CornBurrito
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Your reasoning on CrimsonFist isn't convincing. Sorry. It is day 2. Scum has plenty of time to get a scum sheriff when it matters.
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Werewolf |OT| Was it all just a Dream?
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Your reasoning on CrimsonFist isn't convincing. Sorry. It is day 2. Scum has plenty of time to get a scum sheriff when it matters.
Sorry guys, vote thing is definitely down. I'll be sure to post the final vote tally next time for reference. I'll message Royal to see if he's aware of the issue.
Edit: It's back up. Here's Day 1:
Day 1 votes
*splinter (0)
cabot 191 (383)
terrabyte20xx 258 (788)
cabot (1)
swamped 201 (790)
lollipop dave 582 (717)
style 814
darryl (10)
cornburrito 364 (853)
batsnacks 663
czartim 719 (961)
starsketch 735 (754)
swamped 790
xamtheking 845 (923)
darryl 850 (907)
*splinter 884 (919)
ultron87 906 (943)
cabot 954
czartim 961
terrabyte20xx 965
cornburrito 971
drop 976
drop 976
xamtheking 978
fluxwavez 979
fluxwavez (0)
cabot 383 (452)
fluxwavez 693 (695)
fluxwavez 693 (695)
timeaisis (0)
cabot 452 (491)
xamtheking 477 (495)
cornburrito (0)
darryl 475 (660)
batsnacks 630 (663)
robotninjahornets (0)
cabot 491 (699)
fluxwavez 610 (693)
xamtheking 611 (617)
fluxwavez 695 (792)
*splinter 866 (884)
style (3)
lollipop dave 504 (582)
zippedpinhead 625 (691)
zippedpinhead 691
crimsonfist 716 (811)
kingkitty 756
fireblend 779
xamtheking (7)
makai 511
boo boo'n 634
starsketch 794
cornburrito 853 (932)
robotninjahornets 871
terrabyte20xx 876 (935)
greatlord tiger 877 (929)
lollipop dave 881
burbeting 903
ultron87 943
cornburrito 956 (971)
quantumbro (0)
kingkitty 536 (756)
batsnacks 605 (630)
swamped (0)
czartim 552 (719)
batsnacks (1)
darryl 660 (850)
mattyg 793
starsketch (0)
cabot 699 (938)
xamtheking 838 (845)
drop 848 (962)
drop 848 (962)
darryl 946 (959)
ultron87 (4)
rats off to ya 783
*splinter 919
darryl 921 (946)
xamtheking 923 (978)
greatlord tiger 929
fluxwavez 931 (979)
terrabyte20xx 935 (965)
cabot 938 (954)
darryl 959
drop 962 (976)
drop 962 (976)
zippedpinhead (0)
terrabyte20xx 788 (876)
lollipop dave (0)
fluxwavez 792 (931)
kingkitty (0)
darryl 907 (921)
Edit: It's back up. Here's Day 1:
Day 1 votes
*splinter (0)
cabot (1)
style 814
darryl (10)
batsnacks 663
swamped 790
cabot 954
czartim 961
terrabyte20xx 965
cornburrito 971
drop 976
drop 976
xamtheking 978
fluxwavez 979
fluxwavez (0)
timeaisis (0)
cornburrito (0)
robotninjahornets (0)
style (3)
zippedpinhead 691
kingkitty 756
fireblend 779
xamtheking (7)
makai 511
boo boo'n 634
starsketch 794
robotninjahornets 871
lollipop dave 881
burbeting 903
ultron87 943
quantumbro (0)
swamped (0)
batsnacks (1)
mattyg 793
starsketch (0)
ultron87 (4)
rats off to ya 783
*splinter 919
greatlord tiger 929
darryl 959
zippedpinhead (0)
lollipop dave (0)
kingkitty (0)
Splinter:
I mentioned in Day 1 that Splinter (at least in the beginning) was trying to look like a leader. Be proactive by asking various people what their thoughts were about so-and-so. Good way for scum to look helpful. While I had him on a list of people who should die on Day 1. I wouldn't want to see him killed today over Corn. And admittedly, I no longer have the strongest gut urge that he's super scum, but I'll keep my eyes on him for now.
One thing that is interesting...is Terra's vote for Splinter. One could say "oh that must clear Splinter, right?" Of course not friend! That early vote could be a scum jab play. Show a little friction between two scum by having one of them vote for the other. Not as a form of bussing, but to clear the air of collusion.
The vote is very early, plus the reasoning isn't "ur fuken scum" but was just a nothing burger. The type of reasoning that could easily be waved away and there wouldn't be that much controversy (probably). I can see a situation where scum would coordinate something like that. Unlike that conversation between Cabot v Style. You can argue that I'm wrong with my logic, but you can eat my shorts.
Makai + Baker man:
As discussed earlier by others, Baker man didn't seem to have that much heat on him before Makai started suggesting that Baker man had bold responsibility. Of course, if Baker man had such responsibility, then the way he is playing right now is absolutely baffling.
I refuse to believe Makai and Baker man are somehow connected through mason/lucky buddy/something else. If they were, this would be such a rookie move for Makai to make considering he has experience being in a secret team. I would think he would wait until there was more than one vote on him, until he starts helping out his buddy. And then of course, you make Baker man a flaming target for scum by saying "voting for him is anti-town".
As a scum move, it's stupid. You could say "oh it's so stupid it'll work" but no. My gut won't allow me to think that mafia would have scum Makai protect his scum bro Baker, who only has one vote on him, by saying the words "voting for him is anti-town".
Right now, if somehow either of these individuals flip scum, then I'll end up less suspicious of the other. My gut alignment says Makai isn't scum, and shouldn't be sliced down at this very moment. My feeling is the same for Baker man, but slightly weaker. Baker man continually posting food fluff is not very helpful for town, and if he's scum, I would imagine his scumbros would tell him to knock it off.
I'll write another post after I eat this sandwich.
I mentioned in Day 1 that Splinter (at least in the beginning) was trying to look like a leader. Be proactive by asking various people what their thoughts were about so-and-so. Good way for scum to look helpful. While I had him on a list of people who should die on Day 1. I wouldn't want to see him killed today over Corn. And admittedly, I no longer have the strongest gut urge that he's super scum, but I'll keep my eyes on him for now.
One thing that is interesting...is Terra's vote for Splinter. One could say "oh that must clear Splinter, right?" Of course not friend! That early vote could be a scum jab play. Show a little friction between two scum by having one of them vote for the other. Not as a form of bussing, but to clear the air of collusion.
The vote is very early, plus the reasoning isn't "ur fuken scum" but was just a nothing burger. The type of reasoning that could easily be waved away and there wouldn't be that much controversy (probably). I can see a situation where scum would coordinate something like that. Unlike that conversation between Cabot v Style. You can argue that I'm wrong with my logic, but you can eat my shorts.
Makai + Baker man:
As discussed earlier by others, Baker man didn't seem to have that much heat on him before Makai started suggesting that Baker man had bold responsibility. Of course, if Baker man had such responsibility, then the way he is playing right now is absolutely baffling.
I refuse to believe Makai and Baker man are somehow connected through mason/lucky buddy/something else. If they were, this would be such a rookie move for Makai to make considering he has experience being in a secret team. I would think he would wait until there was more than one vote on him, until he starts helping out his buddy. And then of course, you make Baker man a flaming target for scum by saying "voting for him is anti-town".
As a scum move, it's stupid. You could say "oh it's so stupid it'll work" but no. My gut won't allow me to think that mafia would have scum Makai protect his scum bro Baker, who only has one vote on him, by saying the words "voting for him is anti-town".
Right now, if somehow either of these individuals flip scum, then I'll end up less suspicious of the other. My gut alignment says Makai isn't scum, and shouldn't be sliced down at this very moment. My feeling is the same for Baker man, but slightly weaker. Baker man continually posting food fluff is not very helpful for town, and if he's scum, I would imagine his scumbros would tell him to knock it off.
I'll write another post after I eat this sandwich.
quick, edit it. I grant you permission.
Edit: I'm never going to edit this post though.
Double Edit: I'm a Liar and Czartim totally gets NK immunity thanks to this post:
Can you elaborate further on batsnacks? What odd behavior exactly? From memory, I feel like he's playing in a pro-town way (of course, this is something that's easy to fake for a wolf, especially in the early phases of a game)
^That's a quote from D1. I'm still feeling iffy enough to vote for GLT (see one of my previous posts, but essentially because of his attitude towards bandwagoning at the end of D1). But would scum have paid such close attention to how people were voting, as demonstrated in the above quote? Especially in a case where the frontrunners for lynching on D1 were likely not scum at all. I'll vote for now, but this vote might change. I don't think GLT has posted yet this day phase either.
VOTE: GreatLord Tiger
I will also second the pleas to hear Star's top town and top scum.
I don't think anybody cares all too much, but I just got a very Village feeling from KK's latest reads post.
I haven't really been paying close attention to Time, but this post doesn't feel that Village to me. Reasoning feels a bit lazy. All three of those people are easy targets I think, especially Dave. It's easy to paint him in an anti-town way because of the fluff. I'm inclined to agree with his assessment of Style. Still, the way it's phrased reads like distancing. Of course right now it's too early to say if this really is the case (need some flips).
I am wrighting my rite post.
StarSketch
Banned
Ok, working on the post. Going to read through the entire thread because I have nothing better to do with my life so that I make sure I got EVERYTHING.
Septimus Prime
Member
Too badass. I second deputizing this man.Mod confirmed nk immunity.
Deputize me.
On the subject of Baker, I was reading through the last couple of pages again and thinking there probably is no Baker in this game. The amount of power a role like that would have over a player base with that many players would be insane.
That being the case, though, I wouldn't be opposed to just flipping Lollipop Dave and seeing what happens. As I said earlier, it would be too easy for any other power role to hide behind a baker claim, since that would cover any night movements as bread drops and also give him de facto lynch immunity for a while, since everyone would be too afraid to off that broken-ass role and potentially lose the game right then and there.
Plus, with the bastard level of this game being low-ish, I'm fairly confident this role isn't in the game.
So, then, what is Dave's role? Let's find out.
VOTE: Lollipop Dave
Sure thing. Summoning bullet list:
1. Somehow missed who actually died during Night 1, and questions the notion of a killing role other than the wolves when it is made practically explicit in our role PMs.
2. Actually approved of Lollipop Dave's baker fluff. It's pretty much nothing, but he's the only person I've seen kinda defend it.
3. His playstyle is to purely bandwagon voting and sheeping people out of nowhere.
4. What the hell was this?
Out of everyone in this game, batsnacks is the one alive who has acted the scummiest and, looking back, a lot of other people scum read him, so I'd be interested just why you think he's been playing in a pro-town way.
Septimus Prime
Member
That is pretty weird. It doesn't read as scum to me, per se, but what the hell?
batsnacks is definitely still near, if not at, the top of my list because of this stuff.
I can understand how me blatantly sheeping people when nothing else was going on in the thread could seem weird. I was just trying to gauge how strongly people believed things they were saying. I sheeped kingkitty's vote and kingkitty seemed weirded out but was happy enough to get support. Darryl reacted in a way I thought could indicate he was a wolf, so that's what I chased.
I don't think it's fair to say that my playstyle this game has been "purely bandwagon voting" though because all of my reasons for trying to lynch who I thought was a wolf (Darryl) were original and based on my early voting shenanigans. The sheep votes were just a phase when I didn't feel I had strong enough reads and wanted more information.
I hope that makes sense.
I don't think it's fair to say that my playstyle this game has been "purely bandwagon voting" though because all of my reasons for trying to lynch who I thought was a wolf (Darryl) were original and based on my early voting shenanigans. The sheep votes were just a phase when I didn't feel I had strong enough reads and wanted more information.
I hope that makes sense.
imo bat's behavior being weird is why I am leaning town for him. It's weird but not in an awkward way. Scum don't want to draw attention to themselves, and he could have just as easily said "these are my reasons for voting Darryl" and left it at that. Instead he went in the most roundabout way possible. He drew attention to himself in easily avoidable ways.
Not going to 100% say town, but I'd be surprised if he flipped scum.
Not going to 100% say town, but I'd be surprised if he flipped scum.
CornBurrito
Member
You know maybe some scum players just aren't very great at the game yet.
I couldn't have done this. My reasons for voting Darryl were because of his responses to my weird posts.
D2 and I don't have particularly strong reads on anyone so far, so I'll order by my own measurement of likelihood of being town.
60% Town
01 [m] CrimsonFist - New
He was active, contributive and had what I viewed as a pro-town agenda on D1, the way Drop deputized him I had problems with, but in the end, I think this would be quite the strange scum play to be deputized so early in the game. The double vote was useful on D1, so it's power is available right now, I still don't agree with completely getting rid of it though.
17 [m]El Topo Burbeting
I'm not gonna lie, El Topo for his brief tenure here was more of what I expected, and was already feeling him as town. Burb has come in and acted as normal Burb. That is a very useful thing for town, and so far I'm happy he subbed in. Has been probing players on their shit and asking the right questions.
03 [m] Style - New
This could be against my better judgement, but I feel that the whole exchange between Style and I proved that he was town because it was so damn stupid and a scum chat would have probably stopped him before it got that bad. I have a serious problem with how he undermined his own vote at the end of the day phase though, and frankly any more of that bullshit and I'll resort to policy lynching for anti-town behaviour.
22 [m] *Splinter
I've thought Splinter has been pretty good all game, there was a weird moment where he voted Darryl towards the end of D1 for nothing more than to stir some madness, but other than that, I think he has been a positive force in the universe.
40% Town:
05 [m] FluxWaveZ - New
I was on him in D1 because I felt he took too much of a step back after being at the forefront of discussion in the first game, and I don't agree with the reasons why he took a step back, but over the course of the game, he has developed to be someone who I listen to when he posts, offering decent points and insight. There's a little part of me that thinks he was scum and adjusting, but it's nothing more but a worry.
04 [m] Lollipop Dave - New
Still believe being this audacious with fluff is more an anti-scumtell. It's still up in the air if I consider Dave town (I haven't discounted neutral yet) but I don't think he's scum. I need to go back and check but he seemed to believe Makai thought he was baker on his own, without Makai saying anything further. I know Dave is a new player, he said as much in the last scum chat, so that proves to me he either is a baker (obviously not the kind in the wiki) or he somehow read up on it....where people like Time, Burb and I never knew such a role existed.
28 [m] Boo Boo 'n - New
Thought he was weird in D1, making silly errors and just generally coming off aloof and scummy, but I have since went easier on him. I still believe he could be a neutral/scum, but he has also made some valid posts and points. Enough to hold off pressing him for now.
Post for reference:
This was before Makai responded to the soft claims. Though not long before, I've not ruled out a Makai/Dave working together theory.
12 [m] Septimus Prime
I don't know if Septimus has taken roids or been reading the dictionary like White Goodman, but he's stepped up significantly from Archer this game. I take this both as a potential scumtell, and a non-scumtell. He could be sharper because he's collaberating with scumchat on how to proceed, or he could be sharper because people improving at things they do more of in life is a real thing, look at me I'm quite the wanker. Zing!
16 [m] CornBurrito
After re-examining CB's behaviour at the end of D1, I'm currently back on him as leaning town. He was indecisive, but not bandwagoney. He seemed to mostly use his vote as a tiebreaker. There's still odd things like so easily deferring to me on Darryl, but right now that's a slight scratch on a relatively sexy bareback.
08 [m] RobotNinjaHornets
He would have been in my lowest town denomination had it not been for a few pretty decent, reasonable posts he's made today. He had the sense to realize that if the Baker is in this game, it sure as hell isn't in the bastard wiki variant. I'd still like him to contribute more, but recent events have me optimistic on him.
20% Town:
I'll summarise less with these, because I've looked at the list and it's fucking huge. Here we go:
02 [m] Xamtheking - New
I can't get over the end of D1 behaviour, he did this in game one as well, we were all laughing in the scum chat when Xam was essentially chucking himself into the fire (the last laugh we ever had as a team....) but I'm sort of on the Style 'too dumb to be scum' reasoning. I'm just a whole lot less certain because he has been a hell of a lot more suspicious.
06 [m] CzarTim
I think Tim has made some helpful posts but there's a strange disconnect that's there. It feels like he's saying enough to be accepted by the majority, but nothing too damning to really become a town leader. I really hoped when he was confirmed as playing he'd be alongside me as the most active, because relying on me to lead is always a terrific fucking tragedy in the making. I'm really getting quite a neutral read from him (alignment not null)
09 [m] ultron87
Eh, a scum sleepwalker flipping doesn't particularly help his case, but I don't know if I am willing to believe that there are two scum sleepwalkers. I do find ultron odd, though I'm not as hard on him as D1. I did call him out on clearing all Darryl bandwagoners and he failed to answer me, but he eventually did when Burb brought it up.
10 [m] MattyG
Still hasn't really been present. Null read.
11 [f] StarSketch
StarSketch is currently a good lynch choice. This is the very start of D2 though, and we've got quite a bit of time to get further discussion, so people hopping on her ass so early is interesting. I think she needs it though, because it might kick her into action. She'll unleash dual wielded uzis and start shooting up the village like any good aggressive townie should. Metaphorically, of course.
13 [m] QuantumBro
QuestionBro initially brought up the idea of Baker being a real role. After Makai posting the role definition, I have a really hard time believing QB thought this was a genuine role in this game, seen very much as the least Bastard out of the three games (it is what it was sold as). It seems very much like trying to introduce confusion among town. I also didn't like how he quoted Makai's entire post, said 'I agree' and then just removed a vote without placing a new one. Get your vote on someone and offer more. Suspicious.
14 [m] Timeaisis
I get town vibes from Time, but he's not posted enough to get up in the higher denominations. I'll be keeping an eye and I'm hopeful he will keep contributing. He has picked up from D1 at the very least.
15 [m] GreatLord Tiger
Complains about bandwagons, subsequently bandwagons the shit out of every motherfucker under heat (except Darryl). I don't know if there's scum here, but it definitely doesn't feel townie. Could be neutral, perhaps?
19 [m] Makai
Nope. I don't like how Makai did the soft claim, then immediately went off on one when people rightly questioned it after he and Dave surviving the night. He then goes after me, for role fishing. I guess technically I was, but when you soft claim like that you better expect suspicion, it's bad play just to casually ignore that shit. Other than this, plays like Makai, Never quite under suspicion and quietly keeping up. I'm weary of this.
20 [m] batsnacks
His Darryl play was bold in some ways, but in the end I questioned the conclusions he made from it. I made it clear to bats why Darryl would have reacted to him so aggressively as town, and I was proven to be right in my suspicions that Darryl was actually town. He slipped up about the 2 kills, but slips aren't a scumtell, just annoying for town. I do get a weird vibe from bats so far this game, but nothing to actively go after yet. I still think his experience is valuable to us, and unless I have some solid evidence against him, I will be looking for him to discuss without me having to go after him.
23 [m] Rats Off To Ya
Understandably quiet the first day, but I think he's town mainly because he went after ultron when no one else was particularly interested. It's in town play to go after a target you think is scum, and through D1 and a bit of D2 (seems to have let up now) that Rats believed he'd found scum. He's in the bottom group for low post count reasons.
24 [m] Zippedpinhead
Disagree with what he said on the theoretical doctor behaviour, I read back through his posts in D1 and while I thought he was originally town, now I feel like there's a chance of scum. Some earlier posts here have indicated that zipped reads as scum quite a lot despite flipping town, so there's that to consider.
25 [f] Swamped
I feel swamped is playing like she would be as mafia queen. Actively calling out for deputy was weird, and she hasn't done any alliances, which proves she either listens to me (I'm a drunk, she's crazy [in love aww]) or she's not trying to attract so much pointless attention to herself. She's been contributive enough to avoid true heat, but she was also pretty contributive in those games she was mafia queen. When I see more alarming red flags be raised, I'll push on her....INTO THE VILLAGE WELL!
26 [m] kingkitty
I was with kitty in D1, because he was helping me do my job of prodding inactives. I do read slight town on him, but after reading his posts again, I also see a lot of safe posts and not a lot of sticking his neck out for the greater good.
29 [m] Fireblend
Fireblend has been weird in this game, it feels like he's here but not really. Drifting without a proactive voice. He just kind of appears, makes some comments which are agreeable enough but not memorable then disappears again.
TL;DR
Top Town: Splinter, Burb, Crimson
Top Scum: Swamped, Makai, GreatLord Tiger, QuantumBro
There, best of both worlds. Everyone happy?
With that,
VOTE: Fireblend
Top Town/Top Scum. Go, motherfucker!
I want you to pass your vote on once you submit, because I want people to offer their suspects and helpers.
60% Town
01 [m] CrimsonFist - New
He was active, contributive and had what I viewed as a pro-town agenda on D1, the way Drop deputized him I had problems with, but in the end, I think this would be quite the strange scum play to be deputized so early in the game. The double vote was useful on D1, so it's power is available right now, I still don't agree with completely getting rid of it though.
17 [m]
I'm not gonna lie, El Topo for his brief tenure here was more of what I expected, and was already feeling him as town. Burb has come in and acted as normal Burb. That is a very useful thing for town, and so far I'm happy he subbed in. Has been probing players on their shit and asking the right questions.
03 [m] Style - New
This could be against my better judgement, but I feel that the whole exchange between Style and I proved that he was town because it was so damn stupid and a scum chat would have probably stopped him before it got that bad. I have a serious problem with how he undermined his own vote at the end of the day phase though, and frankly any more of that bullshit and I'll resort to policy lynching for anti-town behaviour.
22 [m] *Splinter
I've thought Splinter has been pretty good all game, there was a weird moment where he voted Darryl towards the end of D1 for nothing more than to stir some madness, but other than that, I think he has been a positive force in the universe.
40% Town:
05 [m] FluxWaveZ - New
I was on him in D1 because I felt he took too much of a step back after being at the forefront of discussion in the first game, and I don't agree with the reasons why he took a step back, but over the course of the game, he has developed to be someone who I listen to when he posts, offering decent points and insight. There's a little part of me that thinks he was scum and adjusting, but it's nothing more but a worry.
04 [m] Lollipop Dave - New
Still believe being this audacious with fluff is more an anti-scumtell. It's still up in the air if I consider Dave town (I haven't discounted neutral yet) but I don't think he's scum. I need to go back and check but he seemed to believe Makai thought he was baker on his own, without Makai saying anything further. I know Dave is a new player, he said as much in the last scum chat, so that proves to me he either is a baker (obviously not the kind in the wiki) or he somehow read up on it....where people like Time, Burb and I never knew such a role existed.
28 [m] Boo Boo 'n - New
Thought he was weird in D1, making silly errors and just generally coming off aloof and scummy, but I have since went easier on him. I still believe he could be a neutral/scum, but he has also made some valid posts and points. Enough to hold off pressing him for now.
Post for reference:
This was before Makai responded to the soft claims. Though not long before, I've not ruled out a Makai/Dave working together theory.
12 [m] Septimus Prime
I don't know if Septimus has taken roids or been reading the dictionary like White Goodman, but he's stepped up significantly from Archer this game. I take this both as a potential scumtell, and a non-scumtell. He could be sharper because he's collaberating with scumchat on how to proceed, or he could be sharper because people improving at things they do more of in life is a real thing, look at me I'm quite the wanker. Zing!
16 [m] CornBurrito
After re-examining CB's behaviour at the end of D1, I'm currently back on him as leaning town. He was indecisive, but not bandwagoney. He seemed to mostly use his vote as a tiebreaker. There's still odd things like so easily deferring to me on Darryl, but right now that's a slight scratch on a relatively sexy bareback.
08 [m] RobotNinjaHornets
He would have been in my lowest town denomination had it not been for a few pretty decent, reasonable posts he's made today. He had the sense to realize that if the Baker is in this game, it sure as hell isn't in the bastard wiki variant. I'd still like him to contribute more, but recent events have me optimistic on him.
20% Town:
I'll summarise less with these, because I've looked at the list and it's fucking huge. Here we go:
02 [m] Xamtheking - New
I can't get over the end of D1 behaviour, he did this in game one as well, we were all laughing in the scum chat when Xam was essentially chucking himself into the fire (the last laugh we ever had as a team....) but I'm sort of on the Style 'too dumb to be scum' reasoning. I'm just a whole lot less certain because he has been a hell of a lot more suspicious.
06 [m] CzarTim
I think Tim has made some helpful posts but there's a strange disconnect that's there. It feels like he's saying enough to be accepted by the majority, but nothing too damning to really become a town leader. I really hoped when he was confirmed as playing he'd be alongside me as the most active, because relying on me to lead is always a terrific fucking tragedy in the making. I'm really getting quite a neutral read from him (alignment not null)
09 [m] ultron87
Eh, a scum sleepwalker flipping doesn't particularly help his case, but I don't know if I am willing to believe that there are two scum sleepwalkers. I do find ultron odd, though I'm not as hard on him as D1. I did call him out on clearing all Darryl bandwagoners and he failed to answer me, but he eventually did when Burb brought it up.
10 [m] MattyG
Still hasn't really been present. Null read.
11 [f] StarSketch
StarSketch is currently a good lynch choice. This is the very start of D2 though, and we've got quite a bit of time to get further discussion, so people hopping on her ass so early is interesting. I think she needs it though, because it might kick her into action. She'll unleash dual wielded uzis and start shooting up the village like any good aggressive townie should. Metaphorically, of course.
13 [m] QuantumBro
QuestionBro initially brought up the idea of Baker being a real role. After Makai posting the role definition, I have a really hard time believing QB thought this was a genuine role in this game, seen very much as the least Bastard out of the three games (it is what it was sold as). It seems very much like trying to introduce confusion among town. I also didn't like how he quoted Makai's entire post, said 'I agree' and then just removed a vote without placing a new one. Get your vote on someone and offer more. Suspicious.
14 [m] Timeaisis
I get town vibes from Time, but he's not posted enough to get up in the higher denominations. I'll be keeping an eye and I'm hopeful he will keep contributing. He has picked up from D1 at the very least.
15 [m] GreatLord Tiger
Complains about bandwagons, subsequently bandwagons the shit out of every motherfucker under heat (except Darryl). I don't know if there's scum here, but it definitely doesn't feel townie. Could be neutral, perhaps?
19 [m] Makai
Nope. I don't like how Makai did the soft claim, then immediately went off on one when people rightly questioned it after he and Dave surviving the night. He then goes after me, for role fishing. I guess technically I was, but when you soft claim like that you better expect suspicion, it's bad play just to casually ignore that shit. Other than this, plays like Makai, Never quite under suspicion and quietly keeping up. I'm weary of this.
20 [m] batsnacks
His Darryl play was bold in some ways, but in the end I questioned the conclusions he made from it. I made it clear to bats why Darryl would have reacted to him so aggressively as town, and I was proven to be right in my suspicions that Darryl was actually town. He slipped up about the 2 kills, but slips aren't a scumtell, just annoying for town. I do get a weird vibe from bats so far this game, but nothing to actively go after yet. I still think his experience is valuable to us, and unless I have some solid evidence against him, I will be looking for him to discuss without me having to go after him.
23 [m] Rats Off To Ya
Understandably quiet the first day, but I think he's town mainly because he went after ultron when no one else was particularly interested. It's in town play to go after a target you think is scum, and through D1 and a bit of D2 (seems to have let up now) that Rats believed he'd found scum. He's in the bottom group for low post count reasons.
24 [m] Zippedpinhead
Disagree with what he said on the theoretical doctor behaviour, I read back through his posts in D1 and while I thought he was originally town, now I feel like there's a chance of scum. Some earlier posts here have indicated that zipped reads as scum quite a lot despite flipping town, so there's that to consider.
25 [f] Swamped
I feel swamped is playing like she would be as mafia queen. Actively calling out for deputy was weird, and she hasn't done any alliances, which proves she either listens to me (I'm a drunk, she's crazy [in love aww]) or she's not trying to attract so much pointless attention to herself. She's been contributive enough to avoid true heat, but she was also pretty contributive in those games she was mafia queen. When I see more alarming red flags be raised, I'll push on her....INTO THE VILLAGE WELL!
26 [m] kingkitty
I was with kitty in D1, because he was helping me do my job of prodding inactives. I do read slight town on him, but after reading his posts again, I also see a lot of safe posts and not a lot of sticking his neck out for the greater good.
29 [m] Fireblend
Fireblend has been weird in this game, it feels like he's here but not really. Drifting without a proactive voice. He just kind of appears, makes some comments which are agreeable enough but not memorable then disappears again.
TL;DR
Top Town: Splinter, Burb, Crimson
Top Scum: Swamped, Makai, GreatLord Tiger, QuantumBro
There, best of both worlds. Everyone happy?
With that,
VOTE: Fireblend
Top Town/Top Scum. Go, motherfucker!
I want you to pass your vote on once you submit, because I want people to offer their suspects and helpers.
Small aside here, I brought this up with Palmer like an hour into the day phase, and he instantly assumed I was an idiot and everything was working. Did I say Palmer was a dick?
Why is scum dumb to kill Drop?
Crimson might not have been seriously considered last night, it very well would have been a case of 'let's kill the confirmed town'
Lollipop Dave
Member
You know what he is and could save it for another night, I would have took a shot in the dark and killed someone else with the potential of killing a town aligned power role. But I guess that means they might also have killed a SK or some other beneficial role.
Yes, there were other options. I wouldn't say it was dumb though. It was one option of a few.
Also SK may not be a 'beneficial role' especially if it was a SK who killed Terra. Time will tell on that theory.
We can also maybe ask if you know....someone has received any bread?
Post onslaught of me, accept my dominance!
It's up there in Septimus' post, but just because the Baker wouldn't be in this game as the wiki definition, it doesn't alter the fact the role itself could still be present, just with a different win condition/alignment.
This not being bastard proves it's not in the game in it's wiki form, nothing to stop it from being in the game in another form, though.
It's up there in Septimus' post, but just because the Baker wouldn't be in this game as the wiki definition, it doesn't alter the fact the role itself could still be present, just with a different win condition/alignment.
This not being bastard proves it's not in the game in it's wiki form, nothing to stop it from being in the game in another form, though.
Lollipop Dave
Member
Well, apart from me basically saying that it was just fluff on D1.
Nonsense, absolute nonsense. That involves trusting you.
CrimsonFist
Member
I'm inclined to think that there isn't a baker, Dave was just having fun with it and Makai was getting paranoid over nothing. The role could be in the game in another form, but if it isn't Dave, then there's really no reason to entertain the possibility unless other hints of it come up. Seeing as Dave said it was fluff on D1, why would he give it away his role in that way?
CrimsonFist
Member
Also, working on a reads post, as I said yesterday, but it will probably take a while.
CrimsonFist
Member
I'm inclined to believe that at least one of the sleepwalkers is lying at least. I don't believe that there would be three.
No idea which though. Yesterday I said that Xam seemed the less trustworthy of the two, I'm not really sure any more.
I'm still not really sure what they'd stand to gain from role claiming either. Especially if one of them is scum, where they would have already known that there was a scum sleepwalker. Although maybe that's why they felt safe in doing so, since it would have been a real role, and the real sleepwalker wouldn't have called them out on it. But then I still don't see any benefit to doing that, especially since you risk the real sleepwalker flipping, which would just bring more suspicion, which is exactly what's happening now.
No idea which though. Yesterday I said that Xam seemed the less trustworthy of the two, I'm not really sure any more.
I'm still not really sure what they'd stand to gain from role claiming either. Especially if one of them is scum, where they would have already known that there was a scum sleepwalker. Although maybe that's why they felt safe in doing so, since it would have been a real role, and the real sleepwalker wouldn't have called them out on it. But then I still don't see any benefit to doing that, especially since you risk the real sleepwalker flipping, which would just bring more suspicion, which is exactly what's happening now.
CrimsonFist
Member
Ok, I said I'd do a reads list today, going through I'm realising that there's a lot of people I don't really have much of a read on, or who haven't really said too much or stood out, but I feel like I should at least try to give a brief comment on everyone. I will fully admit that I did just skim through User's post pages at times, and I focused mostly on today, so I may have missed a few things, also this took ages and I was losing focus towards the end, so quite a few of these aren't overly substantial or helpful. Still, doing this at least helped me get a better handle on posters who I haven't really noticed much, even if it doesn't help anyone else:
Cabot: Has been the most active poster by quite a large margin. Day 1 he was leading the discussion for a good part of the day. Today so far he's been poking suspicious players and generally contributing.
CornBurrito: Was one of the more suspected people on day 1 due to his focus on Darryl, who turned out to be town.
Batsnacks: Gathered quite a bit of suspicion due to some odd posts yesterday. I'm inclined to think that anything "blatantly scummy" on day 1 is probably too obvious, but then maybe I'm just overestimating scum ¯\_(ツ
_/¯. Today he's been better, although he's still made some odd posts, thinking that scum might have killed Terrabyte, and I'm not sure where he got the idea that scum had two kills last game, or why they might this game.
CzarTim: No read. Doesn't seem to have contributed much yet today.
Style: I poked him a bit yesterday due to him not really contributing much, and he did pick up a bit towards the end of the day, even if he did make that odd post after Darryl got lynched. To be honest, knowing him outside of the game, that seems fairly in character and not something I choose to read too much into, even if it does come across as rather odd. He seems oddly focused on the idea that the fact that I'm sheriff makes me suspicious.
MattyG: Someone I don't think I've seen much discussion about, I guess because there's not really much to discuss, since he's barely posted. None of his posts today at least seem overly insightful either. - not much to go on at all, I'd like to see you post more.
Greatlord Tiger: Hasn't posted at all today, didn't vote Darryl to avoid being seen as bandwagoning, but felt the need to point that out. Also jumped on the Xam and Ultron bandwagons, so I guess he could have felt that jumping on those two, and then switching to Darryl too would be seen as too bandwagony and scummy, but I still don't see why he felt the need to point that out.
Rats Off To Ya: Nothing stands out from today.
Zippedpinhead: Made some odd assumptions, like the possibility of a potential doctor not protecting the obvious target, or the possibility of multiple killing factions. Don't really feel like there's much to go on tbh.
RobotNinjaHornets: Said bad things about Okami in the recruitment thread - scum
Also barely posted today, so no real reads.
Fireblend: Made a few posts today, nothing to really complain about, nothing that really stands out either.
Timeaisis: Not posted much, like Batsnacks thinks that the scum have two kills per night. It seems a bit unlikely to me that the doctor would both not target drop, and would manage to guess who scum would put a hypothetical second kill on, when there wasn't really much else to go on. Maybe Makai's "soft claim" (at the time at least), but still makes a few too many assumptions for my liking. Otherwise seems to have been more active today than I thought.
Boo Boo'n: For some reason I thought that he'd been more active than he actually has. Has made a few absolute statements without really giving much reasoning though.
Septimus Prime: Was away for a lot of yesterday. His idea to flip Dave just to see what happens strikes me as kind of odd, seeing as Dave himself never made any sort of actual claim to be a baker, and was upfront about it being fluff on day 1. Aside from that, no real thoughts.
The sleepwalker issue:
Xamtheking: was second to claim, but was also the more active of the two on day 1. Honestly, at this point I'm willing to put down a lot of his actions to being new. TBH, a lot of his posts kind of back that up. He's at least been contributing quite a bit. - less scummy than first thought.
Ultron87: Was first to claim, and has overall been less active. His posts today have been fine and he's actually made one or two decent contributions, but there's not really all that much to go on, aside from the sleepwalker claimer.
StarSketch: Probably one of the most suspicious right now due to her impulsive vote on Darryl, and general lack of activity and attentiveness. I might be willing to accept that this was just down to Thanksgiving, but she still has yet to make a solid contribution.
*Splinter: One of the most active posters, I don't really see anything I take issue with. Being very active in general makes me assume that posters are more likely town, or at least playing in a pro town way.
Burbeting: Again, high poster, decent content, seems to be poking others and moving discussion forward, so likely town.
FluxwaveZ: I commented on his lack of contribution yesterday, but today he seems a lot more active, posting a lot and calling out things that need elaboration. Certainly leaning more pro town than I was yesterday.
Kingkitty: Not posted much, but his posts have been fairly substantial. Guess I need to see him post more, but I don't see anything much in his posts that I take issue with.
Swamped: Again, nothing I really take issue with right now, so no strong read either way.
And finally, the Baker issue:
Lollipop Dave: I don't believe that Dave is a baker, I'll take what he said about it just being fluff at face value. Aside from that, he has been using it to pad his posts a bit and give himself a bit of presence where he'd otherwise have likely been overlooked, which strikes me as a rather poor move for scum to make. I wouldn't really expect any major gambits like that on day 1.
Makai: Now this is where I'm not so sure on. The easiest answer is that Makai took Dave's fluff too literally, suspected that he was a baker, got worried that we'd lynch him and so made that comment in defence of him. It was a bit pre-emptive if that was the case, but then it would have been pre-emptive regardless of his reasons for wanting to defend Dave. The other possibility is of course that they're allied in some way. Dave readily admitting that it was fluff makes me think that he wasn't in on it if they were allied.
Cabot: Has been the most active poster by quite a large margin. Day 1 he was leading the discussion for a good part of the day. Today so far he's been poking suspicious players and generally contributing.
CornBurrito: Was one of the more suspected people on day 1 due to his focus on Darryl, who turned out to be town.
Batsnacks: Gathered quite a bit of suspicion due to some odd posts yesterday. I'm inclined to think that anything "blatantly scummy" on day 1 is probably too obvious, but then maybe I'm just overestimating scum ¯\_(ツ
_/¯. Today he's been better, although he's still made some odd posts, thinking that scum might have killed Terrabyte, and I'm not sure where he got the idea that scum had two kills last game, or why they might this game. CzarTim: No read. Doesn't seem to have contributed much yet today.
Style: I poked him a bit yesterday due to him not really contributing much, and he did pick up a bit towards the end of the day, even if he did make that odd post after Darryl got lynched. To be honest, knowing him outside of the game, that seems fairly in character and not something I choose to read too much into, even if it does come across as rather odd. He seems oddly focused on the idea that the fact that I'm sheriff makes me suspicious.
MattyG: Someone I don't think I've seen much discussion about, I guess because there's not really much to discuss, since he's barely posted. None of his posts today at least seem overly insightful either. - not much to go on at all, I'd like to see you post more.
Greatlord Tiger: Hasn't posted at all today, didn't vote Darryl to avoid being seen as bandwagoning, but felt the need to point that out. Also jumped on the Xam and Ultron bandwagons, so I guess he could have felt that jumping on those two, and then switching to Darryl too would be seen as too bandwagony and scummy, but I still don't see why he felt the need to point that out.
Rats Off To Ya: Nothing stands out from today.
Zippedpinhead: Made some odd assumptions, like the possibility of a potential doctor not protecting the obvious target, or the possibility of multiple killing factions. Don't really feel like there's much to go on tbh.
RobotNinjaHornets: Said bad things about Okami in the recruitment thread - scum
Also barely posted today, so no real reads.
Fireblend: Made a few posts today, nothing to really complain about, nothing that really stands out either.
Timeaisis: Not posted much, like Batsnacks thinks that the scum have two kills per night. It seems a bit unlikely to me that the doctor would both not target drop, and would manage to guess who scum would put a hypothetical second kill on, when there wasn't really much else to go on. Maybe Makai's "soft claim" (at the time at least), but still makes a few too many assumptions for my liking. Otherwise seems to have been more active today than I thought.
Boo Boo'n: For some reason I thought that he'd been more active than he actually has. Has made a few absolute statements without really giving much reasoning though.
Septimus Prime: Was away for a lot of yesterday. His idea to flip Dave just to see what happens strikes me as kind of odd, seeing as Dave himself never made any sort of actual claim to be a baker, and was upfront about it being fluff on day 1. Aside from that, no real thoughts.
The sleepwalker issue:
Xamtheking: was second to claim, but was also the more active of the two on day 1. Honestly, at this point I'm willing to put down a lot of his actions to being new. TBH, a lot of his posts kind of back that up. He's at least been contributing quite a bit. - less scummy than first thought.
Ultron87: Was first to claim, and has overall been less active. His posts today have been fine and he's actually made one or two decent contributions, but there's not really all that much to go on, aside from the sleepwalker claimer.
StarSketch: Probably one of the most suspicious right now due to her impulsive vote on Darryl, and general lack of activity and attentiveness. I might be willing to accept that this was just down to Thanksgiving, but she still has yet to make a solid contribution.
*Splinter: One of the most active posters, I don't really see anything I take issue with. Being very active in general makes me assume that posters are more likely town, or at least playing in a pro town way.
Burbeting: Again, high poster, decent content, seems to be poking others and moving discussion forward, so likely town.
FluxwaveZ: I commented on his lack of contribution yesterday, but today he seems a lot more active, posting a lot and calling out things that need elaboration. Certainly leaning more pro town than I was yesterday.
Kingkitty: Not posted much, but his posts have been fairly substantial. Guess I need to see him post more, but I don't see anything much in his posts that I take issue with.
Swamped: Again, nothing I really take issue with right now, so no strong read either way.
And finally, the Baker issue:
Lollipop Dave: I don't believe that Dave is a baker, I'll take what he said about it just being fluff at face value. Aside from that, he has been using it to pad his posts a bit and give himself a bit of presence where he'd otherwise have likely been overlooked, which strikes me as a rather poor move for scum to make. I wouldn't really expect any major gambits like that on day 1.
Makai: Now this is where I'm not so sure on. The easiest answer is that Makai took Dave's fluff too literally, suspected that he was a baker, got worried that we'd lynch him and so made that comment in defence of him. It was a bit pre-emptive if that was the case, but then it would have been pre-emptive regardless of his reasons for wanting to defend Dave. The other possibility is of course that they're allied in some way. Dave readily admitting that it was fluff makes me think that he wasn't in on it if they were allied.
What do you think about QuestionBro?
Do you think there's anything valuable to take from my read?
Do you think there's anything valuable to take from my read?
CrimsonFist
Member
Oops, missed him somehow. I could see someone being familiar with the role possibly thinking that it was real, especially if they weren't really paying attention on day 1 and just saw that someone was being a baker. As for the unvote, the initial vote was simply prodding Makai to post: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=187435650&postcount=1123, seeing as Makai's post answered what was being asked, him unvoting dosen't seem too strange.
OK, didn't see that post. This is even more interesting. Now QB's reasoning and subsequent vote for Makai surely puts him on the side of Burb, Zipped and I in enquiring about his soft claim yet he doesn't call out QB on doing the same thing, going further than all three of us because he actually put a vote on him.
I re-read makai's long post again and he seems to genuinely believe that role would be present in the game. It's paranoia or malicious intent to confuse.
Why did QB get let off the hook when he was just as aggressive on your soft claim as the rest of us, Makai?
I re-read makai's long post again and he seems to genuinely believe that role would be present in the game. It's paranoia or malicious intent to confuse.
Why did QB get let off the hook when he was just as aggressive on your soft claim as the rest of us, Makai?
That's a good call on fireblend, he's been way off of my radar.
I also want to look more closely at Flux and Style. I find myself vehemently disagreeing with pretty much every post they make, and I need to see if this is an honest disagreement or them trying to sell bullshit.
I'm pretty suspect of anyone trying to throw shade at Dave on the grounds of his bakery fluff. I think this includes Flux and Style, amongst others. That's not to say Dave is above suspicion - someone (I think Time) had a good post against Dave that didn't rely on "fluff is scummy" arguments.
I also want to look more closely at Flux and Style. I find myself vehemently disagreeing with pretty much every post they make, and I need to see if this is an honest disagreement or them trying to sell bullshit.
I'm pretty suspect of anyone trying to throw shade at Dave on the grounds of his bakery fluff. I think this includes Flux and Style, amongst others. That's not to say Dave is above suspicion - someone (I think Time) had a good post against Dave that didn't rely on "fluff is scummy" arguments.
Yeah, I've been less active due to my thesis work - I pretty much only get to post while at work, and after 4-5PM it becomes difficult. That's why I usually post in the morning with impressions about stuff from the day before, which means at least you guys get my thoughts on most of what's happened at least.
Anyway, one of my non-memorable first posts of the day was pretty much a top scum post, I'll quote it here and update it below:
So, back then I was eyeing Style, Sketch and Dave. My feelings about them haven't changed much. Style hasn't really posted since - I did find it odd that he asked for clarification about what sleepwalkers were for - I think asking a question that they would post in the scum chat if they were scum in an attempt to get some clears from us would be too obvious - but on the other hand I do think it's a possibility worth thinking about
Sketch hasn't said much either and I remain worried because it's another "too obvious for scum" move to act like she did back then with the Darryl vote, though I think this is farther on the "too obvious" scale and I don't feel like lynching a newbie townie for a screw up. She'll quickly rise again in my scum list if she remains inactive though, I want her to get reading and get contributing.
Finally, I'm not super happy with the way Dave handled the baker stuff. I don't think for a second he has a PR related to bread, but I do believe he knew what he was doing and hinting at. I find it specially suspicious that even though he knew people were starting to believe his baker stuff was some sort of soft-claim on D1, he didn't do anything to correct them until the topic overtook the conversation and he saw he couldn't keep at it without speaking up.
I would also like to add Xam to my suspicious list because I was uncomfortable with the way he seemed to be crying for information during the baker discussion - scum would definitely be interested in the existence of such a role.
About my top town, I'd probably name Cabot, Crimson and Tim, the first 2 based on the fact that they've been participating and being generally pro-town, and Tim because even though he's not as active I feel like he's asking the right questions. Following them, I'd say maybe Burb, Splinter and Swamped though I'm less sure of them (actually, I could bump Burb to the first group, his avatar is adorable).
Finally, onto my vote: I don't super appreciate the vote change request, Cabot, but Septimus posted as requested and even though I wasn't super impressed with his answers, my vote is a lot less representative of my intentions now than it was when it was placed so it indeed has to move.
VOTE: Boo Boo'n
I don't have my sights set on you for today's lynch (yet?), but after a relatively productive D1 it feels like you've been posting too little this day and all you did was go straight after Xam which is where your vote has been sitting since. I want your reads.
Yeah, it is your vote. I was hoping it would be a sort of chain that would get everyone going with reads and feelings on the game so far. Why not prod it along with a vote?
I won't judge you if you want to change it again you responded in adequate time.
I'll fire, now.
VOTE: RobotNinjaHornets
You've had some good posts today, don't bask in the glory you muppet. You offered some thoughts on doctor/baker stuff, how about some reads? top town top scum?
Just how unmemorable is Fireblend?
How much do you hate his catvatar?
Why isn't he lynched yet?
What's your favourite colour?
And this is why asking for read lists is stupid. "Give me your top 3 scum, everyone." And then someone actually gives the group their top three who they actual suspect, and they are considered to be just picking easy targets to fill out their posts and look like they are fitting in.
It's rubbish.
But I digress, that's who I got. Read lists are just gut checks, anyway.
I just read this group of 'reads'
Well he certainly didnt parrot, but I mean can 'i feel it in my fingers, I feel it in my bones' be described as adequate reasoning?
It makes for a great lyric, but a bad read.
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