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[Wildebeest]

Hey ChatGPT, how do I ruin a classic nerd IP by "reimagining" it in the most stupid way possible, so it is clear that I think I'm better than the fans?

 

[Azurro]

I get it. You’re angry at the way Star Wars/Star Trek/The Witcher/ MCU/Willow/Velma/Disney etc. have been hijacked by progressive activists to push an agenda that should not ever take priority in storytelling.

But do you realise how many writers there are actually working? How many tv shows and movies there are? How much content there actually is?

There‘s not a ‘few’ decent writers. There are many of them, and they are having their careers ruined by a combination of awful management from studios, and by association with the asshats you rightly take umbrage with.

Pray the WGA get what they want. Those asshats will be exposed and won’t work again.

It depends on what that is. Transparency on streaming numbers? Then yes, that'd be good for the entire industry.

However, the demand to have minimum diversity quotas and veto power for the writers sounds like they are just as intent on imposing their agenda as the producers and studio heads pushing for DEI initiatives. The entire Hollywood system needs to be purged of activists, they are killing their own industry.

Look, I'm unsure how you arrive to your conclusions, but the reality is, studios are routinely losing billions a year due to streaming. They thought they needed tons of content, hired tons of writers but now that the actual numbers are coming in, everything unprofitable is going to go away. There's going to be tons of writers fired no matter what because streaming is not the gold mine everyone thought it was going to be.

 

[FunkMiller]

Look, I'm unsure how you arrive to your conclusions, but the reality is, studios are routinely losing billions a year due to streaming. They thought they needed tons of content, hired tons of writers but now that the actual numbers are coming in, everything unprofitable is going to go away. There's going to be tons of writers fired no matter what because streaming is not the gold mine everyone thought it was going to be.

I live and work around many people who work in the entertainment industry, and used to work myself for one of the AMPTP companies.

Yes, they are losing a lot of money. But the fault does not lie with the writers or actors in any way, shape or form. It’s entirely down to companies greedily chasing the Netflix dollar ten years ago, and not thinking for one second about the consequences of doing so, in companies that are not structured in any way like Netflix.

The point of the strikes is to ensure in future that poor decision making by feckless fucking executives doesn’t destroy the lives of the actual people putting tv shows and movies together.

 

[Rentahamster]

Bro I work 60 hours a week, and can come up with a more entertaining plotline than any of these capeshit writers.

Why haven't you been hired yet?

 

[natjjohn]

We’ve been in a golden age of entertainment, particularly TV series. So much good stuff can never find time to watch it all.

However on GAF, apparently everything sucks and their screens have remained off for years. Also, nobody here could write something better.

 

[Azurro]

I live and work around many people who work in the entertainment industry, and used to work myself for one of the AMPTP companies.

Yes, they are losing a lot of money. But the fault does not lie with the writers or actors in any way, shape or form. It’s entirely down to companies greedily chasing the Netflix dollar ten years ago, and not thinking for one second about the consequences of doing so, in companies that are not structured in any way like Netflix.

The point of the strikes is to ensure in future that poor decision making by feckless fucking executives doesn’t destroy the lives of the actual people putting tv shows and movies together.

I don't know how you can say that the writers aren't at fault in any way. Just a small example, the writers in The Witcher had absolutely zero respect for the source material and ended up driving Henry Cavill away. The actors and directors? I think I'd get tired listing all the actors calling all the fans toxic and the characters dated, creepy, ists and phobes. Hello Rachel Zegler, Simon Pegg, Hulk actor, Viola Davis, Brie Larson, Angel Manuel Soto, etc. etc. etc.

When looking at the demands of the writers, it looks like accountability for themselves is nowhere near on the list.

Can I ask you something? Are the writers aware that popular support is non existent for them? That the audience see them as entitled a-holes that call them ists and phobes and also demand high sums of money from projects?

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Drop a link to a ragebait video, become enraged by video. Yes, very helpful.

They're critical for productions regularly worth $100+ million. They work on a project to project basis, and that isn't equivalent to a salary, since there will typically be a lot of down time between projects where they're unpaid but developing ideas, honing their skills, and negotiating for the next project. The cost of living in the LA area, where they typically must be located in order to get attached to projects, is very high, and there will be a lot of uncertainty between projects where their finances are draining. They also have managers, agents, lawyers, etc., taking a cut.

If this makes you so upset, and you think they're so privileged, go become a writer and earn those cushy big bucks.

Well written. Almost as if you had a writer draft it for you

I agree.

 

[DKehoe]

I don't know how you can say that the writers aren't at fault in any way. Just a small example, the writers in The Witcher had absolutely zero respect for the source material and ended up driving Henry Cavill away. The actors and directors? I think I'd get tired listing all the actors calling all the fans toxic and the characters dated, creepy, ists and phobes. Hello Rachel Zegler, Simon Pegg, Hulk actor, Viola Davis, Brie Larson, Angel Manuel Soto, etc. etc. etc.

When looking at the demands of the writers, it looks like accountability for themselves is nowhere near on the list.

Can I ask you something? Are the writers aware that popular support is non existent for them? That the audience see them as entitled a-holes that call them ists and phobes and also demand high sums of money from projects?

Where are you getting the idea that popular support for writers is non-existant? From a quick look just there it seems majority of people support the WGA and SAG-AFTRA in the strikes. I don't think the majority of people judge an entire industry based around what the actress in the new Snow White film says. It's just a very small but very vocal online minority who focus on that stuff.

 

[Honey Bunny]

I will never I will never support Hollywood writers

 

[Metnut]

If you think all of the writers suck then why do you care that they are striking?

 

[thefool]

UPS drivers and now this. I think the lesson should be that unions help workers get some sick ass wages.

What’s really sick will be your transportation bill when using their services.

 

[FunkMiller]

I don't know how you can say that the writers aren't at fault in any way. Just a small example, the writers in The Witcher had absolutely zero respect for the source material and ended up driving Henry Cavill away. The actors and directors? I think I'd get tired listing all the actors calling all the fans toxic and the characters dated, creepy, ists and phobes. Hello Rachel Zegler, Simon Pegg, Hulk actor, Viola Davis, Brie Larson, Angel Manuel Soto, etc. etc. etc.

When looking at the demands of the writers, it looks like accountability for themselves is nowhere near on the list.

Can I ask you something? Are the writers aware that popular support is non existent for them? That the audience see them as entitled a-holes that call them ists and phobes and also demand high sums of money from projects?

Who do you think hires those writers?

And who do you think only wants to hire writers who are cheap, and easy to manipulate?

Where do you think these agenda driven edicts are coming down from?

Who do you think is stifling other writers who dont believe agendas should drive content?

The fact you think support for writers against the studios is non existent tells me how much you are way too far down the YouTube and social media rabbit hole.

Again: Nerdrotic doesn’t have a fucking clue about anything.

 

[Punished Miku]

What’s really sick will be your transportation bill when using their services.

Fine with me. Push people to shop at brick and mortar instead. I don't really order a lot online anymore.

 

[Azurro]

Where are you getting the idea that popular support for writers is non-existant? From a quick look just there it seems majority of people support the WGA and SAG-AFTRA in the strikes. I don't think the majority of people judge an entire industry based around what the actress in the new Snow White film says. It's just a very small but very vocal online minority who focus on that stuff.

If it was a very small minority that doesn't like these

Who do you think hires those writers?

And who do you think only wants to hire writers who are cheap, and easy to manipulate?

Where do you think these agenda driven edicts are coming down from?

Who do you think is stifling other writers who dont believe agendas should drive content?

The fact you think support for writers against the studios is non existent tells me how much you are way too far down the YouTube and social media rabbit hole.

Again: Nerdrotic doesn’t have a fucking clue about anything.

Oh please, those poor, poor writers that have will and are so manipulated by evil, bad companies. It just doesn't fit with reality.

Studios definitely got in bed with DEI and other initiatives but that doesn't absolve the writers from being so incompetent at their jobs.

If popular support was there, the strike would have already ended, the product the writers and studios are making wouldn't be losing billions. Look at the hard data, Hollywood doesn't have good product so almost everything is bombing, they have lost the good will of the general public .

Hell, hacks like Steven Colbert and such have been off the air for three months and nobody cares. Nobody is scrambling to hire whoever wrote the vaccine dance bit I imagine.

I think the writers don't know the general public see them as entitled children.

 

[FunkMiller]

Oh please, those poor, poor writers that have will and are so manipulated by evil, bad companies. It just doesn't fit with reality.

What doesn't fit with reality is the hopelessly skewed perspective on this whole thing, driven by the fact the only place you're getting your information from is social media.

TV shows and movies require a green light to go into production from people at executive level. No writers green light work.

So who the hell do you think is responsible for only letting all the agenda driven shit get made?

You're targeting the wrong people.

You want better, classier, more talented writers? Pay them properly, make residuals transparent again, and open the industry up to more critical assessment.

 

[DKehoe]

If it was a very small minority that doesn't like these

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by this. I think you may have left that sentence unfinished?

 

[Mattyp]

Just let AI write it and be done with the entire fucking thing, let's see,

"Please write an original Netflix sitcom idea based around mid 20s demographic that live in New York with at least 1 gender fluid couple and 1 person of colour included who get into wacky adventures around love and awkward social interactions"

Title: "Mix, Mingle, & Manhattan"

Genre: Sitcom, Romantic Comedy

Logline:
In the heart of bustling New York City, a group of diverse and quirky friends in their mid-20s navigate the tumultuous waters of love, friendships, and awkward social situations. With a gender-fluid couple leading the way, and a person of color adding their unique perspective, get ready for a hilarious rollercoaster of wacky adventures that prove there's no shortage of mishaps on the road to romance.

Synopsis:
"Mix, Mingle, & Manhattan" follows the lives of five friends as they tackle the challenges of modern-day dating and friendship while living in a cramped yet cozy apartment building in the vibrant borough of Brooklyn. The show highlights their personal growth, self-discovery, and the strong bonds that develop among them.

Main Characters:

1. Alex - A charismatic and creative gender-fluid individual with an infectious sense of humor. They work as a graphic designer and are dating Jamie, a non-binary fashion blogger. Alex's quick wit and quirky ideas often lead the gang into wild and unconventional adventures.

2. Jamie - A fashion-forward, non-binary blogger with an eye for trends and a heart full of compassion. They are in a loving and supportive relationship with Alex. Jamie serves as the group's emotional rock, offering insightful advice and a listening ear when their friends need it most.

3. Maya - A confident and outspoken woman of color pursuing her dream of becoming a successful stand-up comedian. Maya's humor is both a defense mechanism and a way to connect with others, but her vulnerability shines through as she navigates the ups and downs of relationships and career.

4. Liam - A hopeless romantic and eternal optimist who works as a barista while secretly harboring dreams of becoming a musician. Liam often finds himself in awkward situations due to his over-the-top gestures of affection, but his genuine nature and unwavering loyalty make him endearing to his friends.

5. Emily - A determined law student with a no-nonsense attitude, striving to balance her studies and personal life. Emily's analytical approach to dating often clashes with the unpredictable nature of love, leading her to both hilarious and heartwarming encounters.

Episodic Structure:
Each episode presents a new adventure or predicament, often revolving around dating dilemmas, social mishaps, or personal growth moments. From accidentally crashing an upscale art gallery event to trying out speed dating at a quirky themed venue, the friends find themselves in hilarious and heartwarming scenarios that challenge their perspectives and bring them closer together.

Themes:
- Diversity and Representation: The show celebrates the uniqueness of each character, highlighting their experiences as gender-fluid, non-binary, and a person of color, respectively.
- Self-Discovery: The characters explore their identities, aspirations, and vulnerabilities as they navigate the complexities of adulthood.
- Friendship: The tight-knit group supports each other through thick and thin, showcasing the importance of chosen family.

"Mix, Mingle, & Manhattan" is a lighthearted sitcom that combines laugh-out-loud moments with heartfelt emotions, providing a fresh take on love, friendship, and the adventure of living in the city that never sleeps.

You're welcome Netflix.

 

[Dural]

UPS drivers and now this. I think the lesson should be that unions help workers get some sick ass wages.

Unions are garbage. My wife has been part of her union for 11 years now. In those 11 years she's gotten $5 in raises, $0.50/year and there was a freeze in there too. Everyone is equal in the union, so the laziest and stupidest employees make just as much as the best. You can cost the company $200,000 because of a stupid mistake (this happened two days ago at her work) but they can't fire you. She has lots of PTO but can never use it because there is always someone more senior taking time off. Want time off at any holiday? Too bad, more senior employees will always be taking that time off. If she was at almost any other job that was non-union she would be doing way better after 11 years.

The writers making more doesn't bother me. The actors, however, make millions to play pretend and lie. At the end of the day, this will all fall on the consumer.

I love it when you have actors millions while everyone else on the set is making a fraction of what they make, then you have these same people bitching about CEOs wages compared to their employees.

 

[jason10mm]

Just let AI write it and be done with the entire fucking thing, let's see,

"Please write an original Netflix sitcom idea based around mid 20s demographic that live in New York with at least 1 gender fluid couple and 1 person of colour included who get into wacky adventures around love and awkward social interactions"



You're welcome Netflix.

Damn, that "Mix, Mingle, and Manhattan" title alone is worth AT LEAST a 100 million dollar development deal

But get that british AI the fuck outta here! Only 'MURICAN AI allowed!!!!

And is a male coffee slinger still a barista? Shouldn't it be "baristo"? Fuck, that's at least 1 episode of jokes right there!!! The AI is GENIUS!

 

[Winter John]

Man, I work 19999 hours a week and I coulda easily wrote all them hit shows. Severance. Saul. Lasso. Succession. Sopranos. I could’ve written them all, but I decided I’d rather spend my life as a barely functioning retard. And let me tell you I been damn successful at it too.

 

[thefool]

Fine with me. Push people to shop at brick and mortar instead. I don't really order a lot online anymore.

These deals have ripple effects beyond a simple consumer choice.
Inflation disproportionately affects poor people, that’s who really gets royally fucked over the power of these cartels.

 

[Soltype]

They dug their own grave on this one, if they'd been writing worthwhile material , AI wouldn't be able to touch their output quality wise.

 

[YCoCg]

They dug their own grave on this one, if they'd been writing worthwhile material , AI wouldn't be able to touch their output quality wise.

That's also the effect of paying cheap, pay next to nothing to a mass amounts of writers because you have 50+ streaming shows to finish and you'll get crap.

Paying more for writers should hopefully mean they're more quality attentive and only hire those providing quality, raising the bar all round.

 

[Soltype]

That's also the effect of paying cheap, pay next to nothing to a mass amounts of writers because you have 50+ streaming shows to finish and you'll get crap.

Paying more for writers should hopefully mean they're more quality attentive and only hire those providing quality, raising the bar all round.

That's a good point, but what about that window where we didn't have that many streaming shows and the writing was still subpar? I'd like things to turn around, but I honestly don't know where they should start.

 

[DeafTourette]

Here's a simple question for everyone who thinks the writers should all be unemployed...

What movies or shows HAVE you liked?

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

Why haven't you been hired yet?

Maybe because he’s not an activist?

 

[DeafTourette]

Maybe because he’s not an activist?

Or maybe because he's not a writer.

Can you answer my question above?

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

Here's a simple question for everyone who thinks the writers should all be unemployed...

What movies or shows HAVE you liked?

Recently or in all my life?

 

[DeafTourette]

Recently or in all my life?

Let's say... The last 25 years

 

[Rentahamster]

Maybe because he’s not an activist?

Maybe that's not the point? We're talking about an actual job that pays actual money. This is what the argument was based off of. Job performance, not activism quotient.

 

[FunkMiller]

That's a good point, but what about that window where we didn't have that many streaming shows and the writing was still subpar? I'd like things to turn around, but I honestly don't know where they should start.

When was this window, in your opinion? What was the time period and what shows do you mean?

 

[Azurro]

Here's a simple question for everyone who thinks the writers should all be unemployed...

What movies or shows HAVE you liked?

That's a silly question. Of course people have liked some shows at one point, otherwise nobody would care to even comment.

The problem is that ever since me too, Hollywood was captured by activists and filled the industry with like minded people, and their output reflects this.

It's like a disease ridden half dead animal, I'm not sure it can be saved. But I'm definitely dumbfounded at the attempts to drive support to the type of people that thought killing John Connor and replacing him with a tiny mexican woman and also to turn the Terminator into a sexless husband machine were great ideas.

Btw, why do you hate Nerdrotic FunkMiller ? His videos are great, they expose pretty popular viewpoints on the state of pop culture.

 

[FunkMiller]

Btw, why do you hate Nerdrotic FunkMiller ? His videos are great, they expose pretty popular viewpoints on the state of pop culture.

I don't hate him. He just has zero inside knowledge about the industry, and just regurgitates the same stuff his other YouTube friends say, because all he cares about is his subscriber numbers. Zero balance to anything he 'reports'. It's great to complain about how dreadfully Disney has handled Star Wars, but he's jumped on the 'all writers are terrible' bandwagon for political reasons that he knows appeals to his audience. No effort whatsoever to provide any kind of balance. Even Will Jordan attempts to do that - although he's still desperate to be a successful author, so he hedges his bets a bit.

 

[Azurro]

I don't hate him. He just has zero inside knowledge about the industry, and just regurgitates the same stuff his other YouTube friends say, because all he cares about is his subscriber numbers. Zero balance to anything he 'reports'. It's great to complain about how dreadfully Disney has handled Star Wars, but he's jumped on the 'all writers are terrible' bandwagon for political reasons that he knows appeals to his audience. No effort whatsoever to provide any kind of balance. Even Will Jordan attempts to do that - although he's still desperate to be a successful author, so he hedges his bets a bit.

Have you actually seen his videos? He's popular because his views are well supported and resonate with the average viewer.

He's pretty balanced actually, I mean, being balanced is giving shows a fair try and then give his honest opinion. It's not his fault most of what Hollywood produces is garbage.

Which brings me to your other point, people wouldn't "jump" to that "bandwagon" if the incompetent writers managed to create something that isn't diarrhea at worst, usually completely forgettable and just a few slivers of gold amongst a sea of diarreah.

Remember what I told you? There's no popular support for the writers, otherwise that "bandwagon" wouldn't exist. I think you are just really biased because of your connections to the people cranking out burning shit on a page.

 

[DKehoe]

Remember what I told you? There's no popular support for the writers, otherwise that "bandwagon" wouldn't exist. I think you are just really biased because of your connections to the people cranking out burning shit on a page.

What are you basing that on?

 

[StueyDuck]

This whole thing is a tough one... I'm a strong believer of work = pay. I mean that country song dude isn't setting murica on fire cause he loves working for no pay

But on the other hand the wokeys with personality hair and agendas to push are shouting and screaming at us normies and calling us names all the time every second of every day really makes it difficult to wanna support or care about anything they do. So maybe there's decent fish in that pond but they are letting the mentally deranged morons like Seth Rogan take the stage and act as face of the movement. Not a fuck am I gonna give a shit about anything Seth Rogan does in life. You literally couldn't find a bigger twat who deserves a slap to put on TV to just call me names again so I can support him

So long story short, you should be paid what you work for. But Hollywood itself can get fucked so it's a tough one

 

[FunkMiller]

Have you actually seen his videos? He's popular because his views are well supported and resonate with the average viewer.

He's pretty balanced actually, I mean, being balanced is giving shows a fair try and then give his honest opinion. It's not his fault most of what Hollywood produces is garbage.

Which brings me to your other point, people wouldn't "jump" to that "bandwagon" if the incompetent writers managed to create something that isn't diarrhea at worst, usually completely forgettable and just a few slivers of gold amongst a sea of diarreah.

Remember what I told you? There's no popular support for the writers, otherwise that "bandwagon" wouldn't exist. I think you are just really biased because of your connections to the people cranking out burning shit on a page.

Good lord, man. Get off social media. Form an opinion for yourself, rather than just listening to people on YouTube who are all desperate to be part of an industry they claim to despise. Or at least broaden the voices you are listening to. Try a few of the industry podcasts, for starters.

You're claiming I'm biased because I happen to have worked close to the industry in question, but you are hopelessly biased because you have zero knowledge of it yourself, other than what YouTubers tell you.

Nerdrotic isn't balanced. He screeches on about the same IPs being ruined by activists over and over and over and over again. He's a classic angry nerd - and only makes videos that he knows his audience loves... mainly consisting of people who are also just angry about a few IPs being dragged through the mud.

And he absolutely ignores the fact that the shitty agenda driven stuff is being greenlit and financed by the studios. Not the writers or actors.

But it makes him more money to screech about how shitty Willow was, than it does to actually engage with the realities of the business.

 

[Azurro]

Good lord, man. Get off social media. Form an opinion for yourself, rather than just listening to people on YouTube who are all desperate to be part of an industry they claim to despise. Or at least broaden the voices you are listening to. Try a few of the industry podcasts, for starters.

You're claiming I'm biased because I happen to have worked close to the industry in question, but you are hopelessly biased because you have zero knowledge of it yourself, other than what YouTubers tell you.

Nerdrotic isn't balanced. He screeches on about the same IPs being ruined by activists over and over and over and over again. He's a classic angry nerd - and only makes videos that he knows his audience loves... mainly consisting of people who are also just angry about a few IPs being dragged through the mud.

And he absolutely ignores the fact that the shitty agenda driven stuff is being greenlit and financed by the studios. Not the writers or actors.

But it makes him more money to screech about how shitty Willow was, than it does to actually engage with the realities of the business.

Being balanced is giving products a fair try and giving your honest opinions. There is almost zero product out there from Disney and similar outlets that is worthy of praise, I don't see the point in just giving out praise and shill for the studios to appear "balanced". Yeah, his videos do well, of course they will, they echo the muddy diarreah that the writers, producers and actors are making. They wouldn't be so popular if Hollywood hadn't given the audience enough reason to think that. Look at the box office, flop after flop after flop. Strange, when Hollywood produces gems like The Woman King and race swapped Little Mermaid.

The agenda driven stuff comes from everyone, you don't get to say you are poor victims when the writers are crying about standardising woke writers rooms, with minimal amounts and with the "proper representation" and veto power to make sure all content is woke approved. It's just as much their fault as the studios. You are absolutely blinded because you have ties to those people. I'm free to call them what a large percentage of them are: entitled progressive children

I'm unbiased, I can happily put on anime, korean or european TV shows and enjoy them on streaming, I actually love TV Shows and Pre 2010 Hollywood entertainment. I'm very unbiased in this topic, if I see a fetid disease I'll call it out. There's a big disease right now there and the only solution is to not support productions that hate my gender, hate reality and hate normality. If the writers, studios and actors want to get on the audience's good side, they need to purge the danger hair pronoun people, ESG executives and people "With their not so secret gay agenda" out of there. If they don't do that, then Hollywood should rightfully burn.

 

[Soltype]

When was this window, in your opinion? What was the time period and what shows do you mean?

Probably around the mid 2010s, wasn't just shows though.

 

[FunkMiller]

Probably around the mid 2010s, wasn't just shows though.

Mid 2010s?

When Breaking Bad was on? Justified? Better Call Saul? Community? Game Of Thrones (early seasons)? Fargo? Hannibal? Boardwalk Empire? Mad Men?

...I think the point here is that there's never been a time when we haven't had great TV, and terrible TV.

The only difference now is the terrible TV is a lot of very famous and popular franchises, which makes it seem like things are worse.

 

[DKehoe]

Being balanced is giving products a fair try and giving your honest opinions. There is almost zero product out there from Disney and similar outlets that is worthy of praise, I don't see the point in just giving out praise and shill for the studios to appear "balanced". Yeah, his videos do well, of course they will, they echo the muddy diarreah that the writers, producers and actors are making. They wouldn't be so popular if Hollywood hadn't given the audience enough reason to think that. Look at the box office, flop after flop after flop. Strange, when Hollywood produces gems like The Woman King and race swapped Little Mermaid.

The agenda driven stuff comes from everyone, you don't get to say you are poor victims when the writers are crying about standardising woke writers rooms, with minimal amounts and with the "proper representation" and veto power to make sure all content is woke approved. It's just as much their fault as the studios. You are absolutely blinded because you have ties to those people. I'm free to call them what a large percentage of them are: entitled progressive children

I'm unbiased, I can happily put on anime, korean or european TV shows and enjoy them on streaming, I actually love TV Shows and Pre 2010 Hollywood entertainment. I'm very unbiased in this topic, if I see a fetid disease I'll call it out. There's a big disease right now there and the only solution is to not support productions that hate my gender, hate reality and hate normality. If the writers, studios and actors want to get on the audience's good side, they need to purge the danger hair pronoun people, ESG executives and people "With their not so secret gay agenda" out of there. If they don't do that, then Hollywood should rightfully burn.

Look at the way you're talking about people. "Diseased" and "blinded." That's pretty extreme. All while you're repeatedly talking about how unbiased you are. It's all a bit self-righteous and fundamentalist.

You talked about being frustrated at feeling like you and the audience at large are called "ists and phobes." Yet you're painting with an incredibly broad brush by decrying basically every writer, actor and director in the industry. That's a vast number of people. Most of whom you don't know, have any knowledge of or experience with. Maybe be careful about talking about them in such harsh terms and hoping that their livelihood disappears. Surely you have to realise that no, the people working on a large number of productions don't "hate reality." You really should consider if you are in too deep on that culture war stuff. It's not good to view so much of the world on those identity politics terms It will drive you crazy.

 

[Soltype]

Mid 2010s?

When Breaking Bad was on? Justified? Better Call Saul? Community? Game Of Thrones (early seasons)? Fargo? Hannibal? Boardwalk Empire? Mad Men?

...I think the point here is that there's never been a time when we haven't had great TV, and terrible TV.

The only difference now is the terrible TV is a lot of very famous and popular franchises, which makes it seem like things are worse.

I wasn't a fan of a lot of those shows ,but that's just my take. I don't know if it's the word, but a lot of media and writing started to feel more cynical.

 

[Azurro]

Look at the way you're talking about people. "Diseased" and "blinded." That's pretty extreme. All while you're repeatedly talking about how unbiased you are. It's all a bit self-righteous and fundamentalist.

You talked about being frustrated at feeling like you and the audience at large are called "ists and phobes." Yet you're painting with an incredibly broad brush by decrying basically every writer, actor and director in the industry. That's a vast number of people. Most of whom you don't know, have any knowledge of or experience with. Maybe be careful about talking about them in such harsh terms and hoping that their livelihood disappears. Surely you have to realise that no, the people working on a large number of productions don't "hate reality." You really should consider if you are in too deep on that culture war stuff. It's not good to view so much of the world on those identity politics terms It will drive you crazy.

You are trying to victimise yourself and the people I'm talking about. It's an interesting debating technique, given how being a victim is social and political currency. I said plenty of times, there must be a few good ones in there, but they have to get rid of the diseased part of the organisation. And please, stop being disingenuous, I only mean they should be fired and have the megaphone taken away from them, that's it, you'd have to be either dumb or sinister if you think I'm implying something else. The multi colored hair people and the ones screaming about their sex identity are too far gone ideologically speaking to be taking part in media meant for the masses, they should be pouring coffee or whatever somewhere instead.

I actually don't mind having strong convictions, if you want to call that "being in the culture war". We have to speak for normality, because the previous lax approach of moral relativity where everything is fine, ok and permitted is having terrible consequences: racism, sexism, authoritarism, depravity, broken homes, loneliness and so on. If people don't speak against extremists that hate an entire gender and want to include racism, sexism, gender ideology and other hate in their productions, who will?

Look at our friend here FunkMiller, he's the one going crazy and found the very first excuse to stop talking about the topic:

Ooh... you're a idiotic bigot. I get it now. Off to the wonderful land of blocked you go!

I'm guessing our friend FunkMiller was frustrated his appeals that the poor, poor writers were the victims were backed by nothing but "trust me bro" didn't work: accusing people of being ist and phobe. I don't care what people do in their beds, that's precisely the point, don't fucking tell me. I really don't want to know what you identify as, what you do in bed and I don't want you telling children about it mate.

 

[DKehoe]

You are trying to victimise yourself and the people I'm talking about. It's an interesting debating technique, given how being a victim is social and political currency. I said plenty of times, there must be a few good ones in there, but they have to get rid of the diseased part of the organisation.

How am I trying to victimise myself? I didn't think you were talking about me. But if we're talking about people trying to victimise themselves, you're the one talking about how the whole TV and film industry apparently hates your gender. You're the one focused on identity politics and this agenda that the whole industry apparently has which just so happens to line up against your own identity.

And please, stop being disingenuous, I only mean they should be fired and have the megaphone taken away from them, that's it, you'd have to be either dumb or sinister if you think I'm implying something else. The multi colored hair people and the ones screaming about their sex identity are too far gone ideologically speaking to be taking part in media meant for the masses, they should be pouring coffee or whatever somewhere instead.

You made it clear that you didn't think that this was just a few people in an industry but the whole thing. You directly said that it was not just a few bad apples:

Oh please, the total garbage that has been produced is just a product of "a few bad apples"? Really? Then how come pretty much every single IP has been processed by their woke machine? Are the pure, innocent writers that love the IPs just a victim of evil studios and have had to produce awful content?

And so yeh I think calling for all of them to lose their jobs is pretty extreme. What did I say that made things seem more sinister than you meant? How was I being disingenuous?

I actually don't mind having strong convictions, if you want to call that "being in the culture war". We have to speak for normality, because the previous lax approach of moral relativity where everything is fine, ok and permitted is having terrible consequences: racism, sexism, authoritarism, depravity, broken homes, loneliness and so on. If people don't speak against extremists that hate an entire gender and want to include racism, sexism, gender ideology and other hate in their productions, who will?

Yeh I do want to call it being in the culture war. The people in it on both sides should be regularly reminded that they don't represent the population at large. So many discussions about films and TV shows turn into people talking about how it's woke or it's problematic. It's not enough to not like something, think it looks bad or find it heavy-handed and just move on. There has to be a moral threat in it that poses a danger to society. The strike is about a bunch of stuff and yet the main focus of this thread has been identity politics. It seems like once people get into identity politics it becomes this all-consuming thing for them. It's so dull.

Look at our friend here FunkMiller, he's the one going crazy and found the very first excuse to stop talking about the topic:

I'm guessing our friend FunkMiller was frustrated his appeals that the poor, poor writers were the victims were backed by nothing but "trust me bro" didn't work: accusing people of being ist and phobe. I don't care what people do in their beds, that's precisely the point, don't fucking tell me. I really don't want to know what you identify as, what you do in bed and I don't want you telling children about it mate.

What FunkMiller says is up to him. I'm sure he's perfectly capable of replying if he chooses to.

 

[RainblowDash]

What in the world makes these writers think they deserve anything after the constant bombs they’ve been writing over the last couple years??

 

[TaylorSwiftFan]

Maybe that's not the point? We're talking about an actual job that pays actual money. This is what the argument was based off of. Job performance, not activism quotient.

Well they’ve not been performing, have they? The vast majority of movies and shows have crap writing.

 

[Azurro]

How am I trying to victimise myself? I didn't think you were talking about me. But if we're talking about people trying to victimise themselves, you're the one talking about how the whole TV and film industry apparently hates your gender. You're the one focused on identity politics and this agenda that the whole industry apparently has which just so happens to line up against your own identity.

Ah, I love it, you eventually showed your colors. This is interesting because only people of a certain persuasion use concepts as gender identity. I's too bad we can't get into a debate about it, but the common property I found within people that believe in those concepts is their disdain for reality and always make use of irrational thinking. No wonder, given It's the only "science" that cannot define any of its terms.

You made it clear that you didn't think that this was just a few people in an industry but the whole thing. You directly said that it was not just a few bad apples:

And so yeh I think calling for all of them to lose their jobs is pretty extreme. What did I say that made things seem more sinister than you meant? How was I being disingenuous?

I don't know, how is it extreme? They are incompetent and cannot ever produce anything but propaganda. They should not be given access to mass media because they tank their companies, that's why they should be fired, simple. They can go check parking meters or work at a coffee shop. I don't know, something useful.

Yeh I do want to call it being in the culture war. The people in it on both sides should be regularly reminded that they don't represent the population at large. So many discussions about films and TV shows turn into people talking about how it's woke or it's problematic. It's not enough to not like something, think it looks bad or find it heavy-handed and just move on. There has to be a moral threat in it that poses a danger to society. The strike is about a bunch of stuff and yet the main focus of this thread has been identity politics. It seems like once people get into identity politics it becomes this all-consuming thing for them. It's so dull.

But, there is a moral threat to society, and there are already effects on it. I won't go into details due to where we are, but I think there is merit in checking if a social movement that hates western culture, heterosexuality, masculinity and the family unit is inserted into an entertainment product. It has real life implications and consequences.

You attempt to equate this to "two sides", which is rather disingenuous. Simply put, one side is constructive, the other one is delusional and destructive. One side results in families, children, values, culture, the other results in ...well...this isn't the board for that, but it's not good.

To me you frankly just sound upset that the people are noticing the propaganda you support and are against it.

What FunkMiller says is up to him. I'm sure he's perfectly capable of replying if he chooses to.

It's ok, he went to his safe space, definitely triggered by people that don't want rainbow propaganda in films and falsely equating it with them having a problem with his lifestyle. It's a childish attitude, but not surprising giving his outlook. It's no wonder he had connections there, it's easy to imagine how his writer friends look like and think like.

I'll disengage now, because, well, frankly this isn't very constructive because your small group of people here in gaf always try to control the narrative in certain topics, you are always in the same topics trying to quiet down complaints.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Being balanced is giving products a fair try and giving your honest opinions. There is almost zero product out there from Disney and similar outlets that is worthy of praise, I don't see the point in just giving out praise and shill for the studios to appear "balanced". Yeah, his videos do well, of course they will, they echo the muddy diarreah that the writers, producers and actors are making. They wouldn't be so popular if Hollywood hadn't given the audience enough reason to think that. Look at the box office, flop after flop after flop. Strange, when Hollywood produces gems like The Woman King and race swapped Little Mermaid.

The agenda driven stuff comes from everyone, you don't get to say you are poor victims when the writers are crying about standardising woke writers rooms, with minimal amounts and with the "proper representation" and veto power to make sure all content is woke approved. It's just as much their fault as the studios. You are absolutely blinded because you have ties to those people. I'm free to call them what a large percentage of them are: entitled progressive children

I'm unbiased, I can happily put on anime, korean or european TV shows and enjoy them on streaming, I actually love TV Shows and Pre 2010 Hollywood entertainment. I'm very unbiased in this topic, if I see a fetid disease I'll call it out. There's a big disease right now there and the only solution is to not support productions that hate my gender, hate reality and hate normality. If the writers, studios and actors want to get on the audience's good side, they need to purge the danger hair pronoun people, ESG executives and people "With their not so secret gay agenda" out of there. If they don't do that, then Hollywood should rightfully burn.

Gay agenda?


Can you explain to me what the "gay agenda" is?

 

[DeafTourette]

So kids should be shielded from even KNOWING that gay people exist, right Azurro ? Am I understanding that? Because the way you word it, kids should only find out gay folks exist when they leave for college... ? So one kind of sexuality is ok to expose kids to... Just not same sex sexuality?

 

[simpatico]

Let them fight.

Pushing for a AI show and movie future. We can get more content, lower cost, and no one will get shot on the set of Rust. Small studios would be able to compete with the big boys with the help of AI.