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Were Halle Berry's scenes in X-Men: DoFP left on the editing room floor?

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Skab

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Pfft, forget actresses, let's put her Children of the Atom sprite in the movie!

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Who's with me?!

Lets just replace every Berry scene with clips of Justin Wongs MVC2 Storm play.
 

Rootbeer

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Can't stand her as Storm. Shame, cause the character is great.

I know recasting wasn't in the cards. But I think we deserve a more badass, strong Storm. A storm we deserve.

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lupinko

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I think maybe Hollywood should branch out to more black actresses for dramatic roles. I just realized a little while ago that Bassett played both Coretta Scott King and Betty Shabazz in different films.

Speaking of Angela Bassett both she and Laurence Fishburne have been in way too many movies together, most if not all good but it just shows how Hollywood limits itself with minorities.
 
How many movies cut two Oscar winning actresses out after they already filmed their scenes?

What the hell is Singer doing? After Jack having almost no end game after a long build up and the mess that was Supes Returns.....i have no faith.
 

Drek

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If there's one superhero movie series that needs a reboot, this is it.

Just start over with Professor X + the first five and introduce the rest of the team in sequels.

This but as an HBO/Netflix premium series. X-Men is meant to be serialized, not trying to stuff all the lore into movies.
 

neorej

ERMYGERD!
Can't stand her as Storm. Shame, cause the character is great.

I know recasting wasn't in the cards. But I think we deserve a more badass, strong Storm. A storm we deserve.

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I was thinking the exact same thing the other day while watching TWD. Why in god's name is she not playing Storm? How? I mean, Halle Berry got knocked up, severely reducing her range in terms of what she can take on a physical level, plus she's not a great actress to begin with, so why the hell not cast Danai as Storm, apart from scheduling issues with TWD?
 

royalan

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I was thinking the exact same thing the other day while watching TWD. Why in god's name is she not playing Storm? How? I mean, Halle Berry got knocked up, severely reducing her range in terms of what she can take on a physical level, plus she's not a great actress to begin with, so why the hell not cast Danai as Storm, apart from scheduling issues with TWD?

Because Halle Berry is a much better actress than Danai?

Seriously, give an actress one badass role and suddenly guys think she has the same depth as a Hollywood great.

I'm convinced at this point that people who diss Halle's acting abilities have never actually seen the movies that merited her critical praise (Losing Isaiah, Monster's Ball, etc.).
 
How you interpret his explanation (excuse or valid defense) will depend on if you like Joss Whedon's tone of writing.

Haha holy shit Joss Whedon back to his Alien Resurrection ways, this guy hasn't changed an iota with his script ego. He just can't ever admit defeat.
"It wasn't a question of doing everything differently, although they changed the ending; it was mostly a matter of doing everything wrong. They said the lines...mostly...but they said them all wrong. And they cast it wrong. And they designed it wrong. And they scored it wrong. They did everything wrong that they could possibly do. There's actually a fascinating lesson in filmmaking, because everything that they did reflects back to the script or looks like something from the script, and people assume that, if I hated it, then they’d changed the script...but it wasn’t so much that they’d changed the script; it’s that they just executed it in such a ghastly fashion as to render it almost unwatchable."
 
If there's one superhero movie series that needs a reboot, this is it.

Just start over with Professor X + the first five and introduce the rest of the team in sequels.

That's basically what First Class was, wasn't it? Except when Singer was brought back to direct for the sequel, he decided to tie the two timelines together to explain the age of some characters.
 

AMUSIX

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Because Halle Berry is a much better actress than Danai?

Seriously, give an actress one badass role and suddenly guys think she has the same depth as a Hollywood great.

I'm convinced at this point that people who diss Halle's acting abilities have never actually seen the movies that merited her critical praise (Losing Isaiah, Monster's Ball, etc.).

Sorry, no, I've seen Halle's dramatic roles, and she remains a horrible actress, critical praise or not. However, her worst crime is that whatever ability she does have, she immediately leaves at home the moment the role is anything but 'serious'.

The way you can tell a truly good actor is that they show up and put full effort into everything. Patrick Stewart brings the same dedication to a role like Professor X as he does to King Henry II. Ian McKellen treats Magneto as seriously as James Whale. With Halle Berry, she treats these movies as if it's just a stupid little job, and it shows on the screen. Compare her oscar-winning performance in Monster's Ball with the shit in Swordfish. Both the same year, both during her "i'm going to show my tits" phase, and one is laughably phoned in. Same goes for Dorothy Dandridge and X-Men, or Frankie and Alice and Dark Tide.

So, yeah, a shitty actress with little dedication to any non-dramatic roles...that's exactly who you want in your comic book movie....
 

neorej

ERMYGERD!
Because Halle Berry is a much better actress than Danai?

Seriously, give an actress one badass role and suddenly guys think she has the same depth as a Hollywood great.

I'm convinced at this point that people who diss Halle's acting abilities have never actually seen the movies that merited her critical praise (Losing Isaiah, Monster's Ball, etc.).

Whether or not she is a better actress is up for debate to say the least (IMHO she's had one role where she absolutely honed up to what the role and movie demanded of her), but her performances as Storm are laughable at best. And no matter how you look at it; she's playing Storm in the X-men movies. And her performance in those are leagues away from what she pulled off in Monster's Ball. If she isn't going to bother aiming for that level of performance, why bother with her? Why not say "hey, here's a plethora of actresses who are aching to get a job in this industry, let's give them a try!"?

Maybe it's because they are "just comicbookmovies" that she decides to phone in her performances in the X-Men movies and the disaster that's Catwoman, but the fact remains that she's doing a shitty job in them and there are actresses out there who will take the job seriously.

As mentioned before, Ian McKellen and Patrick Stewart treat this as well as any other role and they nail it. Hugh Jackman, although physically not representative of the comics-Wolverine, nails the role. All because they take it serious and don't treat it like some some cos-play-event.
 
Sounds like they are heading in the "X-Men 3 Last Stand" -way again :/ too many characters that just pop in to do one thing and the end result being a worthless mess of a movie.

Did they not learn anything from Avengers? How to do ensemble superhero movie the proper way. :(
 

royalan

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Sorry, no, I've seen Halle's dramatic roles, and she remains a horrible actress, critical praise or not. However, her worst crime is that whatever ability she does have, she immediately leaves at home the moment the role is anything but 'serious'.

The way you can tell a truly good actor is that they show up and put full effort into everything. Patrick Stewart brings the same dedication to a role like Professor X as he does to King Henry II. Ian McKellen treats Magneto as seriously as James Whale. With Halle Berry, she treats these movies as if it's just a stupid little job, and it shows on the screen. Compare her oscar-winning performance in Monster's Ball with the shit in Swordfish. Both the same year, both during her "i'm going to show my tits" phase, and one is laughably phoned in. Same goes for Dorothy Dandridge and X-Men, or Frankie and Alice and Dark Tide.

So, yeah, a shitty actress with little dedication to any non-dramatic roles...that's exactly who you want in your comic book movie....

Ummm, yeah...so, I was agreeing with you, until I remember that this movie happened:

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An otherwise panned comedy whose only source of praise was in the fact that Halle Berry surprised critics with her ability to play a comedic role.

I don't think it's right to judge an actress' abilities based on their admitedly bad movies. That would be like judging Charlize Theron on Aeon Flux (her "Swordfish" as it were) or Meryl Streep on...well, most of her early material. No, you judge an actor's abilities based on their best, and Halle has proven that her best is Oscar caliber acting. She was fantastic in Monster's Ball, one of the most deserving wins in years. And she was even better in Losing Isaiah.

Whether or not she is a better actress is up for debate to say the least (IMHO she's had one role where she absolutely honed up to what the role and movie demanded of her), but her performances as Storm are laughable at best. And no matter how you look at it; she's playing Storm in the X-men movies. And her performance in those are leagues away from what she pulled off in Monster's Ball. If she isn't going to bother aiming for that level of performance, why bother with her? Why not say "hey, here's a plethora of actresses who are aching to get a job in this industry, let's give them a try!"?

Maybe it's because they are "just comicbookmovies" that she decides to phone in her performances in the X-Men movies and the disaster that's Catwoman, but the fact remains that she's doing a shitty job in them and there are actresses out there who will take the job seriously.

As mentioned before, Ian McKellen and Patrick Stewart treat this as well as any other role and they nail it. Hugh Jackman, although physically not representative of the comics-Wolverine, nails the role. All because they take it serious and don't treat it like some some cos-play-event.

This goes back to what I said in an earlier post (which the OP also noted). The problem with Storm wasn't so much the actress, the problem was the direction and the writing. Storm in the X-Men movies is WRITTEN to be quiet and non-threatening. It's the WRITING that made Storm such a poor character in those films and any actress who would have played her would have turned in the same weak performance because that's how they would have been directed to.
 

Blader

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Well, part of it is that one of Toad's running quirks in Whedon's script was that he would keep throwing out toad trivia. "Do you know that toads can hibernate for decades underground?" and stuff like that. So Storm's line when she zaps him is supposed to be a payoff related to him doing that the whole film. His toad trivia was cut from the film but nobody bothered to change Storm's line, and on top of that it was delivered wrong, so it comes off as borderline nonsensical.

There's nothing embarrassing about Whedon explaining why careless rewriting and thoughtless delivery resulted in the appearance of a nonsense line in a script he's credited on. None of the shortcomings of the line in the final film are his fault.

Nah man it's just bad writing and how dare you suggest anyone but Whedon screwed it up!
 

DonasaurusRex

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i dont know if she acts though she's a model i've seen maybe in some bit parts in film..her with the platinum hair...yesssssssssss. My waifu Storm
 

Parch

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Sounds like they are heading in the "X-Men 3 Last Stand" -way again :/ too many characters that just pop in to do one thing and the end result being a worthless mess of a movie.
Berry whined about her lack of screen time in X3. They added scenes to please her.
 

Kinyou

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That entire characters could just be cut out like this makes me a little worried.

Probably would have been for the better if they had just continued with first class. (and kept matthew vaughn as director)
 

Blader

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That entire characters could just be cut out like this makes me a little worried.

Probably would have been for the better if they had just continued with first class. (and kept matthew vaughn as director)

It's mostly a First Class sequel. The future setting is
only about 25% of the story.
 

Dysun

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They already "did" the reboot thing with First Class. In regards to a full on reboot that recasts everyone for a brand new Xmen, that won't happen till Hugh Jackman feels he wants out of the franchise and it sounds like hes got at least one more film in him following DoFP

First Class was more of a prequel initially, this time around I feel coming out of this movie we will get a new Cyclops/Jean/Angel/Storm etc. in future movies.

Also Singer directed 2 of the only 3 good X-Men movies (Vaughn the other), so even in light of his shittacular Superman Returns I have some hope.
 
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