• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

What are you reading? (June 2011)

Mifune

Mehmber
Seriously though, he says so much about addiction and the human condition in a gut-punchingly honest way. I've never felt such a deep connection between a work and its author, so I kind of take it personally when someone calls IJ "beyond bad."

I mean, that's really fucking hilarious, and an objectively bad opinion.
 
Narag said:
Interested to hear your thoughts when you finally finish it. Their SNL book was as you described above too but turned into something marvelous.


Yeah I never read that one but I imagine it's the same style, where it's a bunch of people's quotes one after the other, which a little narrative from the author from time to time to tie things together, but somehow it flows together and does a good job of telling the story they are trying to tell.
 

Sleepy

Member
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
I've seen bits and pieces (such as that commencement speech that he gave), and frankly, I've had pretty much the same reaction. Pynchon I can't really comment on, as I've really read only bits and pieces, but at least in the case of Wallace, I think it's pretty much smoke and mirrors without much in the way of real substance behind it.


No worries, man. :) Just move on...Life is too short to read bad books. If it weren't for my love of postmodernism, I might not like Wallace, either. That said, Wallace is nowhere near the quality of Pynchon.
 
Mifune said:
Wow, worst opinion ever Snowman. If you can't see the incredible humanity leaking out of every fucking word in Infinite Jest, then maybe this books thing isn't for you.

Art is not a competition for "who can have the most humanity," nor "who can be the most 'gut-punchingly' truthful" (art is not truth). I grant that David Foster Wallace may have had great compassion and humanity within him; indeed, reading his work and essays, I'm almost sure of it. But art is also a creative act, a way of taking the everyday and expressing it in a manner that is heightened, of subverting cliches, of weaving things into interesting and unexpected patterns, of using the human need and capacity for storytelling to get something across. Wallace may have had great humanity, but when it comes to the basic fundaments of the art of writing - command of narrative, characterization, interesting imagery, lack of cliche, insight (he does have this occasionally rarely follows up on it), or even just the plain ability to craft an interesting sentence shorn of excess modifiers and - he is lacking. Broom of the System, for example, is a maybe interesting 20-30 page short story or novella, but he simply rambles on for far too long with nothing particularly interesting to fill up all of that space.

And I have nothing inherently against post-modernism, mind, but I think Wallace's particular brand of PoMo is of a rather lazy and banal variety.

Edit: but frankly, it's not a discussion that I care to have. If I'm right, time will do its work for me and bury the man's work. If I'm wrong, people will continue to be able to enjoy DFW to their heart's content. I frankly think that, even just a few decades later, the man's work is already quite dated and that it will only get more so as time passes. But, as I say, we shall see.
 

Sleepy

Member
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
I grant that David Foster Wallace may have had great compassion and humanity within him; indeed, reading his work and essays, I'm almost sure of it.


You should track down Jonathan Franzen's article about Wallace, Robinson Crusoe, and some island (I can't recall it's name now) in the New Yorker, as it has some very interesting insights into Wallace's so-called humanity. Granted, it's from Franzen's perspective, but as he actually knew him, it seems quite astute.
 
Mifune said:
Seriously though, he says so much about addiction and the human condition in a gut-punchingly honest way. I've never felt such a deep connection between a work and its author, so I kind of take it personally when someone calls IJ "beyond bad."

I mean, that's really fucking hilarious, and an objectively bad opinion.

this is nonsense and you know it. the guy has articulated why not, why must there be personal offense? don't hold these things as idols to be violated. if the themes resonate to you then good, awesome, but c'mon man, you should hold a higher standard to yourself on how you treat others who don't find the same material as you do compelling or of high quality.
 
this-is-your-brain-on-music-the-science-of-a-human-obsession.jpg


As a Neuroscience/Music double major I'd been recommended this book a couple dozen times for obvious reasons. The music theory talk is a bit dumbed-down for my tastes, but the book is really meant for those with no prior knowledge of music theory or rigor. Besides that though it really is a fascinating book, about 3 chapters in and loving it. Even if you have no interesting in neuroscience it still is a fascinating look into the psychological underpinnings and the effects of music on culture.
 
iGap0.jpg


I read verses from this every day, it is my persona bible and personal guide for living. I can't imagine how my mind was before I was introduced to stoic philosophy.
 
I actually have no problem with invocations of objectivity; that's pretty much what I'm known for in the film thread, and that's what I assumed prompted his use of the word. I believe that good/bad and like/dislike are different axes of the artistic spectrum. I totally get why somebody would like DFW, I really do, for there is clearly a resonance to it, but I don't think his work is good, artistically.
 
blanky said:
SMCpv.jpg


Just finished reading this. Thought it was very interesting and deep. Though I did notice "i could care less" twice (in 660 pages mind you), but thats the only commentary I have really.
I was quite pleased to discover David Simon is just as good a writer as he is show runner. Excellent book.
 
Just finished:

t4j3P.jpg


I am still reeling from the whole thing. I adored it like Name of the Wind and it will likely end up being my book of the year. If this book had a subtitle it would be "Level UP!"

Wasn't there a thread on gaf about Wise Mans Fear? I can't find it anywhere.
 
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
Art is not a competition for "who can have the most humanity," nor "who can be the most 'gut-punchingly' truthful" (art is not truth). I grant that David Foster Wallace may have had great compassion and humanity within him; indeed, reading his work and essays, I'm almost sure of it. But art is also a creative act, a way of taking the everyday and expressing it in a manner that is heightened, of subverting cliches, of weaving things into interesting and unexpected patterns, of using the human need and capacity for storytelling to get something across. Wallace may have had great humanity, but when it comes to the basic fundaments of the art of writing - command of narrative, characterization, interesting imagery, lack of cliche, insight (he does have this occasionally rarely follows up on it), or even just the plain ability to craft an interesting sentence shorn of excess modifiers and - he is lacking. Broom of the System, for example, is a maybe interesting 20-30 page short story or novella, but he simply rambles on for far too long with nothing particularly interesting to fill up all of that space.

And I have nothing inherently against post-modernism, mind, but I think Wallace's particular brand of PoMo is of a rather lazy and banal variety.

Edit: but frankly, it's not a discussion that I care to have. If I'm right, time will do its work for me and bury the man's work. If I'm wrong, people will continue to be able to enjoy DFW to their heart's content. I frankly think that, even just a few decades later, the man's work is already quite dated and that it will only get more so as time passes. But, as I say, we shall see.

I'm nowhere near as eloquent as you are and have a lot of trouble expressing myself when it comes to art and whatnot, so I apologize in advance. Anyway, I usually agree with your opinions in the movie thread and elsewhere, so I figure I might as well make the effort to respond. I've read Infinite Jest four times. It's definitely one of my favorite books, and I do believe that it is objectively art and objectively pretty damn good. And to me, it does meet your basic fundamentals. While the narrative does take about a hundred pages or so to get going, there definitely is one. He takes relatively mundane and everyday subjects (addiction, family, tennis, depression, film, etc.) and sets it against a bizarre political backdrop and somehow weaves it all together. I didn't notice how interesting and intricate the patterning was until I reread it. The characterization is great, and DFW definitely has a command of imagery and creates some absolutely beautiful passages when he sets his mind to it. The beginning is admittedly odd and perhaps ill-structured the first time, so I can understand why people would stop reading it there. But I don't think it's fair to judge the novel based on the first 40 or so pages.

That said, I'm not saying that you should drop everything and go read it and I'll only respect you if you do so post haste. As much as I love Infinite Jest, I do understand your criticism of him, and you're not a bad person for not liking his prose. I haven't read Broom of the System, but from what I understand, it's not very good. It's a cocky kid still in college imitating Pynchon and DeLillo. I'm not a fan of his early short stories, and the ridiculous overmarketing of his unfinished work after his death was frankly pretty revolting. The Pale King was obviously unfinished, and short of a few amazing passages wasn't worth what I shelled out for the fancy hardcover. I love some of his essays (the cruise ship, porn awards, lobster), but I don't think he's the amazing insightful philosopher he's marketed to be.

I know it sounds like I'm not taking a position here, but I adore Infinite Jest and believe pretty strongly that it will be considered a classic of American literature, as opposed to the hipster status symbol it seems to be right now. So Snowman, don't worry too much about not liking him, but maybe give Infinite Jest another shot sometime. In the meantime, there's plenty of great literature to read. I'm interested in what you'd think of Pynchon. I've read all of his novels except for Gravity's Rainbow the past few months, and Mason & Dixon has become my favorite novel. V. was also amazing.

As for what I'm actually reading right now, I've read the first 600 pages of Middlemarch and have been enjoying it a lot. Unfortunately, I misplaced my copy today, so until I find it I've started Jean Echenoz's Les Grandes Blondes. It's pretty fun so far.
 

mike23

Member
About 35% through American Gods at the moment. It's a little bit slow action-wise so far, but it has me interested.

eb8g4.jpg


Considering a reread of The Name of the Wind and A Wise Man's Fear since I read them back-to-back straight through back in March and I want to give them a slower read.
 
mike23 said:
About 35% through American Gods at the moment. It's a little bit slow action-wise so far, but it has me interested.

eb8g4.jpg


Considering a reread of The Name of the Wind and A Wise Man's Fear since I read them back-to-back straight through back in March and I want to give them a slower read.

Yeah I am considering doing that as well but I don't know if I want to do it in about 2 years when it can be a tool to hold me over till the 3rd book.

Also do we have it confirmed that its only 3 books? I can understand he might be doing just 3 for the trilogy but the way I keep seeing the story arcs it seems like after the 3 days there should be quite a bit of story.
 

mike23

Member
BruceLeeRoy said:
Yeah I am considering doing that as well but I don't know if I want to do it in about 2 years when it can be a tool to hold me over till the 3rd book.

Also do we have it confirmed that its only 3 books? I can understand he might be doing just 3 for the trilogy but the way I keep seeing the story arcs it seems like after the 3 days there should be quite a bit of story.

I hope he makes it more than a trilogy. I always feel a little bit sad when an author throws away a beautifully crafted and interesting world in after single book or trilogy. But then again, he probably doesn't want to be writing the same thing for the rest of his life.
 

Sonicbug

Member
Oh man, I missed all the Tad Williams and Jack Vance talk earlier this month! I have one of the signed/numbered copies of ‘Songs of the Dying Earth.’ I’m afraid to even breath on it... I love the Dying Earth stories, but I think I like the Lyonesse trilogy even more. I had to order a copy from the UK though, the complete collection. The series has been out of print here for awhile.

I’m not reading anything nearly that grand right now, but it is at least entertaining and solid read so far. Also, the cover has very little to do with the contents.

518F1cSOFzL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
 
Picked up Peter Brett's The Desert Spear, Scott Lynch's Lies of Locke Lamora, Naomi Novik's His Majesty's Dragon, and Robin Hobb's The Assassin's Apprentice.

Just gotta figure out which to read first.

Also Assassin's Apprentice is the starting point right? The boat series is later (and possibly not related)?
 

Dresden

Member
evilpigking said:
Picked up Peter Brett's The Desert Spear, Scott Lynch's Lies of Locke Lamora, Naomi Novik's His Majesty's Dragon, and Robin Hobb's The Assassin's Apprentice.

Just gotta figure out which to read first.

Also Assassin's Apprentice is the starting point right? The boat series is later (and possibly not related)?
I thought Brett was bad.

Lynch's Lies of Locke Lamora is a good, fun read.

Novik's His Majesty's Dragon is enjoyable enough, not as good as Lynch but still a decent book.

Hobb bores me.
 

Narag

Member
I should give the Lies of Locke Lamora another go. Something didn't set well with me the first time I read it.
 
Narag said:
I should give the Lies of Locke Lamora another go. Something didn't set well with me the first time I read it.

It's really really slow in the beginning but when it picks up about halfway in I really started to enjoy it. Part of the problem is the main plot device doesn't begin till the last quarter of the book.

Dresden said:
I thought Brett was bad.

Lynch's Lies of Locke Lamora is a good, fun read.

Novik's His Majesty's Dragon is enjoyable enough, not as good as Lynch but still a decent book.

Hobb bores me.

I tried two times last year to finish "His Majesty's Dragon" but I just couldn't get into it.
 
Well aside from the Brett book it's why I just grabbed book 1s, and I bought them all used anyway so not a huge loss if I end up disliking a series or two. I can just use the book as a firestarter come winter as a worst case scenario.
 
Sonicbug said:
I’m not reading anything nearly that grand right now, but it is at least entertaining and solid read so far. Also, the cover has very little to do with the contents.

518F1cSOFzL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

That is one pretty cover though.

dfwq6.jpg


This is what I imagine the Faerie world from Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell looks like.
 

LProtag

Member
Just speaking of Pynchon and DeLillo, I recently completed an independent study with one of my professors on American Postmodern literature.

Both my professor and I came to the conclusion that, in our opinions, Pynchon is just attempting to cram as much irony and little jokes as possible into his books. DeLillo on the other hand is providing a pretty interesting opinion on modern society through the use of humor.

What is it that those of you who enjoy Pynchon get from his work?

For reference the books discussed were Gravity's Rainbow and White Noise.
 
Finished Les Misérables which was epic in the true sense of the word.

My only complaint is concerning Hugo's many digressions. Their value fluctuated throughout the novel, ranging from informative and enjoyable (Hugo's recounting of the battle of Waterloo) to downright unnecessary and boring (a discussion of the history and function of convents).
Most of these digressions are filled with esoteric facts and allusions, without prior knowledge of 19th century France they're unlikely to mean anything to you.
I found it good, particularly during long stretches of plot, but sometimes quite tiring.

The only novel I've read by Fitzgerald is The Great Gatsby, so I decided to try:

41zs9J-2blL._SL350_.jpg


I'm only 40 pages in and it's a nice change of pace. His prose is so concise in the wake of a novel as large and convoluted as Les Misérables.
 
Just finished Memories of Ice (ending so good...) and am now moving on to

9780765348814.jpg


This is new territory to me as I read the first three years ago and stopped because the ending was so good that I decided to wait until the series was complete. This gonna be good.
 

Qwomo

Junior Member
Transmetropolitan_2.jpg


Reading Transmetropolitan. I liked it when I first read it, hated it the second time around, and presently I'm enjoying it. I'm past the part where I last left off, so I'm getting into some fresh stuff now and it's quite delightful.

I think one just has to be in the right mood to read Warren Ellis. Otherwise he just comes off as hackneyed and infantile.
 

ultron87

Member
Finished up Shadow's Edge. Onto Beyond the Shadows.

51SWL%2BjMJWL.jpg


The second book, while starting slow and involving the main character being a bit of a dumbass, kept me interested enough to dive right into the 3rd book. (Also, gotta get it out of the way before Dance With Dragons).

I'm interested to see how the story gets wrapped up since there seem to be a lot of dangling plot threads. Though
with the main big bad dead I wonder who will be the main threat. Or maybe it'll just be everyone versus Cenaria? Also, Durzo being back excites me despite it being somewhat predictable.
 

Mifune

Mehmber
Alpha-Bromega said:
this is nonsense and you know it. the guy has articulated why not, why must there be personal offense? don't hold these things as idols to be violated. if the themes resonate to you then good, awesome, but c'mon man, you should hold a higher standard to yourself on how you treat others who don't find the same material as you do compelling or of high quality.

Personal offense? Really? Saying an opinion is terrible is a personal offense now? I didn't call him names or anything.

I respect Snowman's opinions a lot. I just think that with this one he is way off the mark.
 
CrunchyFrog said:
this-is-your-brain-on-music-the-science-of-a-human-obsession.jpg


As a Neuroscience/Music double major I'd been recommended this book a couple dozen times for obvious reasons. The music theory talk is a bit dumbed-down for my tastes, but the book is really meant for those with no prior knowledge of music theory or rigor. Besides that though it really is a fascinating book, about 3 chapters in and loving it. Even if you have no interesting in neuroscience it still is a fascinating look into the psychological underpinnings and the effects of music on culture.

Seconding this recommendation.
 

OnkelC

Hail to the Chef
"Modernist Cuisine" by Nathan Myhrvold, currently at Volume 2. Still mentally processing vol. 1, though.
 
D

Deleted member 1235

Unconfirmed Member
modulaire said:
Just started reading

medium_robopocalypse-ulrtd.jpg


So far, so good.

finished this in 2 days. Couldn't put it down. the way it starts with the character that makes the errors is amazing.

I'm also on a ludicrous dresden files bender. Up to book 8 in less than 2 months. They're all so good and such a quick read.
 
modulaire said:
Just started reading

medium_robopocalypse-ulrtd.jpg


So far, so good.

Wow, lots of people are reading this. Just wondering, but why did you decide to pick it up? The cover, the summary, recommendations, etc?

Just finished with


Use of Weapons by Iain M. Banks

I enjoyed reading most of it, but the last quarter of the book was a slog to get through. Loved the structure of the book with the two interweaving story arcs. But by the time I got to the twist, I was a little sick of the book and wasn't as blown away as I should be. Spoiler for the twist:
So why does the main character think he's Zakalwe then? It doesn't make sense! Did Culture do a mind-switch or something?

edit: I was interested in the utopian world of Culture, but this book didn't seem to have that much on them. Are the other books in this series more explanatory of them?
 

Goody

Member
Finally just put Swamplandia! aside and picked up a novel by Larry Brown. I've really loved his short stories, so I wanted to see what he could do with a novel.

So I'm reading Father and Son. I'm but a few pages in and I love every bit so far. In these first few pages, there is already and enormous amount of tension. Brown is one of the great writers of the contemporary South. Right up there with Barry Hannah and Cormac McCarthy. Such a great turn around after slogging through Swamplandia!
 
I was obviously joking with Snowman earlier, especially with the "objectively" bad person comment.

I can't speak for DFW's fiction at all, actually, since I've only read A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again and Consider the Lobster, but I found pretty much every essay within both to be brilliant. I never found any hint of "pseudo"-intellectualism, because I never had trouble following what he had to say, and I'm fairly certain it came naturally to him, since he was incomprehensibly bright. I was able to read his essay about prescriptivist vs. descriptivists in the context of a review for a English usage textbook and remain enraptured the entire time. I thought his essay on tennis player Michael Joyce was the best piece of sports writing I had ever read (yes, better than his famous piece on Roger Federer).

I just don't see how a passage like this is devoid of insight or substance, as Snowman claims:
Whether or not he ends up in the top ten and a name anybody will know, Michael Joyce will remain a paradox. The restrictions on his life have been, in my opinion, grotesque; and in certain ways Joyce himself is a grotesque. But the radical compression of his attention and sense of himself have allowed him to become a transcendent practitioner of an art — something few of us get to be. They’ve allowed him to visit and test parts of his psychic reserves most of us do not even know for sure we have (courage, playing with violent nausea, not choking, et cetera).

Joyce is, in other words, a complete man, though in a grotesquely limited way. But he wants more. He wants to be the best, to have his name known, to hold professional trophies over his head as he patiently turns in all four directions for the media. He wants this and will pay to have it — to pursue it, let it define him — and will pay up with the regretless cheer of a man for whom issues of choice became irrelevant a long time ago. Already, for Joyce, at twenty-two, it’s too late for anything else; he’s invested too much, is in too deep. I think he’s both lucky and unlucky. He will say he is happy and mean it. Wish him well.
In many of his other essays, I feel like he tackles every emotion imaginable, seemingly poring out his every thought and feeling on the page sometimes, analyzing them more than any healthy person should. Perhaps I empathize with such a personality more than most. His exploration of isolation and loneliness on a cruise ship, his thoughts on the 2000 campaign of John McCain and the current political landscape (well, 11 years ago), his analysis of our television culture -- there are plenty of astute opinions and observations strewn throughout his non-fiction writing. And they are translated through a prose I find immensely playful, entertaining, and yet exact.

But I say again -- I can't speak for his novels.
 

Guileless

Temp Banned for Remedial Purposes
Larry Brown gave great readings. RIP.

Still vacillating between Robopocalypse and the new Bond novel for a beach read. I have a sci-fi backlog, but the title and cover of Robopocalypse are hard to resist.
 

Hilbert

Deep into his 30th decade
Lately I have been reading the novels and novellas of Edward Lee like mad.

If you are interested in some rather extreme horror(if you don't know what extreme horror is like you might want to stay away), you should look into his stuff. I recommend:

The Pig/The House
The Bighead
City Infernal
Header 2 (I couldn't find a copy of Header 1)

No it is not quality fiction, but damn, it entertains me.
 

Seanspeed

Banned
Tapiozona said:
Just finished Hyperion and started the follow up... Amazing books

n2652.jpg
I finished these two a little while back. Very good. I got a little confused near the end of 'Fall of', as it gets a bit crazy, but it came to me eventually and everything wraps together really nicely.

I just finished A Clash of Kings, and I'm about to start A Storm of Swords here in a few minutes. Yay! I'm not sure I can ever read another fantasy book/series again. This just has me so damn enveloped that nothing else will do. Thank god the new book is being released next month, but after that, I cant bear imagining having to wait for the story to continue. It wouldn't be so bad if he didn't leave the books ending as if they were meant to continue on.
 
Top Bottom