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gutshot

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I never really paid cryonics much thought. Mostly just thought about it enough to laugh about the cryonics jokes in Futurama. Then I read Tim Urban's Wait But Why post about it and it really changed my perspective on it.

We think of the divide between life and death as a distinct boundary, and we believe that at any given point, a person is either definitively alive or definitively dead. But let’s examine that assumption for a second:

Let’s first talk about what it means when a person is “doomed” from a health standpoint. We can all agree that what constitutes someone being doomed depends on where, and when, they are. A three-year-old with advanced pneumonia in 1740 would probably have been doomed, while the same child with the same condition today might be fully treatable. The same story could be said of the fate of someone who falls badly ill in a remote village in Malawi compared with their fate if they were in London instead. “Doomed” depends on a number of factors.

That the same thing can be said of “dead” is at first pretty unintuitive. But Alcor’s CEO Max More puts it this way: “Fifty years ago if you were walking along the street and someone keeled over in front of you and stopped breathing you would have checked them out and said they were dead and disposed of them. Today we don’t do that, instead we do CPR and all kinds of things. People we thought were dead 50 years ago we now know were not.”

Today, dead means the heart has been stopped for 4-6 minutes, because that’s how long the brain can go without oxygen before brain death occurs. But Alcor, in its site’s Science FAQ, explains that “the brain ‘dies’ after several minutes without oxygen not because it is immediately destroyed, but because of a cascade of processes that commit it to destruction in the hours that follow restoration of warm blood circulation. Restoring circulation with cool blood instead of warm blood, reopening blocked vessels with high pressure, avoiding excessive oxygenation, and blocking cell death with drugs can prevent this destruction.” The site goes on to explain that “with new experimental treatments, more than 10 minutes of warm cardiac arrest can now be survived without brain injury. Future technologies for molecular repair may extend the frontiers of resuscitation beyond 60 minutes or more, making today’s beliefs about when death occurs obsolete.”

In other words, what we think of as “dead” actually means “doomed, under the current circumstances.” Someone fifty years ago who suffered from cardiac arrest wasn’t dead, they were doomed to die because the medical technology at the time couldn’t save them. Today, that person wouldn’t be considered dead yet because they wouldn’t be doomed yet. Instead, someone today “dies” 4-6 minutes after cardiac arrest, because that happens to be how long someone can currently go before modern technology can no longer help them.

Cryonicists view death not as a singular event, but as a process—one that starts when the heart stops beating and ends later at a point called “the information-theoretic criterion for death”—let’s call it “info death”—when the brain has become so damaged that no amount of present or future technology could restore it to its original state or have any way to retrieve its information.

Here’s an interesting way to think about it: Imagine a patient arriving in an ambulance to Hospital A, a typical modern hospital. The patient’s heart stopped 15 minutes before the EMTs arrived and he is immediately pronounced dead at the hospital. What if, though, the doctors at Hospital A learned that Hospital B across the street had developed a radical new technology that could revive a patient anytime within 60 minutes after cardiac arrest with no long-term damage? What would the people at Hospital A do?

Of course, they would rush the patient across the street to Hospital B to save him. If Hospital B did save the patient, then by definition the patient wouldn’t actually have been dead in Hospital A, just pronounced dead because Hospital A viewed him as entirely and without exception doomed.

What cryonicists suggest is that in many cases where today a patient is pronounced dead, they’re not dead but rather doomed, and that there is a Hospital B that can save the day—but instead of being in a different place, it’s in a different time. It’s in the future.

When you look at it like that, why wouldn't you want to do it?

Worst case scenario: you never get revived and your body and/or head just sit in liquid nitrogen forever.
Best case scenario: you come back into an amazing future and it's like you are a time traveler!

The craziest thing is you won't even feel like much time has passed because your biological processes have completely stopped. You will also have no recollection of your death because short term memory is not preserved by the vitrification process. It's like taking a really, really long power nap.

Anyway, I encourage people to read the full post as it goes into a lot of depth about the subject and just makes it sound really cool (no pun intended). Then come back here and answer the question: Would you sign up for it?
 

Cyan

Banned
I read the Wait But Why post and it moved me from "this is weird and I don't get why anyone would do it" to "this is weird but I guess I get why some people are doing it." I'm not signing up for it, it just creeps me out. But sure, if that's what floats your boat, go ahead.
 

Harlock

Member
So, that is the problem, when you are really dead? By today standards, if you are frozen, your cells become broken. No way back. But if in the future there are microrobots to rebuild everything?

You would be back to life. But, if there is life after dead, your soul is chained to your frozen body? Or there is not afterlife? Why Star Trek TNG don't bring dead people back to life when they are fatally shot?
 

A Fish Aficionado

I am going to make it through this year if it kills me
some fantastic logic on display here.
“Fifty years ago if you were walking along the street and someone keeled over in front of you and stopped breathing you would have checked them out and said they were dead and disposed of them. Today we don’t do that, instead we do CPR and all kinds of things. People we thought were dead 50 years ago we now know were not.”

you're mummified. that's it.
 
The CPR comparison is directly addressed in this article from a couple years ago, Cold Reality vs. the Wishful Thinking of Cryonics. Key passage:

You can see this from the utter nonsense of the example of defibrillation. CPR and cardiac defibrillation can save lives because a fibrillating heart is still alive. Indeed, the cardiac muscle cells are still contracting and have electrical activity; they’re just doing so in a disjointed way that doesn’t produce meaningful contractions of the muscle mass that can produce any pumping power. If you’ve ever actually seen a heart that’s fibrillating, you’ll notice that it’s lamely twitching. Boiled down to its essence, the idea of the electrical shock is to “reset” all the cells to allow the intrinsic electrical pacemakers of the heart to take over and get them contracting in unison again. A heart that’s just lying there is in asystole, which is a state that defibrillation can almost never reverse, so much so that cardioversion isn’t even recommended anymore in the ACLS algorithm for aystole.

That’s why the ability of these interventions to save life rapidly declines with time after cardiac arrest. Within minutes, the heart muscle cells, deprived of oxygen-rich blood, start really dying. Once they do, no amount of CPR or defibrillation will get them working again. Basically, as soon as the heart stops, heart muscle cells start dying, and the more of them that die, the less the chance of getting the heart started again. Before defibrillation, patients only appeared “dead” because death at the time was defined as no pulse, no breathing, and no heartbeat, and the technology to get the heart going again before irreversible damage to the heart muscle occurred didn’t exist. Even so, occasionally people would “wake up” in response to a sharp blow to the chest.

The problem of the dead heart, however, is minor compared to the problem of the dead brain. The brain is highly metabolically active and is thus exquisitely sensitive to interruptions in blood flow. As soon as the blood flow stops from a cardiac arrest, the brain starts losing cells, and it only takes a few minutes before severe and permanent brain damage occurs that rapidly progresses to brain death; i.e., the death of the neurons controlling the “higher’ functions. Sadly, many are the times that patients in cardiac arrest have been resuscitated, only have severe anoxic brain injury (injury due to lack of oxygen) or be brain dead. Granting the fantastical assumptions behind the cryonics movement, specifically that dead people can be frozen and then successfully revived, what about the brain? Everything that defines your consciousness and personality comes from the function of your brain.

There's just no comparison. I don't believe any of the cryonics processes available adequately minimize the damage caused by the freezing process itself, either. There's nothing evidence-based about cryonics. It is junk science.
 

gutshot

Member
So, that is the problem, when you are really dead? By today standards, if you are frozen, your cells become broken. No way back. But if in the future there are microrobots to rebuild everything?

You would be back to life. But, if there is life after dead, your soul is chained to your frozen body? Or there is not afterlife? Why Star Trek TNG don't bring dead people back to life when they are fatally shot?

The post talks about this but the freezing process you go through, technically called vitrification, is done in a way to mitigate cell damage. If done correctly, there should be nearly zero cell damage. We'll still need future technology to resuscitate a "dead" brain and place it onto a new body, but cell reconstruction shouldn't have to be too big a part of it.

The afterlife thing is obviously an unknown. Each person has different beliefs and I'm assuming most people who've been cryonically preserved don't believe in a soul or afterlife.
 

Mugsy

Member
Worst case scenario: you end up guest starring in a Season 1 TNG episode
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Fixed that for you.
 

Opto

Banned
Best case scenario is still horrible because your job skills are probably defunct or decades behind. You're an adult and you're all alone in a future you don't understand. Even if you're a pretty progressive person, you'll likely be carrying around some bigotry by future standards. You'd be more of an annoying old person than the future's old people!
 

Air

Banned
Not my cup of tea, I'd always imagine when I go, I'd be able to accept my fate at that time. Cryonics, without trying to sound rude - seems like wishful thinking to me. Maybe the tech will be there one day, but for as much money you'd need to preserve yourself, I'd rather give it to my family so they can live a better life.
 

Geist-

Member
I don't really have any faith in the current state of Cryonics. It's bad, there's a lot of psuedoscience going around, and the companies that practice it tend to prey on the desperate.

I'd do it if they proved that a person can get frozen alive and unfrozen, alive. But until I see that, it's just not worth it.

If it did work though, I'd definitely be worried about a Transmetropolitan situation where the people of the future are just so different from the people of today that frozen individuals have a hard time integrating and they are treated like shit.

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Acorn

Member
I don't want to live forever so no. And no I don't currently want to die either before some smart ass says that.
 

thelatestmodel

Junior, please.
Cryonics is old hat, I'm downloading my brain into a computer.

Seriously though, I think "fool's errand" is pretty accurate right now.
 

snacknuts

we all knew her
Regardless of your perspective on death, I have no desire to live forever or even for a really long time, so this holds no appeal to me.
 

JordanN

Banned
I don't want to live forever so no. And no I don't currently want to die either before some smart ass says that.

Is living forever even possible?

Even if humans become biologically immortal what about the rest of the universe?

What happens when the sun blows up or a blackhole appears right next to earth?
 

Feep

Banned
I'm actually in. I'd like to die when I'm good and ready, thanks.

I expect a ton of people to be against cryonics for a variety of reasons. I think the strongest argument is against *current* cryonics companies being weird, but that's like saying GMO's are bad because Monsanto sucks.

There's just no comparison. I don't believe any of the cryonics processes available adequately minimize the damage caused by the freezing process itself, either. There's nothing evidence-based about cryonics. It is junk science.
The brain is vitrified, not frozen.

Inevitably, the brain will not be perfectly preserved. The point is to have the underlying structure intact so that an exceptionally advanced technology could appropriately repair and revive it.
 
Is living forever even possible?

Even if humans become biologically immortal what about the rest of the universe?

What happens when the sun blows up or a blackhole appears right next to earth?

What happens after the heat death of the universe?

Obviously "live forever" can be extrapolated to a ridiculous extreme, but I don't think that's what anyone is talking about.

Besides, if we don't bail on this solar system by the time the sun swallows the Earth, we deserve to be wiped out. ;p
 

Kinyou

Member
Isn't a large problem right now the freezing process itself? I think the chances to get revived are incredible slim until we have that figured out.
 

gutshot

Member
The CPR comparison is directly addressed in this article from a couple years ago, Cold Reality vs. the Wishful Thinking of Cryonics. Key passage:



There's just no comparison. I don't believe any of the cryonics processes available adequately minimize the damage caused by the freezing process itself, either. There's nothing evidence-based about cryonics. It is junk science.

I'm not sure what you quoted actually disproves any of it. The CPR example is just used as an illustration for another way of looking at cryonics. It's not "bringing someone back from the dead" any more than performing CPR is "bringing someone back from the dead". It all depends on how you look at it.

Brain death is a problem and one that cyronicists are acutely aware of. That is why they attempt to perform the vitrification process as quickly as possible after a patient is declared "legally dead". The ones that are successfully vitrified quickest are the ones who have the best chance of survival.

I mean, it's definitely a long shot, but I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility.
 

Freshmaker

I am Korean.
When you look at it like that, why wouldn't you want to do it?

Worst case scenario: you never get revived and your body and/or head just sit in liquid nitrogen forever.
Best case scenario: you come back into an amazing future and it's like you are a time traveler!

Unless they've figured out how to prevent the expanding ice crystals in your cells from shredding them from the inside, there's really nothing left of your brain to revive in the future. It's all finely minced hamburger.

Even with vitrification, the chemicals they use to prevent the ice crystal formation are toxic. They're just hoping that at some point people will be able to figure out how to thaw and unpoision you before it kills you outright with nanomachines or something.
 

gutshot

Member
Isn't a large problem right now the freezing process itself? I think the chances to get revived are incredible slim until we have that figured out.

The freezing process is called vitrification and has been used to preserve transplanted organs. These organs are successfully unvitrified after a period of time and function normally. Obviously, something like that has never been done on a human brain. But it is just an organ like all the rest, albeit vastly more delicate and complex. It will take some exceptionally advanced technology to be able to reverse the vitrification process and return the brain to an active state, but my understanding is that it is at least theoretically possible.

Unless they've figured out how to prevent the expanding ice crystals in your cells from shredding them from the inside, there's really nothing left of your brain to revive in the future. It's all finely minced hamburger.

Read the post. It explains why this is not an issue.
 

Feep

Banned
Isn't a large problem right now the freezing process itself? I think the chances to get revived are incredible slim until we have that figured out.

Unless they've figured out how to prevent the expanding ice crystals in your cells from shredding them from the inside, there's really nothing left of your brain to revive in the future. It's all finely minced hamburger.
Please read the article. This is a thing.
 
I'm not sure what you quoted actually disproves any of it. The CPR example is just used as an illustration for another way of looking at cryonics. It's not "bringing someone back from the dead" any more than performing CPR is "bringing someone back from the dead". It all depends on how you look at it.

Brain death is a problem and one that cyronicists are acutely aware of. That is why they attempt to perform the vitrification process as quickly as possible after a patient is declared "legally dead". The ones that are successfully vitrified quickest are the ones who have the best chance of survival.

I mean, it's definitely a long shot, but I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility.

So why are they effectively doing medical trials on people - who are paying them (often exorbitant sums) out of their own pocket - to attempt to perfect a process which they haven't been able to successfully demonstrate in any large mammals? I guess that's my problem with the whole thing. People are free to do what they want with their own money, but they could be using that to improve their own lives now or the lives of others now. Instead they are giving it to people who say they can (eventually) deliver on a concept which they haven't managed to get past the trial phase.

If there were more ethics in the way cryonics is developed and tested I would be fine with it but the way things are now it just seems like a big scam. Asking people to fork over a lot of cash for the privilege of being part of a medical trial based entirely on hypotheticals does not sit well with me.
 

Kinitari

Black Canada Mafia
Conceptually, if I'm allowed to play around with this idea and can pretend that future versions of humanity have access to technology that's cray sci-fi like, I think the idea of damage to the brain or cell death can be somewhat overcome. Lets pretend that your brain gets frozen and you only preserve 70% of the structure, what if in the future a brain scanning device can look at the structure and 'figure out' the missing/destroyed parts of the brain to a significant degree of accuracy - so lets say of that missing 30%, 20% can be rebuilt with high confidence. Of that remaining 10%, it can be rebuilt with mild confidence. In the end your brain ends up being an extremely close approximation, and the damage done might not be much different than from a concussion.

If we can imagine a world where there could be technology that could easily digitize a brain and intelligently repair the missing information, or even if you get to the point where you can have pre-death 'screen shots' of your brain to help fill in the gaps, you could then maybe have some technology that would manually repair or recreate this brain to bring you back to life.
 
The freezing process is called vitrification and has been used to preserve transplanted organs. These organs are successfully unvitrified after a period of time and function normally.

This is really not an accurate statement. Vitrification is not used routinely, or ever, in human organ transplants. There's one successful study of a kidney that was revived after vitrification, which suggests the concept is not insane, but there's a load of difference between a kidney and, say, a brain. There's redundancy in having two kidneys but there's also redundancy in the structure of the kidney itself since the nephron is a repeating unit in the kidney. You can survive on one kidney; you can survive on part of a kidney. You could survive on part of a brain too... but there are consequences to brain damage that are more severe. I took a look at the paper that transplanted the kidney; even then there was cortical and medullary damage; ie the kidney was not perfectly preserved. Also the investigators used a custom cooling solution and the history of the experiment demonstrated multiple failures.

To suggest that the "freezing" part of cyronics is solved is fairly ludicrous. We were able to successfully vitrify and recover a rabbit kidney. Which is smaller than a human brain, less complex than a human brain, is intrinsically and structurally redundant unlike a human brain, and even then there was damage to the kidney from the freezing and symptoms of renal failure seen in the rabbit for several days immediately post operation. Not to mention the metabolic load and activity the brain does is far in excess to that of the kidney, which would be far less sensitive to anoxic injury. Not to mention even this result required trial and error with different cooling solutions.

All cryonics has proven is that it's not impossible to preserve and recover a kidney. That can revolutionize the end-stage renal business, don't get me wrong, but it's a massive stretch to imply we have any modicum of evidence supporting "safe" freezing of a human brain.
 

SkyOdin

Member
I would recommend waiting for the technology to actually exist before blindly placing faith in the unknown technology of the future. The reality is that we have no idea what technologies will exist in the future, let alone what their limitations will be. Humanity has a poor track record of predicting the future: we overestimate future advancements just as often as we are surprised by technological breakthroughs.
 

Feep

Banned
This is really not an accurate statement. Vitrification is not used routinely, or ever, in human organ transplants. There's one successful study of a kidney that was revived after vitrification, which suggests the concept is not insane, but there's a load of difference between a kidney and, say, a brain. There's redundancy in having two kidneys but there's also redundancy in the structure of the kidney itself since the nephron is a repeating unit in the kidney. You can survive on one kidney; you can survive on part of a kidney. You could survive on part of a brain too... but there are consequences to brain damage that are more severe. I took a look at the paper that transplanted the kidney; even then there was cortical and medullary damage; ie the kidney was not perfectly preserved. Also the investigators used a custom cooling solution and the history of the experiment demonstrated multiple failures.

To suggest that the "freezing" part of cyronics is solved is fairly ludicrous. We were able to successfully vitrify and recover a rabbit kidney. Which is smaller than a human brain, less complex than a human brain, is intrinsically and structurally redundant unlike a human brain, and even then there was damage to the kidney from the freezing and symptoms of renal failure seen in the rabbit for several days immediately post operation. Not to mention even this result required trial and error with different cooling solutions.

All cryonics has proven is that it's not impossible to preserve and recover a kidney. That can revolutionize the end-stage renal business, don't get me wrong, but it's a massive stretch to imply we have any modicum of evidence supporting "safe" freezing of a human brain.
It's a fairly promising study, showing that vitrification is a fundamentally sound procedure. I'm planning a good 50+ years before I *actually* die and get vitrified, allowing for 50+ years of advances in this field. I expect my brain to be very well-preserved, and I don't think that's much of a stretch, personally.
 

Freshmaker

I am Korean.
Read the post. It explains why this is not an issue.

I win with the stealth edit.

Also Feep from your own link:

Major advances in vitrification technology have recently been reported,6,39 and it is now possible to vitrify entire organs,6 but to do so with full recovery of viability after transplantation is still difficult due in large part to devitrification. Devitrification is ice formation during rewarming, and it arises because ice nuclei, which form initially only at temperatures too low for appreciable crystal growth,36,40 encounter temperatures during warming that maximize ice growth.40,41 To date, small ovaries,42–45 blood vessels,11 heart valves,46 corneas47 and similar structures48 that can all be cooled and rewarmed rather rapidly so as to avoid devitrification, are the only macroscopic structures that have been reported to recover at least in part after vitrification.
So right now vitirfication still = organ death since thawing it out still introduces ice crystal formation.
 

Feep

Banned
So right now vitirfication still = organ death since thawing it out still introduces ice crystal formation.
You just quoted a section I can paraphrase as "Organ vitrification and revival is hard but it can be done," from a paper that literally successfully vitrified and revived an organ.
 

DECK'ARD

The Amiga Brotherhood
You might as well have a friend or family member saw off your head and pop it in the freezer when you die.

Chances are the same.
 

Freshmaker

I am Korean.
You just quoted a section I can paraphrase as "Organ vitrification and revival is hard but it can be done," from a paper that literally successfully vitrified and revived an organ.

"the only macroscopic structures that have been reported to recover at least in part after vitrification"

The didn't say it's hard. They said only those things they listed don't end up dead.

Also the rabbit kidney suffered a lot of damage. Seems a weird thing to pin one's future hat on when the technique is still half baked at best.
 

Feep

Banned
"the only macroscopic structures that have been reported to recover at least in part after vitrification"

The didn't say it's hard. They said only those things they listed don't end up dead.
Good lord, man, read the paper. You are quoting an *introduction* that discusses *past attempts and difficulties regarding vitrification*.

The paper than goes on to describe a *successful procedure* with a *large-scale organ*, the rabbit kidney.

Also the rabbit kidney suffered a lot of damage. Seems a weird thing to pin one's future hat on when the technique is still half baked at best.
Will it be half-baked in fifty years, when I (hopefully) die? This is promising stuff.
 

Freshmaker

I am Korean.
The paper than goes on to describe a *successful procedure* with a *large-scale organ*, the rabbit kidney.
The transplant worked, the rabbit suffered multiple ailments lost weight, then they euthanized it.

Brilliant trial.

Will it be half-baked in fifty years, when I (hopefully) die? This is promising stuff.
Potentially. One organ's one thing. Getting that right for multiple structures is going to be fiddly.
 

Feep

Banned
The transplant worked, the rabbit suffered multiple ailments lost weight, then they euthanized it.

Brilliant trial.
Not to keep harping on this, but yes, it was a brilliant trial. It's the first time in human history that an organ of any kind was brought down to hyper-low temperatures, brought back up, and still functioned well enough to support life. You downplaying this, even disregarding cryonics entirely, is utterly insane. The incredible applications this could eventually have in organ transplants could save thousands of lives.

Stop being jaded.
 

Gotchaye

Member
I'd say that there's only a slim chance that anyone being frozen today will be revived at all, and basically no chance of them being revived as the same person they were before death. Worrying too much about this seems unhealthy.

The big issue I have with this:
What cryonicists suggest is that in many cases where today a patient is pronounced dead, they’re not dead but rather doomed, and that there is a Hospital B that can save the day—but instead of being in a different place, it’s in a different time. It’s in the future.
is that we know we can't preserve brains very well. Like, it's all well and good to know that there is a Hospital B close by that can give me the help I need, but if the only way to get into that hospital is to be chopped into fine pieces and sent through an ordinary drinking straw that's going to be a whole other problem.

And obviously the actually-existing cryonics companies we've got don't really seem all that trustworthy in any sense, even if in principle someone could be frozen today and revived a hundred years from now.

Edit: Also note that there's a clear opportunity cost here - the life insurance policy costs money.
 
The transplant worked, the rabbit suffered multiple ailments lost weight, then they euthanized it.

Brilliant trial.

To be fair the rabbit lived for 48 days and was euthanized to harvest the organ and not because of its health; the paper notes its health was stable at that point albeit underweight with unspecified urinary output issues. If we trust the results the kidney basically seemed to work as intended though with issues immediately following reimplantation.

Not to keep harping on this, but yes, it was a brilliant trial. It's the first time in human history that an organ of any kind was brought down to hyper-low temperatures, brought back up, and still functioned well enough to support life. You downplaying this, even disregarding cryonics entirely, is utterly insane. The incredible applications this could eventually have in organ transplants could save thousands of lives.

Stop being jaded.

And I can argue that you are being far too optimistic here. It's a good proof of concept paper for potential advances in kidney transplantation, but to sell it as a proof of concept for cryonics is ridiculous.There's a reason it's published in a fairly low-impact journal and not cited very frequently; this is not some groundbreaking "brilliant" trial. It's an isolated proof of concept that shows something is possible, and only if you're willing to be tolerant of multiple trails and a frankly imperfectly preserved kidney. It suggests with enough research one day we may be able to find a cooling solution that can preserve ENOUGH of the human kidney to transplant it to another living donor. You can not casually compare a kidney to a brain in terms of complexity and feasibility for preservation. They are very different organs, with very different needs and one is far, far less tolerant of injury.
 

JordanN

Banned
You might as well have a friend or family member saw off your head and pop it in the freezer when you die.

Chances are the same.
"I can’t even keep my Dad’s head in the freaking cryogenic center anymore... You comfortable in there, daddy?"

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it's probably the only reason why i cling to the hope that there is an afterlife. living forever...whatever. i'm just so curious as to what society and culture will be like 100-200 years from now.

i wanna observe from outer space.
 
some fantastic logic on display here.


you're mummified. that's it.

As long as you preserve everything well enough (whatever that means in terms of the revival technology) this is much different than regular mummification. Especially using vitrification.

There is no rational reason to assume a vitrified person cannot be revived eventually.

On topic: I've thought about doing this since I was a little kid. It's better than nothing and should improve a lot more in the 30 years until I, hopefully, would use it.
 
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