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[DavidGzz]

the problem coming their server or not, DRM should not be implemented for offline games, period.
Thats the point i want to make here....

For that to happen they have to make it to where you can only download a game on one console at a time or else you could sell your account to multiple people and they can just stay offline to play all the games in your library indefinitely.

 

[Hendrick's]

Not sure what you are trying to point out here, but it's not always online DRM. It's a one time check for disk based games. I don't own physical games and can't really speak to that.

 

[RoboFu]

Who is actually going to defend this? Genuinely curious.

Kids play video games way too much in general. MS is just trying to help set priorities for children while it turns to spring. It's heroic of them really.

 

[TBiddy]

From what I can tell, the issue seems to have mainly hit two types of people:

1. Those who have multiple consoles in their household and use the same account on them
2. Those who share games with a friend using the home console work around in order to play games for free

As for no. 1, that's definitely a problem that Microsoft should fix somehow. Maybe allow users to add consoles as "household consoles" and forcing them to signin using the same IP address (sorta like Spotify does it) the first time.

As for no. 2... well. You're violating the ToS. Stop whining that it doesn't work for a short while.

 

[Three]

From what I can tell, the issue seems to have mainly hit two types of people:

1. Those who have multiple consoles in their household and use the same account on them
2. Those who share games with a friend using the home console work around in order to play games for free

As for no. 1, that's definitely a problem that Microsoft should fix somehow. Maybe allow users to add consoles as "household consoles" and forcing them to signin using the same IP address (sorta like Spotify does it) the first time.

As for no. 2... well. You're violating the ToS. Stop whining that it doesn't work for a short while.

Please stop with this blame shifting. I've seen a lot of xbox fans trying to blame those affected.
Those who bought games could not play on their single primary console because authentication was down and they couldn't launch their games. The other issue is that once authentication fails due to server issues your old games wouldn't work either even if you go offline because it would wait for that to pass again and not care.

As for your IP idea. The home console idea is fine. I don't blame them for using it because VPNs exist so you can't really rely on an IP to say the consoles are in the same house.

 

[Fake]

DRM need to die.

Who is actually going to defend this? Genuinely curious.

Xbox fanboys as usual.

 

[I Master l]

My console is set to home console i should be able to play gamepass games offline for a month but in
reality when i close my internet connection i cannot play the some gamepass games especially the
first party stuff, This is unacceptable

 

[Fake]

And this is why i'll always prefer physical games.

People reported that even physical media are not working in this DRM outrage.

For me physical > digital, but putting physical over a DRM layer is beyond madness.

 

[Saber]

DRM is one of most stupid and cancerous things, regardless of the console.

But its weird that when the other thread about this was made, people make it look like its not a big deal saying "just put on home console"(even though people put this and still couldn't acess their games) or spamming "fake concern".

 

[The Eradicator]

Who is actually going to defend this? Genuinely curious.

Did you read the last thread about this? Definitely people defending MS on this one. You know, it's those "whiny customers" fault for wanting their games to work.

 

[The Eradicator]

I was able to play every last one of my games, so I'm not sure what problems people were having. Yes I tried numerous different games when I heard people having issues, even games I had never played before like Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order.

Let's repeat this slowly: Not all problems affect all players.

 

[TBiddy]

Please stop with this blame shifting. I've seen a lot of xbox fans trying to blame those affected.
Those who bought games could not play on their single primary console because authentication was down and they couldn't launch their games. The other issue is that once authentication fails due to server issues your old games wouldn't work either even if you go offline because it would wait for that to pass again and not care.

As for your IP idea. The home console idea is fine. I don't blame them for using it because VPNs exist so you can't really rely on an IP to say the consoles are in the same house.

If you're sharing games with a friend in order to avoid paying for them, you're not entitled to whine about the games not working.

You're misunderstanding, by the way, about the home setup. It's only during the first setup, that the consoles will need to share the same IP (or location, or whatever). Will it stop all the ToS-violating game-sharing? Probably not. But it would certainly hinder a lot of it, and it would allow the consoles in your house to keep working in circumstances such as these.

 

[Three]

If you're sharing games with a friend in order to avoid paying for them, you're not entitled to whine about the games not working.

You're misunderstanding, by the way, about the home setup. It's only during the first setup, that the consoles will need to share the same IP (or location, or whatever). Will it stop all the ToS-violating game-sharing? Probably not. But it would certainly hinder a lot of it, and it would allow the consoles in your house to keep working in circumstances such as these.

But that's not the only people having an issue clearly. You're blame shifting. People who bought games and use a single console were affected because authentication was failing and then setting it as offline later would not help once it had already failed.

My point about the IP thing is that MS have a good system with the current home console thing. That's not the issue. Having multiple/infinite home consoles based on IP would actually proliferate game sharing because VPNs exist. Doing it your way means 1 account could share with multiple/infinite consoles which aren't in the same house. The PS3 had a better system where you could register 6 consoles and play offline but they got rid of that because of game sharing too. Now both xbox and PS have a 1 home console policy.

What MS need to fix are the stupid checks on booting up a purchased game even when on disc and the other thing that needs patching is if connection fails don't mark games as unlicensed requiring a connection. If they fix that things would be better.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Not sure what you are trying to point out here, but it's not always online DRM. It's a one time check for disk based games. I don't own physical games and can't really speak to that.

The point is. I buy a disc, can I play the game on the disc? The answer in most case is "it depends on the online DRM service".

 

[TBiddy]

But that's not the only people having an issue clearly. You're blame shifting. People who bought games and use a single console were affected because authentication was failing and then setting it as offline later would not help once it had already failed.

I'm not blame shifting. Read my posts again. Here, I'll quote it for you: "From what I can tell, the issue seems to have mainly hit two types of people:". I'm not even mentioning the people you're ranting about.

Having multiple/infinite home consoles based on IP would actually proliferate game sharing because VPNs exist. Doing it your way means 1 account could share with multiple/infinite consoles which aren't in the same house.

Again, you're not reading what I'm writing. Is it deliberate on your part? I'm literally writing that it won't put an end to those who really want to violate the ToS, but it will rather easily help those with multiple consoles at home who were affected by this issue.

The point is. I buy a disc, can I play the game on the disc? The answer in most case is "it depends on the online DRM service".

And that is a problem. Physical games should be playable out of the box.

 

[Three]

Again, you're not reading what I'm writing. Is it deliberate on your part? I'm literally writing that it won't put an end to those who really want to violate the ToS, but it will rather easily help those with multiple consoles at home who were affected by this issue.

Not sure why you're insisting I'm not reading what you're saying. You say it mainly affects them. Then we have this
Quote from your post:

Will it stop all the ToS-violating game-sharing? Probably not. But it would certainly hinder a lot of it,

I'm saying not only would it not hinder it but it would help it. All they would need is a VPN capable router.

 

[ManaByte]

They updated the story today:

Update May 11, 2022: I have received some clarification that some games receive the license at the point of installation, while other games, owing to backward compatibility and other developmental nuances, may need at least one launch to initialize the license provision.

 

[TBiddy]

Not sure why you're insisting I'm not reading what you're saying. You say it mainly affects them.

Because you're keep claiming that I'm "blame shifting" for some reason. It's quite annoying to be honest. If you want to fight a war for some reason, go find someone who wants to do that.

Let me spell it out for you, one more time;

I'm talking about those with multiple consoles at home and those who share games with their friends. It's literally in the first post I wrote, which you responded to.
You're then accusing me of "blame shifting", because people with a single console at home had issues as well. I haven't mentioned them at any point, so why do you keep circling back to them? Are you deliberately moving the focus to somewhere else?

I'm saying not only would it not hinder it but it would help it. All they would need is a VPN capable router.

And a willingness to violate the ToS. And knowledge of someone who would allow them to connect to their network to set it up. And knowledge of how to connect their Xbox to said VPN. Plus, Microsoft could just implement a maximum of 5 units or whatever.

 

[ParaSeoul]

Kids play video games way too much in general. MS is just trying to help set priorities for children while it turns to spring. It's heroic of them really.

 

[AJUMP23]

Take the people that voted yes and throw them into the sea.

 

[Flutta]

Xbox fanboys as usual.

Corpo worshipers are the worst.

 

[NEbeast]

Absolutely. Internet is comparable to electricity, everyone has it basically all the time. That's why 99.9% of people don't care.

You wouldn't have that energy if this was about Sony.

 

[DeepEnigma]

This thread is full on wall of shame material.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

You wouldn't have that energy if this was about Sony.

I don't care about a monthly DRM check, no matter who does it. Steam does it too and I don't give a shit.

 

[DarkMage619]

The point is. I buy a disc, can I play the game on the disc? The answer in most case is "it depends on the online DRM service".

How does this work with Smart Delivery where the updated game needs to be downloaded? Are most disc games on Xbox nonfunctional unless you have internet? Is that due entirely to DRM? Is there an expectation that if I attempt to run an original Xbox disc game on an XSX that that would install and run offline?

 

[DeepEnigma]

How does this work with Smart Delivery where the updated game needs to be downloaded? Are most disc games on Xbox nonfunctional unless you have internet? Is that due entirely to DRM? Is there an expectation that if I attempt to run an original Xbox disc game on an XSX that that would install and run offline?

 

[CatLady]

I cannot relate as I was able to game and download all weekend, but I understand the system is flawed.

Hopefully this outage and backlash is a wake up call for MS to improve it, especially if they're planning to introduce a streaming puck into the equation soon.

Same for me and I think one of the games I was playing was like GT7 where it required online even on single player, but it still worked for me so I think the outage may have been localized or I was just extremely lucky.

That said, Xbox really needs to work on this situation. Other than multiplayer games, people need to be able to play the games they own offline, especially when XBLG has an outage.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Same for me and I think one of the games I was playing was like GT7 where it required online even on single player, but it still worked for me so I think the outage may have been localized or I was just extremely lucky.

 

[Hendrick's]

From what I can tell, the issue seems to have mainly hit two types of people:

1. Those who have multiple consoles in their household and use the same account on them
2. Those who share games with a friend using the home console work around in order to play games for free

As for no. 1, that's definitely a problem that Microsoft should fix somehow. Maybe allow users to add consoles as "household consoles" and forcing them to signin using the same IP address (sorta like Spotify does it) the first time.

As for no. 2... well. You're violating the ToS. Stop whining that it doesn't work for a short while.

I fall under number one and had no issues, so I don't think it's actual DRM, but some glitch in the system.

Same for me and I think one of the games I was playing was like GT7 where it required online even on single player, but it still worked for me so I think the outage may have been localized or I was just extremely lucky.

That said, Xbox really needs to work on this situation. Other than multiplayer games, people need to be able to play the games they own offline, especially when XBLG has an outage.

I had no issues. This was probably a small subset of actual users affected and does not reflect any change to the DRM policy. It was an issue that did affect some people obviously so it should be looked at, but claiming there is always online DRM is flat out false.

 

[Kacho]

Fix the crackling audio issue while you're at it Xbox

 

[TBiddy]

I fall under number one and had no issues, so I don't think it's actual DRM, but some glitch in the system.

Could be. I'm not aware if Microsoft released any statement on this.

Also, I'm disappointed that Three vanished from the thread after his ridiculous claims. Is that normal from him? I thought he was actually here to discuss. Turns out he was just here to pick a fight, I suppose.

 

[Knightime_X]

Depends on the game.
Most games with MP NEED DRM not for the sake of DRM but what comes with DRM and that's anti cheats.
It prevents save editing etc.

But for offline games its super dumb and not needed at all.

 

[Syphon Filter]

And this is why i'll always prefer physical games.

Physical games have disk rot. Digital can be done right btw, basically allow users to back up an installer of the game.

 

[SteelCurtain 59]

There's really no reason for anybody to defend this, like it's not a big deal in the slightest but it's still handled very poorly and should be fixed by Xbox. I understand if you don't want people abusing offline mode for the game sharing method and other ways to take advantage of a 100% DRM free digital game, but there needs to, at the very least, be some sort of countermeasure which recognizes when server issues are occurring to be able to temporarily bypass that check until servers are reachable again. Obviously 0 DRM is preferable but I understand the concern of them not wanting people to steal games by playing just in offline mode. One of the things that Xbox is 100% in the wrong on, and hopefully there's enough outrage over this that they fix it to at least be fully functional during server issues and in offline mode with any owned games. Just because it's not a big deal doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed, like the Playstation CMOS battery issue that Sony fixed

 

[The Inventor]

Well according to the poll results,


The Inventor @Bazookaxp @Unrivaledx88

Is this a witch hunt or what? Also curious.

 

[TidusYuna]

There was somebody that tried to raise this issue a month ago but you all shot down his thread. A month later people now care because shit finally hit the fan.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/most-xbox-disc-games-require-online-connection.1632986

ModernVintageGamer raised this issue over a year ago. If you just want facts about consoles and game preservation is important to you, follow his channel.

 

[ManaByte]

ModernVintageGamer raised this issue over a year ago. If you just want facts about consoles and game preservation is important to you, follow his channel.

His "facts" were proven to be wrong and didn't address the home console setting.

 

[TidusYuna]

His "facts" were proven to be wrong and didn't address the home console setting.

"Home console setting" Timestamped


Its your money, do you.

Edit: added timestamped video.

 

[ManaByte]

Its your money, do you.

 

[TidusYuna]

I'm saying "spend your money how you please."

You said he didn't address "Home console" which tells me you probably didn't watch the video because he did address it. I timestamped it for you.

 

[Connxtion]

I'm saying "spend your money how you please."

You said he didn't address "Home console" which tells me you probably didn't watch the video because he did address it. I timestamped it for you.

Think the mean, for games to work offline they need to be downloaded on a home console (set to home first) prior to being offline.

I think he did address it afterwards when he found out titles he had downloaded but not run did not have there license file downloaded. (All games need to be run once to get the license file or when on the console, online and downloaded they get the license automatically)

 

[Syphon Filter]

I don't care about a monthly DRM check, no matter who does it. Steam does it too and I don't give a shit.

Enjoy not owning your games.

 

[DarkMage619]

Enjoy not owning your games.

In an age of digital games who is doing game preservation better? Internet is required for the download and physical media is already gone on PC and will be on consoles most likely by next generation. At least on Xbox I have several original Xbox and 360 titles I can still play with no additional fees. It certainly feels like ownership to me.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

From what I can tell, the issue seems to have mainly hit two types of people:

1. Those who have multiple consoles in their household and use the same account on them

I've got three consoles over two households. It's a pain in the arse.

I know why they do it, but it's still utter shite when it happens.

 

[ParaSeoul]