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[3rdman]

Just bought the megapack collection from Spacecraft Films which has got to be the most comprehensive collection of images and video from NASA that you could ever hope for. Although I've seen Neil Armstrong's famous step off the LEM, I had never seen it uncut and without narration. What a grand thing to see! The years may temper our exceitement for what those brave men did, but this collection sure does a lot to remind you! Go buy it!

 

[Late Stage Marxist]

The special effects don't hold up so well these days. They should call up Lucas.

 

[Mupepe]

Oh god, you have no idea what you just started. I hate the moon landing argument =(

 

[Burger]

Those conspiracy theorists are a funny bunch.

They overlook the fact that on one landing a mirror like device was left on the surface, so we could aim a laser at it (and have it bounce back) to measure distances, orbits etc.

Who would have thought such a simple thing could debunk all their theories in one foul swoop.

 

[Mupepe]

Those conspiracy theorists are a funny bunch.

They overlook the fact that on one landing a mirror like device was left on the surface, so we could aim a laser at it (and have it bounce back) to measure distances, orbits etc.

Who would have thought such a simple thing could debunk all their theories in one foul swoop.

:lol Or how bout just looking at the flag that was left? Those people drive me nuts. I accidentally started a thread like that on warppipe.com's forums... god i regretted merely seconds later

 

[SonnyBoy]

:lol Or how bout just looking at the flag that was left? Those people drive me nuts. I accidentally started a thread like that on warppipe.com's forums... god i regretted merely seconds later

Can you explain some more of this to me if you dont mind.

 

[BobbyRobby]

:lol Or how bout just looking at the flag that was left? Those people drive me nuts. I accidentally started a thread like that on warppipe.com's forums... god i regretted merely seconds later

I don't think we can see the flag from here.

 

[DrForester]

 

[BigZep]

Ok, can someone answer this question for me?

How is it that when we supposdly *landed* on the moon there were no known problems with getting there and getting back.

Yet now were having all these problems just sending spaceships up into orbit...(shit falling off, ya know the usual)

I dont know, excuse my ignorance on this, but if you can give me an answer it would be appreciated.

 

[3rdman]

I don't think we can see the flag from here.

No you can't. In fact, it was knocked down when the LEM blasted off the Moon surface!

I've been meaning to see the rest of "From the Earth to the Moon" for a while, but just haven't gotten around to it. I'm really diggin this collection ...I picked up the "Megapack" which includes Apollo 11, Apollo 8, the Mighty Saturns (Saturn 1 and 1b), and Project Gemini.

Theres footage of every launch from every camera that can be accessed in real time choosing the rarely used "angle" feature on a DVD player. Its good to know that someone outside the porn industry has also found a good use for it.

Complete TV broadcasts, every single frame of film shot in space is preserved here without interference from editors or documentarians. Astounding quality and highly recommeded for any space nut.

 

[Mupepe]

I don't think we can see the flag from here.

Actually you can, just find public access telescopes like at museums etc. Most people don't question again after they see it. hehe

 

[DrForester]

After Apollo 11, the flags were placed far enough away so they weren't knocked over.

 

[Mupepe]

Ok, can someone answer this question for me?

How is it that when we supposdly *landed* on the moon there were no known problems with getting there and getting back.

Yet now were having all these problems just sending spaceships up into orbit...(shit falling off, ya know the usual)

I dont know, excuse my ignorance on this, but if you can give me an answer it would be appreciated.

The same reason we thought everything was hunky dorey before the space shuttle explosion. Ignorance.

 

[Burger]

Ok, can someone answer this question for me?

How is it that when we supposdly *landed* on the moon there were no known problems with getting there and getting back.

Yet now were having all these problems just sending spaceships up into orbit...(shit falling off, ya know the usual)

I dont know, excuse my ignorance on this, but if you can give me an answer it would be appreciated.

There is no *supposedly*. Saying stuff like that is STUPID. It's scientific FACT that man landed on the moon.

There were many problems getting there and back. The most famous of course being the Apollo 13 mission, which was supposed to include a lunar landing, but was aborted when the command module nearly blew apart halfway there.

The fact is that doing stuff like that in the 60's was really scary stuff. Man took extreme care with everything he did. Every detail tripple checked and then some. You'll probably find something that went wrong with every mission, but Apollo 13 was the the most severe and most televised.

 

[3rdman]

Ok, can someone answer this question for me?

How is it that when we supposdly *landed* on the moon there were no known problems with getting there and getting back.

Yet now were having all these problems just sending spaceships up into orbit...(shit falling off, ya know the usual)

I dont know, excuse my ignorance on this, but if you can give me an answer it would be appreciated.

No known problems!?!?! We landed on the moon with Apollo 11...every flight before that was in preperation of that. Project Mercury -> Project Gemini -> Project Apollo. Problems were everywhere and people died (Apollo 1)...nostalgia, I imagine, has more to do with your perception of it being problem free.

If there is any real problem with the shuttle system, its that its simply getting old. This era in Nasa began in 1979 and it isn't scheduled for termination until 2010. Saturn V rockets of the Apollo era weren't reuseable and therefore didn't deteriorate with sucessive launches like the shuttle.

Edit: Didn't know about the other flags! I'll have to check that out one day...anybody got a telescope?

 

[Deku]

Apollo 13 was nearly a disaster.

 

[DrForester]

Here are some problems that happened in space flight.

Liberty Bell 7 - Problem with hatch on splashdown caused capsule to sink, astronaut almost drowned

Gemini 8 was brought back early after a error in the docking crafts engines caused the ship to go into a violent roll which was corrected when the crew used the rentry thrusters.

Apollo 11 didn't land anywhere near where it was supposed to.

Apollo 12 was hit by lightning durring launch.

 

[mrklaw]

the flag falling over would make it easier to see from earth. If its still standing, you'll be looking for a pole pointing towards you - impossible to spot!

 

[Fowler]

Also bear in mind that being reusable the Shuttles take a lot more wear and tear than the one-shot Apollo craft did. And Mupepe's post is essentially correct. There have been what, over a hundred Shuttle flights? Stuff fell off Shuttles before Columbia and as Discovery proved after Columbia. But until one had a catastrophic impact like Columbia's, it was ignored. A story on CNN showed a previous Shuttle coming back with damage to SEVEN HUNDRED of the tiles, but again, back then they didn't think much of it.

 

[RoadStar]

man, i love science documentaries...i might go out and buy myself a copy

 

[Socreges]

What I thought of...

 

[Crag Dweller]

Actually you can, just find public access telescopes like at museums etc. Most people don't question again after they see it. hehe

Can you see the flag or other objects left behind on the moon from the Apollo missions?


Unfortunately the answer to this question is no. Not even the most powerful telescopes ever made are able to see these objects. The flag on the moon is 125cm (4 feet) long. You would require a telescope around 200 meters in diameter to see it. The largest telescope now is the Keck Telescope in Hawaii at 10meters in diameter. Even the Hubble Space telescope is only 2.4 meters in diameter. Resolving the lunar rover, which is 3.1 meters in length, would require a telescope 75 meters in diameter. So our backyard 6 inch and 8 inch telescopes are not even going to come close!

http://www.telescopes.com/faq/17.html

Is the flag that the astronauts left still on the moon? If so can it be seen by using a telescope? What about the lunar rover? Can we use the Hubble Space Telescope to see anything left behind by the astronauts?

Yes, the flag is still on the moon, but you can't see it using a telescope. I found some statistics on the size of lunar equipment in a Press Kit for the Apollo 16 mission. The flag is 125 cm (4 feet) long, and you would need an optical wavelength telescope around 200 meters (~650 feet) in diameter to see it. The largest optical wavelength telescope that we have now is the Keck Telscope in Hawaii which is 10 meters in diameter. The Hubble Space Telescope is only 2.4 meters in diameter - much too small!

Resolving the larger lunar rover (which has a length of 3.1 meters) would still require a telescope 75 meters in diameter.

Even barely resolving the lunar lander base, which is 9.5 meters across (including landing gear), would require a telescope about 25 meters across. And in reality you would want a couple (or a few) resolution elements across the object so that it's possible to identify it. (Otherwise it'll look like a one pixel detection, not an image, and I don't think people would be convinced by a couple pixels!) In addition, with a ground based telescope, you have to deal with distortion by the atmosphere as well, so you'll probably want something considerably larger than 25 meters if you want a good, believable, image of the lander. We don't have anything that big built yet! So there's really no way to image equipment left behind by the astronauts with current telescope technology.

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=134

 

[evilromero]

Oh god, you have no idea what you just started. I hate the moon landing argument =(

Don't worry. There is no argument. Only boneheaded people.

 

[mrklaw]

So giant telescopes on Earth, and the hubble space telescope, are used to detect far away planets and stars, and the fainest glimmers of light millions and millions of miles away. But they can't see the rover on the moon 250k miles away?

Thats shit. They should have an optical zoom on that thing.

 

[Red Blaster]

Giant steps are what you take....walking on the moon...

 

[levious]

I hope my leg don't break...

 

[Straightballin]

man this would be perfect with a pic of dumb and dumber when he says we landed on the moon when he saw the newspaper.

 

[Red Blaster]

do-do-doooo...*twang*...do-do-dooo

 

[DonasaurusRex]

Ok, can someone answer this question for me?

How is it that when we supposdly *landed* on the moon there were no known problems with getting there and getting back.

Yet now were having all these problems just sending spaceships up into orbit...(shit falling off, ya know the usual)

I dont know, excuse my ignorance on this, but if you can give me an answer it would be appreciated.

..because those are the same ships that went to the moon etc etc for the past 30 some odd years tough guy. Overtime planes receive unrepairable stress fractures theres only so much that can be done to maintain them before they SHOULD be in the graveyard. When the Lunar landing took place the US was spending ALOT on aerospace and space travel to keep pace or out pace the Russians, as of late they dont have that kind of money hence why they still use those old Rockets.

 

[FnordChan]

For All Mankind (1989) is a documentary that uses footage from all the Apollo missions to create a composite trip to the moon, narrated using only anecdotes from the astronauts themselves, and scored by Brian Eno. It's beautiful to behold; in particular, the Eno score is haunting, ethereal, and conveys the enormity of the achievement. If you have any interest in the Apollo missions, trust me, you want to watch this film.

And, on the perils of space flight, let's not forget the Apollo 1, Soyuz 1, and Soyuz 11, as well as numerous training accidents and a slew of near-misses; an extensive Wikipedia entry lists them all. Ad Astra Per Aspera.

FnordChan, who will be buried in the Kremlin Wall Necropolis

 

[Lord Error]

Actually you can, just find public access telescopes like at museums etc. Most people don't question again after they see it. hehe

I don't think that would stop any of those people from saying that a robot probe could have left the flag and mirror... -_-

Still at least it would be fine to get them realize *something* landed there, a probe at least, if not people.

 

[GamerShu]

GOD DAM PEOPLE. WE DID NOT LAND ON THE FREAKEN MOON. IT WAS STAGED IN CALIFORNIA ON A FILM SET. A FREAKEN FILM SET. GETTING TO THE MOON WAS IMPOSSIBLE BACK THEN AND IS IMPOSSIBLE STILL. DONT LET THEM FOOL YOU.



















:lol :lol

 

[Phoenix]

Its all fake because the moon itself does not exist!

 

[FoneBone]

What makes the faked landing so absurd is that an insane number of people would have had to be in on it. All the astronauts, most of the people at Mission Control, everyone involved with the set construction... come on.

 

[BlackSalad]

Its all fake because the moon itself does not exist!

WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA

 

[GamerShu]

What makes the faked landing so absurd is that an insane number of people would have had to be in on it. All the astronauts, most of the people at Mission Control, everyone involved with the set construction... come on.

if nintendo can keep secrets...what makes you think NASA cant?

 

[Rocket9]

America doesnt exist either. It's all in your head

 

[GamerShu]

Seems to me that a potato would be a very simple thing to put into space
Because the potato has a very simple rhythm, it doesnt have a complicated life pattern
If the potato can not survive out of the earth's sphere of influence
Then I would be very very cautious if I were concerned with the total problem of sending man out into outerspace until I have found out what it was that the potato lacked in order to permit it to survive out there

 

[Cauliflower of Love]

What makes the faked landing so absurd is that an insane number of people would have had to be in on it. All the astronauts, most of the people at Mission Control, everyone involved with the set construction... come on.

Not really, just the astronauts, and use them to build the sets.










*I am not a nut.

 

[aparisi2274]

The Moon is made of cheese people. You heard it here first....

If we landed on it with a lunar module, the thrusters would have melted the cheese and we would have been caught in a big Fon-du mess.....

 

[1337_J35U5]

So giant telescopes on Earth, and the hubble space telescope, are used to detect far away planets and stars, and the fainest glimmers of light millions and millions of miles away. But they can't see the rover on the moon 250k miles away?

Thats shit. They should have an optical zoom on that thing.

The hubble is not designed to view close range objects, only very far distant objects, and it can not simply adjust the focus, like a pair of binoculars.

Also consider this, the moon is 1/4 the size of the earth, good luck finding one flag. Even if you knew the general location it would still be a tough find, and would require a massive amount of man hours.

 

[Lord Error]

What makes the faked landing so absurd is that an insane number of people would have had to be in on it. All the astronauts, most of the people at Mission Control, everyone involved with the set construction... come on.

Also, and most importantly, Russians would have to be on it, which would never happen. I don't know how those conspiracy theorists don't realize that Russans were tracking that Apollo mission with the every ounce of equipment they had. They would have loved nothing more than that something about it was staged, so that they could blow it wide open.

 

[Zaptruder]

Seems to me that a potato would be a very simple thing to put into space
Because the potato has a very simple rhythm, it doesnt have a complicated life pattern
If the potato can not survive out of the earth's sphere of influence
Then I would be very very cautious if I were concerned with the total problem of sending man out into outerspace until I have found out what it was that the potato lacked in order to permit it to survive out there

You've carried this joke on for three posts now. That's long enough.

If you're not joking, then I suggest you end yourself. Space aliens are coming and you forgot to make yourself a tinfoil hat.

 

[ckohler]

Its all fake because the moon itself does not exist!

Shhh! You'll piss of Christof!

 

[1337_J35U5]

One thing I dont uderstand is why the people that claim the moon landing was fake, have nothing to say about the mars rover landings, or the international space station. Do you have any idea how complex it is for the shuttle to dock with the space station, its not as easy as pulling a car into a parking spot. The orbiting latitude degree, distance, and velocity change alone makes the moon landing look like cake. Too all you non believers take it from an aerospace engineer, the moon landing happened.

Personally I too am tired of hearing about moon landing argurments, but ill keep arguing my side because my hypocrisy knows no bounds. :lol

 

[GamerShu]

One thing I dont uderstand is why the people that claim the moon landing was fake, have nothing to say about the mars rover landings, or the international space station. Do you have any idea how complex it is for the shuttle to dock with the space station, its not as easy as pulling a car into a parking spot. The orbiting latitude degree, distance, and velocity change alone makes the moon landing look like cake. Too all you non believers take it from an aerospace engineer, the moon landing happened.

Personally I too am tired of hearing about moon landing argurments, but ill keep arguing my side because my hypocrisy knows no bounds. :lol

 

[Phoenix]

The Moon is made of cheese people. You heard it here first....

If we landed on it with a lunar module, the thrusters would have melted the cheese and we would have been caught in a big Fon-du mess.....

Yep and I can prove it! Just go to moon.google.com and zoom all the way in. Most convincing evidence yet Google continues to expose the lies being sold to the public.

 

[olimario]

I want to get the people who believe we never went to the moon in the same room with the people who believe we saw aliens while on the moon.

 

[SickBoy]

Yep and I can prove it! Just go to moon.google.com and zoom all the way in. Most convincing evidence yet Google continues to expose the lies being sold to the public.

lol... that's pretty funny. Didn't even know Google Moon existed... but where's the street map version?

 

[Cauliflower of Love]

I want to get the people who believe we never went to the moon in the same room with the people who believe we saw aliens while on the moon.

It's obvious that both groups would say the other IS the government trying to distract everyone from the truth.




The truth is we are on the moon! = O