B_Rik_Schitthaus
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Neuromancer.(Up to chapter 5)
Good but so much techno-babble.
Good but so much techno-babble.
I know your asking for a novel, but have you read The Old Man and the Sea? If not, Id start with that. Its a novella, so you could probably finish it during a poo. From there Id go to The Sun Also Rises.jon bones said:What Hemingway novel should I start with? Perhaps his most accessible?
Yeah, its like Sophie's Choice, but without the Nazis or the need to choose between the two.Salazar said:Read Tobias Wolff. It's Hemingway but better.
That book made me want to go to Wal-mart and slap a baby.GroteSmurf said:About 400 pages read of The feast of Crows. Not really loving it but still interesting enough to read on. Maid of Tarth chapters are boring as hell though....
HiroProtagonist said:I know your asking for a novel, but have you read The Old Man and the Sea? If not, Id start with that. Its a novella, so you could probably finish it during a poo. From there Id go to The Sun Also Rises.
As soon as you finish A Game of Thrones, your next book will be A Clash of Kings. Guarantee it. The first three books of this series go from Great, to Awesome, to HOLY SHIT AMAZING.ultron87 said:
About halfway through Game of Thrones. I must admit that it has mostly lived up to the hype.
My next book is either Neuromancer or The Diamond Age.
If you enjoyed Da Vinci Code I don't see why not. Angels and Demons is a slightly better adventure and it is mindless fun. The ending is your typical Dan Brown cop out but, again, if you enjoyed Da Vinci Code it really wouldn't matter.Ashhong said:should i read Angels & Demons and his new book when it comes out? I enjoyed Da Vinci Code
joeyjoejoeshabadoo said:If you enjoyed Da Vinci Code I don't see why not. Angels and Demons is a slightly better adventure and it is mindless fun. The ending is your typical Dan Brown cop out but, again, if you enjoyed Da Vinci Code it really wouldn't matter.
Night_Trekker said:That's just the way he writes. Stay away from Faulkner if you didn't like that.
The story is an allegory, so the simple language was particularly fitting and effective, I thought. The only other book he's written in that style is No Country for Old Men (also a great book and yes, better than the movie!). The rest are far more detailed and dense.
KingGondo said:As soon as you finish A Game of Thrones, your next book will be A Clash of Kings. Guarantee it. The first three books of this series go from Great, to Awesome, to HOLY SHIT AMAZING.
Eaten By A Grue said:The first Hemingway book I read was a A Farewell to Arms and I loved it.
HiroProtagonist said:I know your asking for a novel, but have you read The Old Man and the Sea? If not, Id start with that. Its a novella, so you could probably finish it during a poo. From there Id go to The Sun Also Rises.
Night_Trekker said:Hemingway's lean style makes pretty much everything anything accessible (based on what I've read, at least).
I really enjoyed In Our Time (a collection of thematically connected short stories), for what it's worth.
jon bones said:Didn't even start the first book, but I have a feeling I will want to read through the series without stopping so I just bought this on my lunch break. Can any GAFfers attest to this series? I'm not huge on fantasy, but I love ASOIAF.
Eaten By A Grue said:The first Hemingway book I read was a A Farewell to Arms and I loved it.
jon bones said:Didn't even start the first book, but I have a feeling I will want to read through the series without stopping so I just bought this on my lunch break. Can any GAFfers attest to this series? I'm not huge on fantasy, but I love ASOIAF.
Any idea where you can get the first book? Seems like it may be out of print, even though the second and third books are available.aidan said:It's fuck awesome. You won't be disappointed.
Undeux said:Any idea where you can get the first book? Seems like it may be out of print, even though the second and third books are available.
Weird, when I searched for it I only came across Amazon pages that said they were out of copies. Thanks for the link!aidan said:They're all still in print and selling very well. They should be available at bookstores, but if not Amazon has copies.
AlternativeUlster said:I 2nd this. Top 10 novels of all time for me and I almost didn't read it because I wasn't a fan of Old Man and the Sea.
aidan said:It's fuck awesome. You won't be disappointed.
Ravager61 said:I'm currently on the 3rd book, and I have enjoyed the series very much so far. I can't say its up to ASOIAF quality, but the characters are great, the story is intriguing, and Abercrombie is a pretty good writer. I think you'll be satisfied.
Undeux said:Any idea where you can get the first book? Seems like it may be out of print, even though the second and third books are available.
mac said:I also ordered this based on a NPR review.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103930835
Lafiel said:Just finished reading this.
Why didn't i read this earlier? this is exactly the kind of space opera, i have been craving for a while, it's plot-driven, very large on the plot-scale, and the writing while simplistic goes straight-to-the-point and makes it very accessible and readable. Going start reading the next in the series 'Foundation and empire' later today, cant wait.
mujun said:Quit while you are ahead
jon bones said:Didn't even start the first book, but I have a feeling I will want to read through the series without stopping so I just bought this on my lunch break. Can any GAFfers attest to this series? I'm not huge on fantasy, but I love ASOIAF.
Blackace said:pffft hater
Alucard said:I didn't hate his writing. It just took a few pages to accept it, and if I look at the book as an existentialist allegory on the very nature of things, then, as someone else pointed out, I can see the lack of punctuation mirroring the narrative. Essentially, rules are man-made, and nothing really has shape until we say it does.
This goes for ethics, morals, and everything else in the novel. I got the sense that existence was meaningless, and it is only human stubbornness and imagination that gives life to anything. That sounds bleak, but it also means that we can shape the world however we see fit, if we drop the idea that there are pre-described ways of seeing things.
Of course, the way the boy continues to react to his father's actions provides an opposing viewpoint to this theory. He seems to instinctively feel that some things are right, and some are wrong. So, who do we listen to? The experienced and worn father, or the innocent and pure child?
Caspel said:Question is, are the quality books? I've yet to start the Wheel of Time series, although I do own 4 of the books already (3 in hardcover, 1 in paperback).
Fleet of Foot said:Buying book 11 of a series before even starting book 1 is not the best idea. I've read book 1 of that series and it was...ok. I then started book 2 and didn't make it past the first 100 pages, where all the characters still haven't left the first town and nothing happens. So boring. I would be very surprised if you ever crack open that book 11.
otake said:I'm reading "A feast for Crows" by George RR Martin.
It's good but not what I expected at all......
Blackace said:Get every book you can by him.... very good writer, I have high high hopes for him
Night_Trekker said:That's an interesting way of looking at it. I suppose you could make a case that since the same basic worldview lies behind all of his novels, this is the reason for his writing style. I doubt it, but it's an interesting idea.
My take on the novel is similar: The Road is an allegory about life and death and existence (all of McCarthy's work is about the same basic subject matter). McCarthy conceived of the story when taking a vacation with his youngest son (who he fathered at a relatively old age, which possibly has a parallel to the father's slow, inevitable death by sickness).
You bring a child into the world with only one certainty about that child's existence--that your child will die someday--and that hopefully your child will live to see you die... and at that point will be alone in the world. If you were being completely objective about it, how could you choose to become a parent when humanity at large is so very clearly bloodthirsty and domineering by nature? (And I think his characterization is dead on in that regard--were the world to end in fire tomorrow, I don't doubt for a second the "blood cults" would begin to form.) Ideas about God and an afterlife are nice, but nobody can be certain about anything like that (far from it, in fact).
The father does what any father would do: he kills to protect his son when necessary, and he takes great pains to steel him against a ravenous, endlessly hostile universe while somehow also trying to protect his growing mind from the unimaginable human cruelty they encounter, to foster an irrational hope (one face of the multifaceted "fire" image) he knows will be the only thing to keep the boy alive when he himself no longer can. Isn't this the same irrational hope that keeps people believing in God, or humanity, or some higher "divine" truth or ideal that must somehow function as a counter-argument against the murder and rape and torture that is both our history (see: Blood Meridian) and our undeniable future?
But the son's role is no less crucial. The father keeps his son's naivety and compassion from getting them killed, but the boy reminds the father not to stray too far from that "light" they both carry. Move too far in either direction and they might as well join the mother or the cannibals.
The ending is seen as a cop-out by some, but I don't agree. Yes, it's very convenient for the tracker and his family (a playmate and a potential mate for the boy, as well as a mother figure!) to show up and take him under their care, but this isn't McCarthy ending the book on a high note to give the reader a nice, fuzzy feeling. McCarthy is pledging his belief in human goodness (however rare it may be in comparison to everything else humanity has to offer) and hope (however irrational or pointless it may be). At the end of the novel the world is still gone, and inevitable oblivion still awaits them on the road ahead. There are no answers, easy or otherwise, to be found. And they're they're still carrying the fire.
Perhaps that's all obvious, but once I start talking about this book (or anything else McCarthy has written), I just lose it :lol
jon bones said:why do you say that?
otake said:POV's for Cersei and Brienne, to name two. I enjoy the Cersei POV's just for the madness factor, but Brienne........ I dunno. I never expected so many random character POV's either.
Who would have expected an Asha POV?
Reading this on my Kindle. So far, really enjoying it.B_Rik_Schitthaus said:Neuromancer.(Up to chapter 5)
Good but so much techno-babble.
jon bones said:Ah, that's totally understandable. Didn't see any of that coming but it's all working towards the second arc of the story, the first 'build up' book since Game of Thrones.
Love the Ironmen in the book, though - straight up PIRATES.
otake said:agreed. it's good, just unexpected and not what I wanted after the previous books' ending.