Washington Post: Secret meeting held to establish Trump-Putin back channel
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My guess is that they want to be absolutely positive about what is going down and are checking facts.
lol, russian trolls are awesome.
ugaboga232
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CNN is running with it now.
I guess I just had to say it!
Looks like it's just about the explosion in Russia?
Would it fuck them over, though?
Key Repubs spoke out against Trump in the run up to the vote, and they can shrug and say, "Hey you elected him."
It would also allow Repubs to further distance themselves from the alt-right and its extremist ilk, while getting back to campaigning on traditional party values.
Reset button.
Chess, not checkers.
ugaboga232
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Its the upcoming section now on Don Lemon's show.
Nice
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A bit of reasonable skepticism is more than warranted. And the initial flood of "lol you're going down Donnie" posts from the first page of any Russia thread are probably a bit overexcited.
But far more annoying are the unreasonably dismissive posts: "nothing will come of this" or "his base won't care". That's not reasonable skepticism, especially not with the investigation still this active.
We're sort of in a mid-point with this Russia investigation. We're far too early to say this will certainly be the end of Donald Trump's presidency, but the story has developed too far for anyone to adamantly insist it won't end in some consequences for his administration.
DiscoJer
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It's actually somewhat funny. On Fox News and various right wing sites, the story of the day is Susan Rice and their fantasizing over Obama/Clinton somehow going to jail for spying (which changes from day to day from wiretapping to now unmasking) on Trump and his cronies.
You have half the country thinking the leadership of other half is going to jail or somesuch, when in reality, no one will
Equating those two narratives is pure ignorance.
if a heli-carrier crashes into that orange puffball and splatters him, I'm all for that ending.
Seriously though nothing about this is taking a long time. It's moving incredibly fast for an investigation of this magnitude. Usually there are rumors an investigation is happening and then 18 months later indictments are unsealed and everyone is raided. The speed of this and the feedback we're getting is unprecedented.
Trump could
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
It really hasn't been that long. They haven't been investigating for a full year yet.
Hoho for breakfast
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This shit is like those YouTube conspiracy videos that you'd be called a nut job for talking about.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
I am too honestly I think it is because Trump fucked with the Intelligence Communities so much.
I do worry that the volume of shit is sort of normalising scandals that would normally kill off politicans. For instance I had forgotten about Sessions lying during his confirmation hearing and having to recuse himself.
Cannot be said enough.
Yeah, only it's real this time.
Prof. Bathtub
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The issue is that due to Chaffetz and Nunes, we're all locked into the FBI & co's timetable for learning all the details. Plus, when the bits of information release often depend on countering Trump's occasional bid for a good news cycle. As we've seen with Buzzfeed's Steele drop, neither the FBI nor many news organizations immediately share what may be vital details. (Not that Buzzfeed is above the occasional "cool it with the Russia" article.)
Now, I'm not on board with the mentality of "let's stop, we don't want the FBI to [somehow] seize unlimited power if they're the ones to prove he's guilty", but this kind of controlled rate of development is anxiety-provoking when any day an unexpected crisis could lead to more war or Katrina-level response from the empty federal government.
Now, I'm not on board with the mentality of "let's stop, we don't want the FBI to [somehow] seize unlimited power if they're the ones to prove he's guilty", but this kind of controlled rate of development is anxiety-provoking when any day an unexpected crisis could lead to more war or Katrina-level response from the empty federal government.
No it isn't because WSJ, WP, NYT, and even fucking Fox News are reporting some of this shit.
It's all in the letter left in the Oval Office desk, obama had the last troll. "Don't get used to this chair."
I like to think Obama told Trump about the investigation and how short lived his presidency will be.
/fanfic
Is it?
Bruce Springsteen
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Worth noting that it took 2 years after Watergate for Nixon to resign.
smokeandmirrors
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Seeing all the leaks has made me really worry about the end game here. How does everyone react. How deep does it actually go. What happens after.
shadowsdarknes
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I involuntarily read this with a Russian accent :/
Uhhh, the widely considered closest person to trump and nat sec advisor isn't a little person.
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Saying "I hope this doesn't lead to nothing" isn't the same as declaratively stating "this will lead to nothing"
Okay, but it isn't nothing, so let's not pretend it is.
The media is doing its job finally. The Democrats are sort of trying. If it fizzles out then it will be because of a single party which already threw the economy, race and gender under a bus. Why not everything else?
Anyway it won't fizzle out. Too many fuses lit.
And it was fucking over his inner circle that really blew it up. Hopefully trump makes the same error.
NullPointer
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Really curious why they thought they'd need a back channel to communicate with the Russian government, usually that's reserved for countries with which the US has no diplomatic relations like North Korea or Iran.
I'm guessing there's more to this story and the people involved than was revealed today.
I'm guessing there's more to this story and the people involved than was revealed today.
I'm super late with this but I think I love you.
Beer Monkey
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You need a back channel when you're selling your country out.
Yeah, it's definitely not going away anytime soon.
Like you said, the media's reporting on it, with new details coming out almost daily. Despite the Trump administration's efforts to change the subject with things like the Obama wiretapping claims, the reporters haven't lost their focus on the Russia story (or have at least not shifted too much away from it).
Plus the Senate Intelligence Committee are holding their hearings, and the FBI have been investigating since July.
I get people not wanting to get their hopes up for this shitty administration to end before the first or *shivers* possibly second term, but to say "nothing will come of this" isn't being skeptical, it's being outright dismissive.
BlastProcessing
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A backchannel is useful when you need to talk out of both sides of your mouth.
Which certainly would be convenient to keep relations tight with Russia, while the State Department spokesman Mark Toner criticized Russia's crackdown on protesters last week:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/sasse-russia-protests-trump-putin-236524
And while UN ambassador Nikki Haley condemns Russia as well, while saying that Trump isn't holding her back: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/nikki-haley-trump-russia-united-nations-236781
He gets to look tough on Russia, while staying cozy with them.
Assuming they are anywhere near that competent to orchestrate​ something like this, of course.
Edit: Then again, after the St. Petersburg subway bombing and Trump's response to it, that other stuff I mentioned might be moot at this point.
Was it really not covered yesterday?
The Jackdog
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not really
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