects are obviously bitmaps instead of 3d objects. You can't really tell that from those photos. The framerate is good, but there's some seaming in the polygon models...

It's not god-awful, but "good" is an overstatement, really.

It's not "bad." I personally feel that DS has the potential to do much better visually, but it's definitely not bad. It's probably more in the middle. But Asphalt GT looks a little better imho.
 
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