With genocide? Get the fuck out of here.
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"We need to kill them not just the Hamas militants but all the people in Gaza"
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With genocide? Get the fuck out of here.
Terra Firma
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Well, Russia is not "flat-out wrong" with regards to its response to the Malaysian plane crash.
This tends to happen when you completely omit half the story.
It's like saying someone was punched, kicked, had the wind knocked out of him, got a black eye, fractured a rib but not providing any context (but throwing in a whole lot of buzzwords like saying that this person was an angel and that his assailants were just a bunch of barbaric thugs).
Was he beaten because he attacked someone without provocation? Was he beaten because he was not the right skin colour for a bunch of skinheads? Was he beaten because he was mixed up in a bar fight? Was he beaten because he was an unfortunate Boston fan in Vancouver in 2011? Was he beaten because he was soliciting some kids at a playground while being a known sex offender?
You have to admit that the majority of the world is pretty ok with it. And talking about the US. Who if not the US has the power to stop this madness? I don't that only the US is to blame but as long as they back Israel this won't end well.
Cant we just move all the Israelis to Missouri or something. Sarcasm but what are they really fighting over; Palestine must be the most blood soaked land on earth. Just sow the fields with salt and leave.
If we didnt have the Israel v Palestine issue then we could just flip the bird to the middle east and live in west(best) hemisphere without dealing with this crap.
Nothing good has come out of Western dealings with the Middle East in the last 100 years.
Even the arab spring has resulted in a giant clusterfuck.
In my mind as Israelis are becoming more radical I am expecting them to try something more permanent.
If we didnt have the Israel v Palestine issue then we could just flip the bird to the middle east and live in west(best) hemisphere without dealing with this crap.
Nothing good has come out of Western dealings with the Middle East in the last 100 years.
Even the arab spring has resulted in a giant clusterfuck.
In my mind as Israelis are becoming more radical I am expecting them to try something more permanent.
Missouri ain't holy, brah.
PeskyToaster
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I disagree with this because there's no such thing as an ethnic/racial right to own land in reality. It's always been force of arms and ability to defend it that have guaranteed sovereignty over land. The nations surrounding Israel tried to contest this in several conflicts and, to be frank, they got wrecked. By a much smaller Israeli force. Soon, Palestinians will have as much right to that land as a Native American has to my property. It's a sad reality and even sadder that I can't think of any other way to do it that would actually work.
With the amount of money the US and EU has wasted over there we can move the whole country brick by brick over here and it will be cheaper.
It's also not the land of their direct ancestors which has had Jewish families living there for thousands of years.
I mean, Palestinians have a right to live there, but so do Jews. The solution to this conflict isn't mass exodus. That shit never works. Ever.
But did God say thou shalt haul ass to Missouri? If not they aren't budging.
I know an exodus will never happen but the current situation is probably the one time that peaceful coexistence is a pipedream
PeskyToaster
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I think he actually said those exact words. It was mistranslated since no one knew what a 'Missouri' was at the time.
dripdripsplash
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You'd have a point. One hundred years ago.
This is a time with international law and regulations though.
How meta, a board about a board.
It's a real technicality, but I don't think Palestine would have been considered an independent state during all the centuries of foreign rule by empires. Now that doesn't deny the political aspirations of the people who live there, and I could be mistaken, but before the declaration of the state of Israel, I'm pretty sure the last independent state declared there would have been following the Bar Kochba revolt between 132-135 CE.
If I'm mistaken, please someone let me know.
Partial Gamification
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Almost as efficient as AntisemiteGAF
I'm thinking about how to posed the question "why would someone consider Israeli occupation comparable to that of Apartheid" and I don't think there is a way to frame it as to not seem to be arguing a position so that an understanding can be had as to why people would think this. Misunderstanding and defensiveness prevent dialogue. There are so many Israeli threads I just don't think it will be helpful, at least how its outlined in my head right now. Its not the truth and reconciliation I'm hoping for, not even in the pointlessness of having a bit of it here.
The antisemiteGAF (with the immature smiley) pisses me off. Are you a child? Do you take this seriously, BLunted? Is it a farce to you?
Being critical of Israel is not being antisemitic. Furthermore, Semitic peoples, people that speak Semitic languages, are not just Jews. I know the widespread understanding as Jew-hater but it you look at the etymology of the word, one could see the Israelis acting in an antisemitic fashion against Arabic speakers. The words starts to lose its common meaning whenever someone is critical of Israel and that gets that word applied to them. For fuck's sake, are you defending the content in the OP? Is it a need to defend the Israeli reputation through any means necessary?
Seeking vengeance is a savage response. It might be natural but civilization is not natural. If you want to be justified for savage reactions, then understand you can be seen as uncivilized.
There was a video posted about Israeli boarder crossings and the harassment of the Palestinians, in another one of these threads. One of the boarder guards said, "they are animals, we are the humans." The humanity is not demonstrated at large, nor has it been, in this conflict.
Elfforkusu
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Israelis have been raised on the "us or them" mentality. You can hear it in the pro-israel arguments time and time again. It's the foundation of all the rhetoric to justify this ethnic cleansing trending towards genocide.
If "us or them" is really true, then genocide is the prudent option.
(It's clearly not true)
If "us or them" is really true, then genocide is the prudent option.
(It's clearly not true)
speculawyer
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Yeah, that is the way the cycle of violence works.
An interesting article about the Israeli and Palestinian psyches (I know the source is right-wing, but I thought the observations at least about Israel were apt) http://www.timesofisrael.com/the-tragic-self-delusion-behind-the-hamas-war/
afternoon delight
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+1 this post for sure. Just think if an Asian man gunned down your sister or brother and you started saying to the press afterward: fuck Koreans, kill them all, it's the only way to be sure, all Koreans want us dead you know.
Your ass would be pitied and walked off stage.
Unfortunately I think conservatism is on the rise globally due to people growing up under TERROR THREAT ORANGE TODAY and have slipped back into being reactionary fools.
We've engaged in genocide a couple of times already. You know, when our love of Jesus sent us here. There is very little daylight between us and"evil" countries and it is dangerous to assume moral superiority. That is precisely what the Israelis in the OP are doing.
Don't pussyfoot around, name them.Almost as efficient as AntisemiteGAF
Messofanego
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This is pretty amazing.
Reactions to Jon Stewart just mentioning "Israel"
We Need To Talk About Israel
Reactions to Jon Stewart just mentioning "Israel"
We Need To Talk About Israel
This is pretty amazing.
Reactions to Jon Stewart just mentioning "Israel"
We Need To Talk About Israel
Pretty much real life.
This entire thing is absolutely disgusting.
So, in a sense, do you believe the Palestinians should make peace only because they are weaker? That's messed up. In that sense then the entire theory of rights is wrong on premise. And it's the strong who will, and should, bend the weak to their will.
I don't think anybody is saying it's good, just that it makes more sense in this context. It's still horrible and tragic, but in the context of at a funeral in the one place on Earth where the cycle of revenge has driven things for like, ever, it's more understandable. It's still bad, but not the same kind of bad as if a top government official in a cushy chair said it.
But yes, if we're not going to split hairs, it's still really, really bad.
speculawyer
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Yeah, you can get quotes like that all the time. But for some magical reason, the fact that Hamas has it in the charter makes them infinitely worse. I'm not quite sure how that works.
Lots of countries chickened out too. That's so fucking shameful.They're:
Guess what country voted "NO"
That's totally not what he's saying, don't put words in other people's mouths. He's simply stating the reality of the situation at hand.
Messofanego
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They're:
Guess what country voted "NO"
Yup, that's Europe alright. UK always groveling to USA.
Please, germany is worse. Out chancellor seriously said sorry to Obama because we investigated the USA spying on and worsened our relationships. Buhuuhuu!
And_Gignac
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Guess what country voted "NO"
I am glad my country, even when we are so economically dependant of the US, voted Yes.
Sadly, the only vote that could really change anything is a No.
lol, Lufthansa and Air Berlin still don't fly to Israel and our leftwings politicans of all things criticize them for disturbing the air traffic, because humans are entitled to fly were they want. Fitting for a country that has no real laws against corruption*.
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausla...erbot-nach-israel-in-der-kritik-a-982623.html
*corruption isn't legal, but can only be lead to anything if anyone have the bills of corrution transfers
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausla...erbot-nach-israel-in-der-kritik-a-982623.html
*corruption isn't legal, but can only be lead to anything if anyone have the bills of corrution transfers
Vindicator
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Meanwhile in the US the Republicans accuse Obama for putting up an economic Embargo against Israel because of the flying ban.
Source: the most popular german "Newspaper" ,you know which one...
Edit: spiegel.de also mentions it
That's exactly what he's saying. I'm asking about the right for Isreal to exist and he said that strength determines a society's right to the land.
perfectchaos007
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Didn't the US publicly declare Israel an ally during Bush's presidency? I don't think Palestine is too happy that we chose a side, and its not theirs. US should have remained neutral.
hydrophilic attack
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Fucking ugh. What the fuck is happening to the world?
This kind of sentiment is probably relatively widespread among Israeli soldiers and this helps explain some of the shit they have been caught doing.
This kind of sentiment is probably relatively widespread among Israeli soldiers and this helps explain some of the shit they have been caught doing.
TheRealTalker
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lol at that GAF reddit thread
when are we not hated on
when are we not hated on
We have been in bed together since the beginning.
The basic reason that Usama bin Laden wrote that they conducted the 9/11 operation is because of our support of Israel.
It is the current root of any anti US sentiment coming from west asia.
Evil_Silver
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Where is this conflict going?
BeatResetsTheWorld
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They're:
Guess what country voted "NO"
Fuck AIPAC. Because they really are the root of all of this. Well, lobbying in general is the root of the vast majority of our societal issues and the inability for them to be changed, but in this instance, our blind support of Israel has them to blame
They're:
Guess what country voted "NO"
That single "No" looks particularly bad, but even all those ABST... smh.
not quite THAT bad, but yeah, they are treated rather poorly, and part of that is the history of turmoil that seems to follow the PLO everywhere.
You had Black September and the Jordanian Civil War which resulted in their exile to Lebanon. Then you had the Lebanese Civil War and the Israeli occupation of southern lebanon. Then you had the first intifada.
Deified Data
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I suppose it's true that genocide is a quick and efficient way of attaining peace - it worked in the US and it could work for Israel. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with this revelation, however.
I was just thinking a minute ago that if humanity is the only sentient life in the universe, the universe is a very morbid place.
I was just thinking a minute ago that if humanity is the only sentient life in the universe, the universe is a very morbid place.
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