LuvOfThaGame
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I dont believe it was the sole reason, but definitely helped alot. Just like PS4. Price and some GFlop advantages helped with launch year considering the game lineup wasn't great, IMO.
What does Microsoft need to do to make Xbox successful again?
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MS's whole gameplan relies on being the console sales leader (or close to it) and then leveraging the advantages of that position. Since there's no chance of that happening for the foreseeable future I'm not sure what they'd do. I doubt they have any interest in being a Nintendo.
Suburban Thug
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I don't think the Japanese games initiative moved the needle at all. Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, The Last Remnant, Infinite Undiscovery, etc all performed rather poorly or fell below expectations if I recall correctly. I agree with the other post that MS probably lost money on these titles but it was great for me as a gamer. Honestly I feel like Xbox 360 was the place to be last gen from 2006-2009 if you wanted to play console JRPGs.
Remind me how they entered the video game market. Or better yet, the consumer market in general.
Johannsson
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Take some chances
MilkyJoe
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I've seem some turd on here, jeepers... It's been 16 years...
Suburban Thug
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Question: Why doesn't MS just moneyhat big third party games or be more aggressive with timed exclusives? I doubt they could ban Call of Duty exclusivity but imagine if they got some mid-tier stuff like Tomb Raider, Bayonetta, Yooka, etc
SpinkyMinky
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Xbox is great now. In terms of games, this is a purple period for the PS4, but the game comparison isn't helpful. Just a few months ago it was Gears of War 4 vs No Man's Sky. I have both and there is very little that the PS4 does better, but Sony definitely market their machine more effectively. I think the Scorpio will just extend the gap in terms of quality of product, but whether this really matters to the wider public is debatable. The PS4 Pro doesn't appear to be a roaring success.
I'd still like them to produce a handheld though. Like most owners, I love my Vita.
I'd still like them to produce a handheld though. Like most owners, I love my Vita.
chronic_archaic
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Aside from a lack of exclusives, they aren't doing anything wrong arguably. Xbox will sell on third party games alone and while it never will beat PS4 sales calling the Xbox One a failure is a bit sad. At least it's not the dumpster fire the Wii U was, despite how neat that console was. If anything questions like this should be directed at Nintendo. You can't sell a console on first party software alone.
Nowhere near good value for money.
That dude is definitely a fanboy to the 14th power.
The Salt Life
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They need to money hat some exclusives I feel like, they took a gamble going after titanfall instead of destiny and losing call of duty.....Well the one who has the marketing rights to COD rules the world basically. Which explains a lot as far as sales on certain exclusive games for Sony.
Suburban Thug
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I'd assume they'd take a short term loss but over the long haul wouldn't exclusives bring more people and money into the MS ecosystem?
Dee Dah Dave
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Step 3: Net loss ~$1.5 billion
Enough to make a notable difference to their current position? I doubt it. That's actually why I don't think they're bothering with AAA exclusives either, the sales difference is just too large a mountain to climb with that strategy.
It depends on what the context of this thread is. If it's 'how do Xbox regain lost sales ground', I think the answer is that short of Sony somehow disappearing in the next 6 months, they can't. If it's how they can make a platform that's great even if it's second place, then sure pouring a lot of money into AAA exclusives that barely break even or lose money for them would do that, but for obvious reasons it seems unlikely.
Caayn
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You, as en enterprise IT pro, should know that MS started in the consumer market.
Xbox isn't the first foray into the video game market by MS. They had MS game studios long before Xbox was a thing.
Charles Brandon
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seems pretty simple to me. Commission some developers to make games for you.
That person likes to talk from their ass.
A massive new IP. A tall task indeed when their best studios are already making Halo, Forza and Gears. They also need to make sure to be the defacto third party console of choice. Hard to do when you are practically non existent in at least half of the market. They just need to ride this gen out and see how they do with a fresh start.
You can't be serious. How can anyone think this today? Given how well Minecraft has done for MS.
That is never going to happen. It is too large a source of revenue to recoup the money simply by selling more consoles. Just look at how much better off Sony is doing financially with PS+ being mandatory for MP.
You can't be serious. How can anyone think this today? Given how well Minecraft has done for MS.
That is never going to happen. It is too large a source of revenue to recoup the money simply by selling more consoles. Just look at how much better off Sony is doing financially with PS+ being mandatory for MP.
I don't know if it can fixes it but I'll try:
1) Don't screw your presentation, the Xbox One had a terrible reveal, an "American product" for Americans, who gives a shit about NFL and stuff like that worldwide ? You need to appeal to everyone, if you really want to talk about shit like this, do it at PAX or during an American event.
2) You need to give a direction to your brand, a plan to follow, what do you want to achieve ? what do you need to do that ? who's your target ? how can we use all the money the brand have efficiently ?
3) You need to stop making your first party studio into single-IP factory lines, that's a terrible idea, you're killing their creativity, their passion to make video games and you're killing the series with your fans, not die hard one but the others.
4) You need to have better representative, people that know what's up in gaming, no offense but Spencer and Greenberg are terrible, they don't know shit and it shows in almost every of their tweets, between one that is saying what people wants without doing anything and the other that don't even know how resolution works, please, reconsider their position.
5) You need new IPs, Halo/Gears are dying and Forza will never sell huge, it's not even exclusive so you really need to rethink about the DNA of your console.
6) EXCLUSIVES, you need to have real exclusives, it's not about selling millions of them but about identity, if I can play all the third parties and have good exclusives, why would I go elsewhere ? what is the Xbox One atm ? it's just a powerless PS4 with a smaller library and that's why people aren't buying the Xbox One... "Yeah looks the Xbox One is at X$, looks pretty good" "You know the PS4 has the same games the Xbox One have and they have even more good games like Bloodborne, Uncharted, Horizon, Nier, Nioh, Yakuza, the Kingdom Hearts series etc... and you can even get a VR headset and play even more games, no brainer."
the looks of the console and it's identity ( exclusives ) is really important, one without the other is like a good looking girl/man with terrible personality or the opposite.
7) Make online free again, I know you're the shitty one that come up with it but it could be a huge blow for Sony and Nintendo, think about it, do something premium, online multiplayer for free and all cloud saves etc... behind paywall.
1) Don't screw your presentation, the Xbox One had a terrible reveal, an "American product" for Americans, who gives a shit about NFL and stuff like that worldwide ? You need to appeal to everyone, if you really want to talk about shit like this, do it at PAX or during an American event.
2) You need to give a direction to your brand, a plan to follow, what do you want to achieve ? what do you need to do that ? who's your target ? how can we use all the money the brand have efficiently ?
3) You need to stop making your first party studio into single-IP factory lines, that's a terrible idea, you're killing their creativity, their passion to make video games and you're killing the series with your fans, not die hard one but the others.
4) You need to have better representative, people that know what's up in gaming, no offense but Spencer and Greenberg are terrible, they don't know shit and it shows in almost every of their tweets, between one that is saying what people wants without doing anything and the other that don't even know how resolution works, please, reconsider their position.
5) You need new IPs, Halo/Gears are dying and Forza will never sell huge, it's not even exclusive so you really need to rethink about the DNA of your console.
6) EXCLUSIVES, you need to have real exclusives, it's not about selling millions of them but about identity, if I can play all the third parties and have good exclusives, why would I go elsewhere ? what is the Xbox One atm ? it's just a powerless PS4 with a smaller library and that's why people aren't buying the Xbox One... "Yeah looks the Xbox One is at X$, looks pretty good" "You know the PS4 has the same games the Xbox One have and they have even more good games like Bloodborne, Uncharted, Horizon, Nier, Nioh, Yakuza, the Kingdom Hearts series etc... and you can even get a VR headset and play even more games, no brainer."
the looks of the console and it's identity ( exclusives ) is really important, one without the other is like a good looking girl/man with terrible personality or the opposite.
7) Make online free again, I know you're the shitty one that come up with it but it could be a huge blow for Sony and Nintendo, think about it, do something premium, online multiplayer for free and all cloud saves etc... behind paywall.
Desperate times call for desperate measures I guess
You're asking some devs to knee cap their franchises if they money hat it all away to MS. Classic case in point is RoTR
Hard to completely ignore 50+ million users out there. Sure get money up front now but what could that mean for future sequels to the publisher?
Like another poster said, the value for money won't be high for such deals, it makes sense to create their own studios/do ground up partnerships to build up a wider stable of games.
Yep that's it. Sony just markets better lmao
So how do you know that their "exclusives" are good ? honestly they're mediocre besides FH3.
Honestly, I have the PS4 Pro and its shit, the advantage over the PS4 isn't enough.
Charles Brandon
Member
It needs to do a lot better because it is losing market share and that has habit of spiralling on you.
Polygonal_Sprite
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Concentrate on bringing Xbox to PC gamers by creating a dedicated Xbox app and putting ALL of their games on their own Windows 10 store aswell as Steam. Go for as many software sales as possible.
NO ONE can compete with Sony when it comes to dedicated home consoles. They have the brand, the franchises, the developers, the marketing and the Worldwide appeal.
Nintendo can carve out their own market because they're so different and have franchises that work so well on handheld and mobile, MS not so much.
NO ONE can compete with Sony when it comes to dedicated home consoles. They have the brand, the franchises, the developers, the marketing and the Worldwide appeal.
Nintendo can carve out their own market because they're so different and have franchises that work so well on handheld and mobile, MS not so much.
El-Pistolero
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Not happening this generation...at all...
Charles Brandon
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This reads like they should just give up on console. So Xbox becomes a steam alternative?
Final Verdict
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I've enjoyed the console itself despite having to go through all the growing pains of an early adopter.
I would say though that they need to get back to the point where their 1st party game releases are a huge deal.
Let some of their bigger studios create a new IP with proper time and resources.
I mean I think they have the proper amount of exclusives...they just haven't had a single release that pushed the needle this Generation...even Halo 5 was weak.
And they missed out on marketing for the "it" game of this generation (Destiny) so that sucks, but they need to go out and find the next one.
I would say though that they need to get back to the point where their 1st party game releases are a huge deal.
Let some of their bigger studios create a new IP with proper time and resources.
I mean I think they have the proper amount of exclusives...they just haven't had a single release that pushed the needle this Generation...even Halo 5 was weak.
And they missed out on marketing for the "it" game of this generation (Destiny) so that sucks, but they need to go out and find the next one.
Charles Brandon
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Why can't they just do whatever they did that lead to Halo in the first place?
mejin
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I don't have the numbers but I think XBO sold 7..7.5M last year. Really low number if its true. We don't even have to mention PS4 to see they are doing bad and worse, if Slim didn't have the momentum in US they would sell even less.
You mean purchase a game studio developing a promising title for a competitor? I'd imagine that's out of their price range at this point and they seem to have no interest whatsoever in expanding their first party studios.
Hard to find a studio of Bungie's pedigree out there looking for work and bringing in as promising a product as Halo or Epic with Gears. Most of the studios in the West are set. They can and should look in Japan but as Rex said, they are not looking to buy.
Buy another company and turn it from an apple product to a microsoft product?
I've played Alan Wake, Forza, Halo and Sunset at my best mate.I genuinely liked them. Besides, that's the general consensus among critics and players.
JimmyRustler
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For me personally? Propper 1st party IPs aside from Halo/Gears/Forca that I can get excited over.
Just look at what Sony and Nintendo are doing. It's not that hard.
Just look at what Sony and Nintendo are doing. It's not that hard.
wapplew
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CD project red fit the bill.
Cyberpunk 2077 suppose to have multiplayer online feature, MS need RPG studio, cd project red is top of the genre, MS have a lot oversea money to spend.
This would be one purchase make the biggest headline, restore confidence to first party, it make most sense.
What's CD project red market value currently?
chronic_archaic
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Let's assume MS shifts 7 million Xbox One's every year. They'd already have beaten Nintendo's last console sales by 2015...
I mean, I just don't get the Nintendo circlejerk. Their last console was a disaster yet everyone assumes the Switch is going to be different despite repeating the same mistakes.
Hit me. Would love to hear them.
Taliban Stan
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They need to cover more genres with first/second party and do more to encourage Japanese developers to include the system in any multiplatform release.
I think they did a good job in getting some more PC-centric stuff to come to their system but while they did that they kinda loss grip on all but the hugest one or two games a year from Japan.
I thought they were pretty much perfect last gen. A massive variety of games from everywhere in every genre. It felt like there was an attitude that games had to come out on 360 and everyone outside of 1st party pretty much bowed in line with releases.
I think they did a good job in getting some more PC-centric stuff to come to their system but while they did that they kinda loss grip on all but the hugest one or two games a year from Japan.
I thought they were pretty much perfect last gen. A massive variety of games from everywhere in every genre. It felt like there was an attitude that games had to come out on 360 and everyone outside of 1st party pretty much bowed in line with releases.
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travisbickle
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I know you're very emotional about the Xbox brand so you really shouldn't set yourself up for this kind of disappointment.
They could do that because they were tied with or ahead of Sony in install base for the entire generation.