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[PocoJoe]

Are you all that excited about a sequential number?

That consoles (well, PS5) isnt limited by old computers and piracy that limits the quality and quantity of great games.

Devs can make games for 3000€ computers but 90% of pc gamers still use semi-old stuff that would not run it.

Next gen will give great quality, easy use and great games.

 

[Kenpachii]

I care only for numbers.
And your numbers tell me that 4k@60 is a fantasy on PC even for past-gen.
And some lunatics were saying 120fps...

Depends on what you define as fantasy.

 

[TheSpecialOne]

Your estimates are shit tier if you think you are getting over $1000 of hardware, for less than $600. You do know the power requirements of a 3700x, right? Or are you just as uneducated in pc parts and performance, as well as requirements for ample cooling. Guess you didn't think that far ahead, before you began talking out of your ass. Get a clue, and come back with an intelligent response next time.

I'll preface this post by informing you that this will be my last response to your post. Having a discussion with you is a terrible use of my time and clearly, you're talking out of your behind. If you even spent a little time to educate yourself, this topic might be worth discussing.


Like I said, you don't know what you're talking about. Sony and Microsoft license the design from amd and get TSMC to build fab their chips. They're paying only fab costs + license fee for the design. Just because amd can get away with charging with healthy margins on retail doesn't mean Sony and Microsoft purchase at retail price. Neither Microsoft nor Sony will pay more than $200 for the soc containing a gpu that has greater gpu power than the 5700xt and equivalent CPU power to the 3700x but at lower clock speeds. I'm greatly overestimating when it comes to soc costs. With regards to your comments on power consumption, go look at ryzen power consumption charts at various clock speeds.

I don't know when they started allowing clowns on Gaf but they need to stop. Your posts are terrible and unintelligent. If you had spent any time looking at bom costs and reviewing historical soc costs, you would have never posted your initial post.

 

[DoctaThompson]

I'll preface this post by informing you that this will be my last response to your post. Having a discussion with you is a terrible use of my time and clearly, you're talking out of your behind. If you even spent a little time to educate yourself, this topic might be worth discussing.


Like I said, you don't know what you're talking about. Sony and Microsoft license the design from amd and get TSMC to build fab their chips. They're paying only fab costs + license fee for the design. Just because amd can get away with charging with healthy margins on retail doesn't mean Sony and Microsoft purchase at retail price. Neither Microsoft nor Sony will pay more than $200 for the soc containing a gpu that has greater gpu power than the 5700xt and equivalent CPU power to the 3700x but at lower clock speeds. I'm greatly overestimating when it comes to soc costs. With regards to your comments on power consumption, go look at ryzen power consumption charts at various clock speeds.

I don't know when they started allowing clowns on Gaf but they need to stop. Your posts are terrible and unintelligent. If you had spent any time looking at bom costs and reviewing historical soc costs, you would have never posted your initial post.

Just like all of your previous threads and posts, people will continue to tell you how uninformed you truly are. Look at your post history for a simple reminder. Common sense alone will show you it's definitely not the 3700x. You have got to be borderline retarded if you truly believe that. Go back to your caves and troll elsewhere. You don't even have the slightest clue of what the final hardware will be, so it's pretty stupid to claim to know the exact model processor, without having the slightest idea.

Come on man, you can't be this dull, can you? You'll be proven wrong when console release, and I'll bookmark this post just to come back and tell you how Ill informed you really are. Gain some knowledge in the mean time and do some basic research, then come back. Good luck kid, as your user name really checks out and suits you well.

 

[psorcerer]

Depends on what you define as fantasy.

Fantasy is living in the world where console hw and PC "almost the same" parts perform on the same level. They clearly not.
Another fantasy is living in the word where PC "almost the same" hardware costs the same as the console hardware (as if these retail margins never existed).
And yet another fantasy is that PCs vastly outperform consoles this generation, when in reality you get either "ultra" settings or "4K" or "2x fps" and usually only one of them at a time (sometimes two, if the developers are good, case in point: RE2 Remake).

 

[PlayStaytion]

Amd walking on nvidias feet , what you've been told, it's competing with enthusiast level market but in reality it's just a midrange gpu marketed as high end gpu ,same old story all over again.

 

[Tarin02543]

I am now playing through Kingdom Come Deliverance, a free game given to me by Epic.

It runs surprisingly well on my 8 year old i7 3770 / 4 year old gtx 1060.

 

[LordKasual]

A console is a specalized, EZ-mode high-end gaming machine.

Buy one if you don't care to bother researching, buying, and making a PC.

If you make a gaming PC, you can now enjoy a high-end gaming machine, complete with full customization of features, modding, cheap game sales, and most importantly of all:

A l t - T a b b i n g

or multi-screen setups if you're particularly fancy.

but either way, if you can afford a gaming PC, i see little reason why you can't also afford a console?

Just get everything and then be welcomed into the TRUE masterrace -- people with money

 

[diffusionx]

A console is a specalized, EZ-mode high-end gaming machine.

Buy one if you don't care to bother researching, buying, and making a PC.

If you make a gaming PC, you can now enjoy a high-end gaming machine, complete with full customization of features, modding, cheap game sales, and most importantly of all:

A l t - T a b b i n g

or multi-screen setups if you're particularly fancy.

but either way, if you can afford a gaming PC, i see little reason why you can't also afford a console?

Just get everything and then be welcomed into the TRUE masterrace -- people with money

the truth is, if you can afford a high end PC, there is little justification for a console this gen. The PC can run every multiplat game better, there is more flexibility, and exclusives aren't what they used to be. As good as Sony's exclusives are this gen there are like 15 or 20 of them over 7 years, and Xbox, forget about it. and with Sony putting ports on PC, there might be even less of a justification moving forward.

 

[GymWolf]

You seriously think those parts for those prices are going to match the performance of the Series X or PS5 which most games don't forget are optimised for console. Good luck getting Native 4K 60-90fps out of that which is what they are easily going to do.. Stop spouting crap! Give me the specific specs of those parts so I can discount what you are saying. I used to build PC's. I have a gaming PC.. you are talking smack! I'm not some console only gamer you can fool buddy,

really curious to see all these games at "easily" 4k60-90 frames on console...

 

[KlickKlack]

Fantasy is living in the world where console hw and PC "almost the same" parts perform on the same level. They clearly not.
Another fantasy is living in the word where PC "almost the same" hardware costs the same as the console hardware (as if these retail margins never existed).
And yet another fantasy is that PCs vastly outperform consoles this generation, when in reality you get either "ultra" settings or "4K" or "2x fps" and usually only one of them at a time (sometimes two, if the developers are good, case in point: RE2 Remake).

the biggest fantasy:
100% of pc players have top notch pc.

reality: 0,1% has gtx 2080 or above

when consoles are out, consolen players will have better hardware then 99% of pc players PLUS NO CHEATERS PROBLEMS IN MP GAMES

 

[Gamerguy84]

Developers and the games.

 

[magnumpy]

Are you all that excited about a sequential number?

but what you didn't take into account is that this is the best of all the sequential numbers

 

[Shadowstar39]

Are you all that excited about a sequential number?

Games, actual AAA games that are made for them. PC only has indies and free2play gunk. Even mmos have gone away unless free2play. Most non strategy games that are made for pc today are all multiplayer focused and the ones that are not are not AAA games. PCs are at the mercy for consoles to advance before they get ports of console games. It used to not be that way, but it has been this way for years now. In the past pc had exclusive AAA, but since after crysis1 it's dried up big time , unfortunately.

Consoles give us great single player games, and multiplat fps, rpg and open world action games. Although console doesn't get grand strategy and tbs strategy that pc does (although that maybe changing, stellaris was out on ps4, and so is games like tropico, surving mars etc..

 

[llien]

Steam sales

Touche!

Ability to buy/sell/share games.

 

[recursive]

It'd love yo see just trying to login to Windows or getting into Bios with nothing but a controller, to witness how simple operating a PC without M+K is. really.

How often are you getting into the BIOS that it even becomes part of your argument? You can easily setup to boot right into steam big picture mode.

 

[POTUS]

The main differentiator that anyone can afford a $500 console. Only fanatics can afford a $1500 gaming pc that you have to spend $500 to upgrade every two years.

 

[CrustyBritches]

I'm not trying to advocate either PC or console, but with PC getting more and more console games and having such massive support for Xbox One gamepad, I've had more than my fair share of playing with my PC connected to a TV. You can configure Steam Big Picture to boot with Windows, but honestly for the kind of stuff I do, even connected to a TV, the easiest route to take is just get one of these for $18:

 

[ZywyPL]

How often are you getting into the BIOS that it even becomes part of your argument? You can easily setup to boot right into steam big picture mode.

Another Steam fanatic I see... Well fuck Steam. What if I want to play EA games? Ubisoft games? Blizz games? Epic Games? MS games? GOG games? Use Word or Excel? Browse the web? What if I actually want to use PCs full capabilities, which actually makes it different than consoles? Because using PC as a Steam-only machine actually makes the PC way less capable than consoles already are. There is a reason Steam machines failed so fucking hard.

 

[recursive]

Another Steam fanatic I see... Well fuck Steam. What if I want to play EA games? Ubisoft games? Blizz games? Epic Games? MS games? GOG games? Use Word or Excel? Browse the web? What if I actually want to use PCs full capabilities, which actually makes it different than consoles? Because using PC as a Steam-only machine actually makes the PC way less capable than consoles already are. There is a reason Steam machines failed so fucking hard.

I actually play primarily on ps4..but nice try. You can set steam up to run other games outside of steam. And wtf does excel have to do with gaming on your tv? Another console fanatic I see...

 

[CitizenX3639]

Congrats you paid $500 to play 2 games

 

[n0razi]

The main differentiator that anyone can afford a $500 console. Only fanatics can afford a $1500 gaming pc that you have to spend $500 to upgrade every two years.

If you look at the long term cost of ownership... its pretty even due to console peripherals and software being more expensive.

IE, my friend bought his daughter a $300 Nintendo Switch for her birthday but ended up spending about $800 after a few games and extra controllers... a 512gb microSD card was $300 alone when you can get a 1TB SSD for like $150 these days. Nintendo 1st party games are $60 each and rarely go on sale. Steam sales let you buy AAA games for $10-20 ea.

$1500 is crazy talk. You can buy or build a relatively strong PC for under $800

 

[GymWolf]

I'm not trying to advocate either PC or console, but with PC getting more and more console games and having such massive support for Xbox One gamepad, I've had more than my fair share of playing with my PC connected to a TV. You can configure Steam Big Picture to boot with Windows, but honestly for the kind of stuff I do, even connected to a TV, the easiest route to take is just get one of these for $18:

i use something similar when i use my pc as a mediacenter with my oled tv.
it's the mirosoft one.
also a related question, why these fucking wireless keyboard lose range with time? is it a matter of batteries? like better batteries have more and stable range or it's just the bluetouth chip that gets old and perform worst?

 

[CrustyBritches]

i use something similar when i use my pc as a mediacenter with my oled tv.
it's the mirosoft one.
also a related question, why these fucking wireless keyboard lose range with time? is it a matter of batteries? like better batteries have more and stable range or it's just the bluetouth chip that gets old and perform worst?

I've had both the Logitech and Blackweb, and the Logitech has been much better. The Blackweb did get funky was when the battery was getting low. On my main PC, I use another wireless Logitech keyboard(mk345)...

...but I originally had it on the living room PC. For some reason it always had issues with connection, but when I moved it onto my main PC and just used the keyboard, since it was very comfortable, along with a wired mouse it works great. I'm guessing I was getting some sort of interference from either the Wi-Fi or bluetooth signal in the living room, and I don't run into that problem using it in the bedroom since I have ethernet cable via wall jack and use a wired Razer gamepad on that PC.

TLDR: Probably either weak battery strength or interference from other devices. The Logitech keyboards use 2.4GHz RF wireless connection, maybe my Nighthawk X6 router was messing with it.

 

[GymWolf]

I've had both the Logitech and Blackweb, and the Logitech has been much better. The Blackweb did get funky was when the battery was getting low. On my main PC, I use another wireless Logitech keyboard(mk345)...

...but I originally had it on the living room PC. For some reason it always had issues with connection, but when I moved it onto my main PC and just used the keyboard, since it was very comfortable, along with a wired mouse it works great. I'm guessing I was getting some sort of interference from either the Wi-Fi or bluetooth signal in the living room, and I don't run into that problem using it in the bedroom since I have ethernet cable via wall jack and use a wired Razer gamepad on that PC.

TLDR: Probably either weak battery strength or interference from other devices. The Logitech keyboards use 2.4GHz RF wireless connection, maybe my Nighthawk X6 router was messing with it.

yeah it's probably another wifi signal messing with the keyboard.

 

[diffusionx]

Another Steam fanatic I see... Well fuck Steam. What if I want to play EA games? Ubisoft games? Blizz games? Epic Games? MS games? GOG games? Use Word or Excel? Browse the web? What if I actually want to use PCs full capabilities, which actually makes it different than consoles? Because using PC as a Steam-only machine actually makes the PC way less capable than consoles already are. There is a reason Steam machines failed so fucking hard.

Yea, Steam Machines bombed because it took away many of the upsides of PC and kept the downsides. I saw it coming a mile away but people were like muh windows 8 and cheered it on.

But you do know that even if you setup the PC to boot into Steam BPM, you can always minimize it and go to the desktop with a few clicks right? It's not actually a Steam machine in that instance. Booting into Steam BPM could work for people in most if not all use cases depending on what games they play.

 

[DoctaThompson]

The main differentiator that anyone can afford a $500 console. Only fanatics can afford a $1500 gaming pc that you have to spend $500 to upgrade every two years.

You can spend over 1500 in a single console generation, without any games. Just the console, psn/xbl, the base console, and mid cycle refresh after the first 3or so years. (Pro or one x equivalent). A pc would be much more cost effective at that price, and have better hardware.

If price wasn't a factor, I'm sure most people would opt for the better hardware, and get the exclusives they want.

 

[Gamer79]

This thread is going to be a cesspool for fanboys,

 

[DoctaThompson]

This thread is going to be a cesspool for fanboys,

*Console Fanboys*
There are two sides saying they will have more powerful machines. Only one is correct, and it's not consoles. History and current and old technology proves this

 

[Arkage]

Without reading any of the thread, for me it has to do with surrounding equipment. My laptop has a 2080 Max Q so it's probably as powerful as any next gen console that will come out, if not moreso. But additional issues are: next gen consoles get my 7.1 Dolby surround and a 4k LG Oled display. They get better cooling solutions than a laptop even though I have LM. They get better optimization. It's the totality of the experience.

Of course I only say this as someone with a good amount of disposable income. Otherwise, you're just down to the appeal of console exclusive, which win the day for Sony IMO.

 

[DoctaThompson]

Without reading any of the thread, for me it has to do with surrounding equipment. My laptop has a 2080 Max Q so it's probably as powerful as any next gen console that will come out, if not moreso. But additional issues are: next gen consoles get my 7.1 Dolby surround and a 4k LG Oled display. They get better cooling solutions than a laptop even though I have LM. They get better optimization. It's the totality of the experience.

Of course I only say this as someone with a good amount of disposable income. Otherwise, you're just down to the appeal of console exclusive, which win the day for Sony IMO.

If not for portability, why get an expensive laptop to game on? If you have money for a gaming laptop, you have more than enough money for a beast of a tower to beat next gen for eternity. Sound solutions are early fixed with a dac output for sound.

 

[Trimesh]

Not true. If you want to you can install MSDOS and run those games just fine without emulation. Besides which...you can emulate on PC...so yes...that is exactly true.

Well, you MAY be able to install MSDOS depending on how old your machine is. Modern machines are all using UEFI, and that uses a component called "CSM" (compatibility support module) to boot old OSes - the level of support for this component has been slowly dropping over time. Originally, all machines had it and it was enabled by default, then it became something you had to turn on (often called something like "Legacy OS support")

Next was machines that turned it off, and even when you turned it on it would only work with external drives - and finally we have the machines that have no CSM at all - and hence can only boot UEFI aware OSes and only from media with GPT partititoning.

If you really want to use old OSes, it's much easier to just use old machines - I've still got an old 1.33GHz Pentium III machine I use for this stuff.

 

[ZywyPL]

But you do know that even if you setup the PC to boot into Steam BPM, you can always minimize it and go to the desktop with a few clicks right?.

That's exactly my whole point, no matter what and how hard you try PC is never meant to be used in the living room, because it will always need M+K to be fully functional, no matter how hard someone will try to deny it.

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

You seriously think those parts for those prices are going to match the performance of the Series X or PS5 which most games don't forget are optimised for console. Good luck getting Native 4K 60-90fps out of that which is what they are easily going to do.. Stop spouting crap! Give me the specific specs of those parts so I can discount what you are saying. I used to build PC's. I have a gaming PC.. you are talking smack! I'm not some console only gamer you can fool buddy,

I have no qualms with those who prefer console gaming over PC gaming, but this is simply not going to happen, at least not for the majority of games that will release. You can add to this if any of the games feature ray tracing cause on consoles that will tank the performance across the board even more. The gpu in the XSX is on par with a gpu that came out in late 2018, its still a good card but it wont be anywhere near the gpus coming out this year. Granted those will cost a good amount but there will be a major gap in power/performance once again.

 

[Kenpachii]

Fantasy is living in the world where console hw and PC "almost the same" parts perform on the same level. They clearly not.
Another fantasy is living in the word where PC "almost the same" hardware costs the same as the console hardware (as if these retail margins never existed).
And yet another fantasy is that PCs vastly outperform consoles this generation, when in reality you get either "ultra" settings or "4K" or "2x fps" and usually only one of them at a time (sometimes two, if the developers are good, case in point: RE2 Remake).

1) Nobody cares about the same hardware other then console warriors. Nobody is going to sit there and say "let's build a PS4 performing PC in 2020". This is the logic that console people do not seem to get. Nobody on PC cares for consoles, they upgrade when it's needed to hit performance on a PC that they want not because some console gets something.

U can easily see this out of sale data.

That logic makes even less sense as people that are into the market for the console experience and want just that with a budget of 400-500 bucks they should get a console. What's the point in going PC? It's like the dumbest shit i ever read on forums like this.

The only reason people compare is for shit and giggles.

2) Prices drop every day on parts. If sony decides on a ryzen 2600 for example, that would be absolutely fantastic in 2018, at this point? its budget hardware. This is something that counters that retail margins never existing nonsense. While sony is selling a complete box with parts for "cheap" pc parts get cheaper and replaced by faster hardware for the same price. This makes your argument completely useless as PC doesn't sit stuck with fixed hardware.

3) The problem here is that u do not understand much about PC presets. Ultra is there to kill performance on the most high end hardware, its made for future proofing as they tend to say. This is what confuses you.

U see a number and u place that number and state it as a fact on your one conclusion. While in reality that number means different things. 55 fps at 4k means its probably 100+ fps at 1080p. Sounds good to me. But for you its can't even do 2x the performance and not even at ultra omegalul. while that guy sits at 5x the performance in witcher 3 with ultra low ms, no microstutter and a super reactive game in general vs 30ms 20 fps barely cooping by version of consoles.

See how that works.

When u tell that guy PC barely outperforms consoles yet witcher 3 gets played at 140-180 fps beyond console settings where a console has issue's staying in the 30 fps lane and drops below it often. Yea that just sounds like a laughable statement.

And then the circus of stupid continuous with the usual arguments that all make zero sense afterwards to anybody that actually plays on a PC.

 

[psorcerer]

1) Nobody cares about the same hardware other then console warriors. Nobody is going to sit there and say "let's build a PS4 performing PC in 2020". This is the logic that console people do not seem to get. Nobody on PC cares for consoles, they upgrade when it's needed to hit performance on a PC that they want not because some console gets something.

U can easily see this out of sale data.

That logic makes even less sense as people that are into the market for the console experience and want just that with a budget of 400-500 bucks they should get a console. What's the point in going PC? It's like the dumbest shit i ever read on forums like this.

The only reason people compare is for shit and giggles.

2) Prices drop every day on parts. If sony decides on a ryzen 2600 for example, that would be absolutely fantastic in 2018, at this point? its budget hardware. This is something that counters that retail margins never existing nonsense. While sony is selling a complete box with parts for "cheap" pc parts get cheaper and replaced by faster hardware for the same price. This makes your argument completely useless as PC doesn't sit stuck with fixed hardware.

3) The problem here is that u do not understand much about PC presets. Ultra is there to kill performance on the most high end hardware, its made for future proofing as they tend to say. This is what confuses you.

U see a number and u place that number and state it as a fact on your one conclusion. While in reality that number means different things. 55 fps at 4k means its probably 100+ fps at 1080p. Sounds good to me. But for you its can't even do 2x the performance and not even at ultra omegalul. while that guy sits at 5x the performance in witcher 3 with ultra low ms, no microstutter and a super reactive game in general vs 30ms 20 fps barely cooping by version of consoles.

See how that works.

When u tell that guy PC barely outperforms consoles yet witcher 3 gets played at 140-180 fps beyond console settings where a console has issue's staying in the 30 fps lane and drops below it often. Yea that just sounds like a laughable statement.

And then the circus of stupid continuous with the usual arguments that all make zero sense afterwards to anybody that actually plays on a PC.

So actually you do agree with me and make these strange posts about 1) 2) and 3) just for the lulz.
Okay.

 

[diffusionx]

That's exactly my whole point, no matter what and how hard you try PC is never meant to be used in the living room, because it will always need M+K to be fully functional, no matter how hard someone will try to deny it.

Who cares what it is "meant to do", I've had a PC in my living room for almost a decade now (WELL before BPM), played many many games, including many console ports, and it all worked extremely well. Isn't that the point? You do what you want with it and find a way to make it work. The PC isn't meant to have racing cockpits and all that shit but people do it every day.

 

[Helios]

Without reading any of the thread

Save yourself the trouble and don't do that. It's just fanboys

 

[brian0057]

Why are people arguing over this?

> Consoles can only game and do basic entertainment stuff.
> PC's can do everything a console does plus infinitely many more things on top of that... like having a paying job in order to buy shit like consoles or a better PC.

The value proposition a PC offers makes it the better option. Even if the PC is a meager $500 with a Ryzen 3400G (or even less), it's still not a competition.

 

[HaveButOneLife]

It can play every PC game and most console games released in the past 40 years.

Right about the former, the latter mostly but people need to stop boasting about emulation like it's a feature IMO.

Why are people arguing over this?

> Consoles can only game and do basic entertainment stuff.
> PC's can do everything a console does plus infinitely many more things on top of that... like having a paying job in order to buy shit like consoles or a better PC.

The value proposition a PC offers makes it the better option. Even if the PC is a meager $500 with a Ryzen 3400G (or even less), it's still not a competition.

Why bring it up when it's about gaming? This is a rather cop out response, we all know what PC gaming does better than consoles and that's really what's being or should be discussed.

It's pretty easy to talk about the advantages of having a gaming PC over a next gen console, since consoles have exclusives, convenience, and seamlessness while PC improves every other aspect. This isn't a race, nor a general competition. PC elitists (not anyone specific in this thread) remind me of the meme "an atheist, a vegan, a crossfitter, [and a PC elitist] walk into a bar, how do I know? Because they tell everyone in the first two minutes".

 

[brian0057]

Why bring it up when it's about gaming? This is a rather cop out response, we all know what PC gaming does better than consoles and that's really what's being or should be discussed.

It's pretty easy to talk about the advantages of having a gaming PC over a next gen console, since consoles have exclusives, convenience, and seamlessness while PC improves every other aspect. This isn't a race, nor a competition.

Even if you're considering a PC for the sole purpose of gaming and nothing else (I don't know why you would but I digress) it's still the superior option.
Convenience may have been a valid argument during the PS2 era, when consoles where dirt cheap and also doubled as a DVD player.
But with consoles getting more and more PC-like with none of the flexibility of an actual PC, unless you really like any given exclusive (something Nintendo has a leg up over the other two), consoles becomes a harder sale.

 

[Damigos]

BMW M3 has 400 hp
A truck has 600 hp
This thread is stupid

 

[PlayStaytion]

I beat more console games than pc games and many consumers share the same thing , that's just a fact ; pcs specs made for current games and there's many clues to backup this saying, let's say you build a system that rivals specifically cyberpunk 2077 game , by the time CD project tease their next game , automatically , you'll think on upgrading your system, I don't care if it's your personal choice or bragging about your limitless wallet , that's just how it goes with this platform and by mentioning these sidestepping excuses you just make yourself look miserable.

 

[DoctaThompson]

I beat more console games than pc games and many consumers share the same thing , that's just a fact ; pcs specs made for current games and there's many clues to backup this saying, let's say you build a system that rivals specifically cyberpunk 2077 game , by the time CD project tease their next game , automatically , you'll think on upgrading your system, I don't care if it's your personal choice or bragging about your limitless wallet , that's just how it goes with this platform and by mentioning these sidestepping excuses you just make yourself look miserable.

Wouldn't that be the same for consoles, but even worse? Let's say next gen can only run cyberpunk at 30fps... And the sequel can only do 30fps with the mid cycle after 3 years or so. Wouldn't many console owners upgrade?

PC gamers don't have to upgrade. They can keep playing games from generation to generation. At a point fps may drop below 60 fps @4k res for a few games, and people may want to upgrade. But it's not NEEDED. I'll sell my 2080 TI to a buddy, and get a 3080 TI. Not because I need to, but because I'll get a good bit of money back, and can upgrade for cheaper than the price of a console,

I could hold onto my current gpu, and be beat all of next gen, and mid cycle refresh consoles, and be good for the generation after. It's not an excuse, but a fact.

 

[Senua]

I beat more console games than pc games and many consumers share the same thing , that's just a fact ; pcs specs made for current games and there's many clues to backup this saying, let's say you build a system that rivals specifically cyberpunk 2077 game , by the time CD project tease their next game , automatically , you'll think on upgrading your system, I don't care if it's your personal choice or bragging about your limitless wallet , that's just how it goes with this platform and by mentioning these sidestepping excuses you just make yourself look miserable.

Sounds good to me that they get a choice to upgrade when they want, I've always stayed with the same hardware for many years, that's the great thing about PC init, choice.

 

[nkarafo]

That consoles (well, PS5) isnt limited by old computers and piracy that limits the quality and quantity of great games.

Devs can make games for 3000€ computers but 90% of pc gamers still use semi-old stuff that would not run it.

Next gen will give great quality, easy use and great games.

Consoles may be a good target platform for the first couple of years but after that they hold gaming back. This can last anywhere from 3 to 5 years.

Also what do you mean by "old computers"? Never in the history of gaming developers targeted old/weak computers. You always had to have decent hardware to run everything new for as far as i remember. Did DOOM require an "old" PC to run? Or Quake? Or Crysis?

It's consoles holding games back the reason we don't see amazing jumps in games engines like how DOOM was a massive leap over Wolfenstein and then Quake, etc. It's because of consoles being so weak we haven't got another Crysis, which was the last time i saw something big targeting PC hardware. Now engines only get a bit better and more efficient with small steps instead of big leaps. You don't see engines that take advantage of the most powerful hardware around, everything is made with consoles in mind for easier porting.

And btw, i don't mind that. In the end i just play console games at 60fps with my PC, which is fine by me. But reading how PCs are limiting games is funny.

 

[trikster40]

I used to love PC gaming, but I found that when I sat down to play a game, I'd end up surfing the web, watching clips, checking email...2 hours later, I hadn't even started my game.

when I sit at my console, I play with no distractions.

 

[DoctaThompson]

I used to love PC gaming, but I found that when I sat down to play a game, I'd end up surfing the web, watching clips, checking email...2 hours later, I hadn't even started my game.

when I sit at my console, I play with no distractions.

Couldn't that be more productive, than exclusively playing games? I mean yeah, this is a gaming forum. But could you apply for a job, make a resume, or anything else on a console, besides gaming and watching Netflix?

 

[PlayStaytion]

Wouldn't that be the same for consoles, but even worse? Let's say next gen can only run cyberpunk at 30fps... And the sequel can only do 30fps with the mid cycle after 3 years or so. Wouldn't many console owners upgrade?

PC gamers don't have to upgrade. They can keep playing games from generation to generation. At a point fps may drop below 60 fps @4k res for a few games, and people may want to upgrade. But it's not NEEDED. I'll sell my 2080 TI to a buddy, and get a 3080 TI. Not because I need to, but because I'll get a good bit of money back, and can upgrade for cheaper than the price of a console,

I could hold onto my current gpu, and be beat all of next gen, and mid cycle refresh consoles, and be good for the generation after. It's not an excuse, but a fact.

It all comes down to games , games dictates our choices , if it's not cyberpunk then it's gtavi if not then it's the elder scrolls vi , one way or the other , in the end big games changes our minds easily ; the least thing you could do is finding the sweet spot which is a build usually 2 years after consoles launch that could genuinely carry you till the end of the generation , it's definitely not the 2080ti or even the upcoming 3080ti.

 

[Dacon]

Crashes, viruses, hackers, cheaters, malware, just a few things on top of my head that consoles don't have. And the best part - it all comes for free!

Joke post? Consoles have crashes, cheaters and hackers. I've never gotten a virus or malware either, just from being safe on the internet. What do you people do on your computers lol.