Also this one time when I played Super Secret Spy Pyro (To get the Fireball achievement) I snuck in behind enemy lines and killed a Heavy busy shooting at my team when they were arriving with the cart, it was probably the best moment of my gaming life.Evlar said:I support this nomination. Tricking AI is one thing, tricking human opponents is something else entirely.
EDIT: This lends support to Chaos Theory as well, though the mechanics are obviously very different. God I loved that mall level.
And yet the Thief games did it a lot better years before. Sad.Yoshichan said:No game can ever surpass Snakes' part in MGS2. Ever.
Corky said:Riddick, too amazing to quantify.
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glad i wasnt the only one to think this. escape from butcher bay is an awesome game that gets left out of a lot of the conversations i feel like it should be a part of. great gameplay, really good story, genuinely makes you feel like an action star in parts.
I agree for Batman, but Deus is not bad at all.zoner said:Batman and Deus Ex are cool and all, but it's about as baby mode stealth as you get.
Really? My brother could get through Deus Ex, and he's awful at stealth games. The enemies all have incredibly obvious patterns, and they're very easy to hide.Dyni Crippler said:I agree for Batman, but Deus is not bad at all.
You didn't miss much with Double Agent and Conviction ditched stealth almost altogether.jsnepo said:I don't remember Chaos Theory to being that good. I can't even remember how it's stealth is any different from the original game and Pandora Tomorrow. I played and finished all three on the PC and all I can remember is that I did a lot of trial and errors which isn't really fun for me hence I didn't play Double Agent nor Conviction. Can anyone remind me or even link me to a great part of Chaos Theory?
The best stealth mechanic for me is still from MGO's Team Sneak and Snake vs. Merc. Too bad MGS4 sucked!
I've been playing Blood Stone as a pseudo-stealth game. Sometimes it allows you to do it very well, other times playing stealth is requires some messing around with the system. It's corny fun, as long as you skip the cutscenes.Vulcano's assistant said:I play stealth in almost every game, and particularly enjoy it the most in games that do not make it easy or have poor stealth mechanics.
S.T.A.L.K.E.R, Metro 2033, Red Dead Redemption, Oblivion, Fallout 3, were all great fun.
Huh!? What was that noise!?daviyoung said:Huh? What's that? Thought I heard something.
FROM WINCH CAME THOU VILLAINzkylon said:Huh!? What was that noise!?
I have heard good things about them but never played them. I'm not convinced they will have aged well.Zeliard said:Thief 1 & 2
Can't beat them. Large and beautifully designed levels, very little player direction, strong mechanics.
I would only call Batman and HR baby-mode stealth because of the detective vision/map that shows all targets locations and directions. Hitman can fall into that category as well on the lower difficulties.zoner said:Really? My brother could get through Deus Ex, and he's awful at stealth games. The enemies all have incredibly obvious patterns, and they're very easy to hide.
Easy =/= bad.zoner said:Really? My brother could get through Deus Ex, and he's awful at stealth games. The enemies all have incredibly obvious patterns, and they're very easy to hide.
Well, Batman is pretty simplistic. Go on the Gargoyle, wait for the enemy, BATMAN HAPPENS and start again until everyone is KO.krameriffic said:I would only call Batman and HR baby-mode stealth because of the detective vision/map that shows all targets locations and directions. Hitman can fall into that category as well on the lower difficulties.
I'm pretty sure that's in Human Revolution actually... Isn't even one of the radar upgrades (that I didn't get) to show you the time left until they go back to normal? And with all the vents and other shit the AI can't follow through and you can take cheap shots at from it doesn't really matter anyway... I'm not really seeing why people think HR has anything more advanced than Batman, it felt as basic and easy to me. Fun, sure (less than Batman, imo), but still basic... And I personally didn't like the melee takedowns... Literally pressing a single button to watch cool shit happen... That worked, once... They're too disconnected from gameplay, unlike grabbing enemies in Hitman or MGS. I guess it also feels worse than usual because from first person gameplay you suddenly go to a third person view, essentially a full on short cut scene...Dyni Crippler said:(no more "GUESS IT WAS NOTHING")
Yes, of course, but that happens after a while. If you remember, in the first Deus Ex you simply had to hide for a second and that's it. In HR enemies come to look after you if they see you even for a second.Alextended said:I'm pretty sure that's in Human Revolution actually... Isn't even one of the radar upgrades (that I didn't get) to show you the time left until they go back to normal? And with all the vents and other shit the AI can't follow through and you can take cheap shots at it doesn't matter anyway...
They have. They may be graphically simplistic, but the level design still holds up fantastically.krameriffic said:I have heard good things about them but never played them. I'm not convinced they will have aged well.
Life of the Party. Mmm.The_Technomancer said:They have. They may be graphically simplistic, but the level design still holds up fantastically.
Elements of stealth have slowly encroached upon numerous genres since Metal Gear introduced the concept to the gaming world
To be fair the very first Metal Gear came out over 10 years before Thief.Pakkidis said:Um...no. Thief was one of the first games and I'm pretty sure their were a few before that as well.
Thief still holds supreme for me.
I was talking about Metal Gear, not Metal Gear Solid.Pakkidis said:Um...no. Thief was one of the first games and I'm pretty sure their were a few before that as well.
Thief still holds supreme for me.
Thief 2 has a good texture pack out there.Blizniak said:And you can play them in widescreen. There's also a texture mod for the first one, not sure about 2.
Speaking of Thief, has anyone played The Dark Mod? The Doom3 mod that imitates Thief.
Itchy//Tasty said:what's this? Another chance for me to post about one of the most underrated gems of all time?
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Blizniak said:To be fair the very first Metal Gear came out over 10 years before Thief.
Metal Gear (MSX) and Wolfenstein indeed are the early ones, but Thief was the first to introduce fantastic elements like darkness (and possibly sound - not sure if Thief or Tenchu came first, but they were very close together) Metal Gear was line-of-sight only, wasn't it?Calavera520 said:and there was the original castle wolfenstein before that, (1981).