Torrent of Pork
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These motherfuckers who raped everything you loved about your childhood want more then you will ever earn to continue to rape every IP you ever cared about.
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Torrent of Pork
Banned
My response to all these unions.
Burn everything to the ground like you did everything I ever cared about as a child.
Burn everything to the ground like you did everything I ever cared about as a child.
Torrent of Pork
Banned
Bro I work 60 hours a week, and can come up with a more entertaining plotline than any of these capeshit writers.
Faust
Perpetually Tired
I wouldn't even say "capeshit". There have been great superhero movies. Just very few since before Endgame. Since 2012 the writing of films and TV dropped off the face of a cliff.
Torrent of Pork
Banned
Lesson 1 - Don't alienate the core audience.
Lesson 238 : Don't fucking alienate the core audience!
Torrent of Pork
Banned
I mean I don't want to be an ass, but everything is fucking trash.
HoodWinked
Member
it's wild they have this kind of leverage, there are all kinds of writers from all around the world that would die to write a script using these IPs and they would do it way better than the cartel of woke.
SJRB
Gold Member
It is inevitable and they know it, which is probably why they want to make as much bank as possible until their time is up.
DKehoe
Gold Member
No it's not.
Succession was great. I'm just about done with Better Call Saul and that's been great. I recently started The Bear and that's been great.
Ironbunny
Member
Percentually there is so much shit compared to good writing thats its like trying to find a breath of fresh air in a sewer system. And many shows that start with a good premise end up being a complete mess in the end. Good example is the season two of Foundation. It is all over the place tonaly and the writing is not witty or well written.
DKehoe
Gold Member
I don't really care how much bad stuff there is though. There's always been bad stuff and shows that fell off part way through, If there's enough good stuff for me to watch then I'm fine. Also, their point was that everything is trash. I was pointing out that's not the case.
I do think that the audience is less willing than ever to try things that aren't franchises or a remake/reboot of something from their childhood. And yeh maybe those remakes are poorly handled a lot of the time but I think regularly looking to stuff from your childhood for fulfilment is going to leave you feeling pretty empty.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
UPS drivers and now this. I think the lesson should be that unions help workers get some sick ass wages.
FunkMiller
Member
This whole thing has turned into a perfect storm of shit. Decreasing quality of writing in Hollywood + idiotic rush by the movie companies to convert to the streaming model = shit show of the highest order.
Liamario
Banned
Exactly. Very much highlights the greed of the leaders of business. I hope the writers get every dollar they can. The socioeconomic divide needs to be narrowed.
Drop a link to a ragebait video, become enraged by video. Yes, very helpful.
They're critical for productions regularly worth $100+ million. They work on a project to project basis, and that isn't equivalent to a salary, since there will typically be a lot of down time between projects where they're unpaid but developing ideas, honing their skills, and negotiating for the next project. The cost of living in the LA area, where they typically must be located in order to get attached to projects, is very high, and there will be a lot of uncertainty between projects where their finances are draining. They also have managers, agents, lawyers, etc., taking a cut.
If this makes you so upset, and you think they're so privileged, go become a writer and earn those cushy big bucks.
They're critical for productions regularly worth $100+ million. They work on a project to project basis, and that isn't equivalent to a salary, since there will typically be a lot of down time between projects where they're unpaid but developing ideas, honing their skills, and negotiating for the next project. The cost of living in the LA area, where they typically must be located in order to get attached to projects, is very high, and there will be a lot of uncertainty between projects where their finances are draining. They also have managers, agents, lawyers, etc., taking a cut.
If this makes you so upset, and you think they're so privileged, go become a writer and earn those cushy big bucks.
You know how some members are here, anything to do with unions has them frothing at the mouth.
VN1X
Banned
Can't really feel sorry for the people who use well-established properties as vehicles for activism and the like. Some of these franchises have been around since before these writers were born even lol.
When it's not popular IP that suffers from their ineptitude they instead resort to populating every other streaming service with as much of their own drivel as can be. Those at the top are to blame for this also of course. So I say let it all burn to the ground.
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
You're forgetting that it's the Execs who put the stamp of approval on the scripts... It's also the execs who tell the writers or show runner where they want things to go... The buck stops with the execs ... Not the writers.
Edit: I only saw the first paragraph of your post before replying. LMBO
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This really seems like the time to shift from movie/tv always being sub-contracted out to the gills (just look at how many studio logos are in the front of most projects) to going back to the long term "Studio employee" model where most of the folks work for specific studios and you will see the same writers, directors, and actors over and over on whatever that studio is making. Good for the folks that can get in the door, bad for everyone else who will not even get a shot. I can definitely see Netflix or Amazon going this route over paying hundreds of millions to folks like J.J. or the D&D guys from Game of Thrones for "content TBD" down the road. Hell, Taylor Sheridan is writing like 6 shows ATM and could practically fill an entire channel by himself.
Naturally the nature of a luxury market like this will attract money and "independent" productions, but if they up the cost of everything, will it just squeeze those folks out more? Residuals were nice because if something tanked the studio could bury it and take a tax loss or whatever. If it was a hit it generated ad revenue that covered the checks. Now though, streaming with a plethora of choice is BAD for the studio as they gotta host all that stuff and deal with residuals without any ad revenue, so increasing upfront production costs with no residuals means fewer productions in general or a move back to ad supported, subscriber subsidized channels.
Naturally the nature of a luxury market like this will attract money and "independent" productions, but if they up the cost of everything, will it just squeeze those folks out more? Residuals were nice because if something tanked the studio could bury it and take a tax loss or whatever. If it was a hit it generated ad revenue that covered the checks. Now though, streaming with a plethora of choice is BAD for the studio as they gotta host all that stuff and deal with residuals without any ad revenue, so increasing upfront production costs with no residuals means fewer productions in general or a move back to ad supported, subscriber subsidized channels.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
diffusionx
Gold Member
I didn’t watch The Bear but BCS was… ok (the wind down to the end was horrible). Succession was… ok. Like if Sopranos was 10/10 then these were 6-7/10. I can say with confidence I’ll never watch either again, whereas lots of people still to this day watch Sopranos.
Now obviously this stuff is subjective but yea, this stuff is promoted as the best because something has to be. There has to be a show of the moment whether it is The Bear, or White Lotus, or whatever, but is it really great or just the most talked about by default?
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Azurro
Banned
There are tons of activist writers in Hollywood hell bent on introducing their divisive, hateful ideology to all the existing IPs. Just because an exec approves a script doesn't mean the writers are not guilty of producing that garbage in the first place. I say let all the writers go back to being Starbucks baristas and waiters full time and bring in new people, let it burn.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
What exactly is hateful? I understand the shit with the Star Wars sequel trilogy... after Force Awakens, it went downhill FAST! I can even understand the early Star Trek Discovery (it got much better when Pike and crew came along) ... I fell asleep on the "live action" Lion King movie...
But what exactly is hateful in the writing?
DKehoe
Gold Member
I wouldn't say any of those are as good as The Sopranos either. But to me The Sopranos is the absolute top tier of television and so yeh that kind of quality is incredibly rare, just like it is in any medium. When The Sopranos came out it's not like there were a bunch of shows that were on that level. But I do think those shows were great or, in the case of the ones I haven't finished, what I've seen of them has been so far. Like you say it's obviously subjective. Those were just a couple examples of picked off the top of my head but my point was I see people talking about everything being trash these days and that's just not true.
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VulcanRaven
Member
You know there are over 10 000 writers in the union. Only a small number of them wrote the movies you don't like.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Exactly! It's like people think they all are rich or it's only a few people in the WGA
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
The writers making more doesn't bother me. The actors, however, make millions to play pretend and lie. At the end of the day, this will all fall on the consumer.
Azurro
Banned
I'm surprised I have to even explain it, but the writers just effing hate the IPs they work with and the fans and it shows up in the plots. A few examples:
1. Making all the older heroes broken, useless men that should make way for newer, "better", female characters. Look at what a broken man Luke Skywalker becomes.
2. The Witcher writers making fun of the source material and trying to sideline Geralt as much as they can because the character is an extremely competent white man.
3. They hate the fanbase, She Hulk even went as far as making the fanbase the big bad of their show
4. The writers routinely make plot decisions based on racist or sexist criteria: white characters are either stupid, or if they are competent, they are evil.
5. Routinely paint all men as predators and misogynists.
I can go on and on, that's why to me the writers can go to hell.
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Only a relative few of the actors make millions. There are THOUSANDS of actors in SAG-AFTRA.
ShadowNate
Member
The results of the strike are barely felt now. Come Autumn and further more, when series will start getting postponed or pushing out half finished episodes and calling it a day, it's more than likely that they'll get a better deal.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
They can wait tables between gigs then or go to trade school and actually learn a useful skill.
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VN1X
Banned
I mean maybe I've become jaded but there's about one or two mainstream films worth seeing every year nowadays, if that. It's a complete shitshow all around this decade (and the one before) will probably go down in history as one of the worst periods in filmmaking, creatively speaking, for Hollywood.
It doesn't really matter if it's 10.000 writers or a million when the end result remains a continual release of bottom tier entertainment.
Yeah, and most of those only work an acting gig for a few weeks/yr AT BEST. It isn't, and has never been, "a living" for those folks.
If you can land a speaking role on a network show for each episode, even at 10 eps a season, (which I think lasts more than 10 weeks as those shows are usually much more shooting intensive) you are pretty much guaranteed high 5 figures for the project at a minimum. BOOM, living expenses (if you are reasonable about the job and not thinking you are gonna be the next Will Smith) covered for the rest of the year and you can hunt for other work, get a despicable 'normie' job, or just meditate. Surely a sight better than the guy turning a wrench all year hoping to get the same amount, the teacher working 9 months out of the year, or the soldier/sailor doing their part.
Depends on how much foreign content the audience will accept. We'll see brit shows elevated from the doldrums of 'britbox' or BBC America, k-dramas racked deep and tall, and telenovelas by the bucket. The only limitation is the speed they can be dubbed (and I've little doubt AI will DECIMATE that industry almost completely) for the filthy casual unwilling to watch subtitles. Well also see any type of ridiculous sport get a show. From that insane Finnish human hobby horse stick riding crap to the dope Firefighter competitions, put all of that on prime time.
America is far from the only game in town these days, writer/actor leverage has NEVER been lower, the timing couldn't have been worse for this.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
They do. That's why they're striking.
FunkMiller
Member
Nope. It's a minority of writers working on well known IP, for a small percentage of production companies. And if you think it's more than that, then you don't have any insight into the entertainment industry beyond what social media is (wrongly) telling you. The Critical Drinker and Nerdrotic aren't industry insiders. They're clickbait artists.
I'm 100% behind the idea of the cretins responsible for things like The Witcher and Velma getting fired and never working again.
If the WGA actually gets its way on things like residuals and transparency then that's far more likely to happen.
But I know frothing at the mouth is more fun than actually appreciating the realties of the situation for a majority of people in this thread.
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OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
They can continue to do so then. Just like the rest of us.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
I knew a girl who had a job coding but also did bit parts in TV shows. I think she had a decent life. It isn't unreasonable to plan when you choose a career that has what is essentially seasonal work.
Hudo
Member
At the very least, you won't notice a drop in quality.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Those brilliant people behind Willow certainly deserve more money.
Azurro
Banned
Oh please, the total garbage that has been produced is just a product of "a few bad apples"? Really? Then how come pretty much every single IP has been processed by their woke machine? Are the pure, innocent writers that love the IPs just a victim of evil studios and have had to produce awful content?
Let me tell you, the sign that these writers are not just a few bad apples is reflected in the writer's room demands: having a minimum number of writers per show, with "diversity" requirements and with veto power over the content. They have freaking Adam Conover as one of the leaders.
I'm sorry for some of the few decent writers that have to exist in that union, but the whole union is captured by activist ideologues.
Toons
Member
Theres also reservation dogs, arcane, EEAAO from what I've heard the batman, the mission impossible movies, the planet of the apes, creed trilogy, several animated films and shows, and a bunch of other stuff that people conveniently ignore every time they make the silly "everything turned bad ten years ago" argument. Theres also been other good superhero movies but thats hardly the only thing being made. Heard good things about the bear and twisted metal. The green knight was great. Andor was fantastic and features one of my favorite monologues in the last decade, and stranger things is always enjoyable.
I feel like for many, saying that is just admitting you have been terminally online since then, not that there was some magic button switch where writers began to suck. Hell most of the crap coming out is made by the same folks whove been working for 20 to 25 years if not longer. We've only seen new writers in maybe the last 6 years and that's counting the covid years when no one was working.
But I've said all that already. If yall want AI writers go for it at this point someone's gonna try it. I csn almost guarantee it won't be any better than the state things are now. But maybe thats needed, and we can shift to a new film complex that is art driven and not money driven.
All thats happened is the target demographic has changed, and for the majority of folks here, you aren't in it anymore. This is going to happen to the current generation eventually too, and they'll call whatever is new then garbage too.
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Toons
Member
This also, how many shows got killed early on before even being given a chance because no one watched them?
Everyone lamenta the dominance of IP, but when something that isnt 80s nostalgia comes along, no one freaking watches it.
and I myself am not absolved from this but I try. People give lip service to the idea of new content that isn't a remake or reboot, but year in year out, remakes and reboots are the only s*** doing any real numbers at years end. Or stuff based on established IP. New stuff dies fast, 90% of the time.
Streaming simultaneously introduced an uncharted territory of opportunity but it didn't take long for corporations to ruin that too, locking shows behind so many subscriptions that it almost feels like cable wasn't so bad.
Cable, in turn, has died and only cop dramas starring washouts from the mid 2000s do any ratings. Everything else is wholly reliant on streaming to do numbers. Its a recipe for disaster
FunkMiller
Member
I get it. You’re angry at the way Star Wars/Star Trek/The Witcher/ MCU/Willow/Velma/Disney etc. have been hijacked by progressive activists to push an agenda that should not ever take priority in storytelling.
But do you realise how many writers there are actually working? How many tv shows and movies there are? How much content there actually is?
There‘s not a ‘few’ decent writers. There are many of them, and they are having their careers ruined by a combination of awful management from studios, and by association with the asshats you rightly take umbrage with.
Pray the WGA get what they want. Those asshats will be exposed and won’t work again.
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