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[lowhighkang_LHK]

Witcher 3 is excellent. Runs very well. Metal Gear Solid even better. Just Cause 3 is just fine. I can name a lot more but, for me, PC games have been getting better and better in terms of optimization. I can't wait for 1440p @144 or 4k @60 for Dragon's Dogma.


I wouldn't say a stretch. I'd say it's more common even.

I don't think Its the number of games, just that it's happened to marquee games and people talk a lot about it, giving the impression that it happens more often than it does. As a ps4 owner, the only games that come to mind are Just Cause 3, Fallout 4 prepatch, AssCreed Unity, and the Witcher 3 prepatch. If there are anymore games I have a feeling it's from the Ubisoft camp.

Assasin Creed games struggle in more ways than one to put it lightly, so I don't know why people give a shit anyway, and Just Cause 3, and the devs are working on a patch. But like I said, I don't disagree that there are some games that aren't optimized, but It's not as rampant as your making it out to be. And I would like to see games come out without needing patches to get their shit together, I.e fallout 4 and the witcher 3.

Also 4k 60 fps....that's gonna be tough. What kind of rig are you rocking? Not only does that require cutting edge hardware to pull off consistently, but Also heavily depends on the games customization options and optimization. Just because DD is a last generation game doesn't automatically mean its optimized well.

 

[johnnydrama]

That really happens rarely though.



"plenty" Thats a bit of a stretch, but yes "some" have frame rate issues, but at least they run.

This year alone I've played The Witcher 3, Dark Souls 2 SOTFS, Just Cause 3, MGS V, Battlefront, CoD BO3, Assassin's Creed Syndicate, Life is Strange, Fallout 4 at 1080p 60FPS on a PC I built in 2012. Only broken port was Arkham Knight. I honestly don't know what you're on about or where you get your information from. Games run just fine on PC.

 

[thekiddfran]

Sony exclusives baby. Simple as that.

Ain't no other publisher making games like Uncharted, The Last Guardian, the last of us and Detroit.

It is amazing how people can't understand the appeal of a certain console

For me it is all about the games and I can get the best of PC on the PS4 with the added benefit of the amazing Sony exclusives

 

[Skelter]

Real AAA games, yeah yeah yeah PC has 20x more exclusives because of course you want to play hatoful boyfriend instead of Uncharted 4
Being able to play in a big ass TV in your living room instead of a small monitor in your mom's basement
Comfy couch
No driver updates everytime your turn on your console
No crashes
No settings to tweak
No piracy
No hackers online
Physical media that you can resell
Optimized games
Ease of use
No pay2win bullshit with better mouse or keyboards
Same graphical settings for everyone playing online
Superior online features (after all, you're paying for it)
Environment friendly (no 1000W boxes)
You don't have to buy a new one every year to be able to play the lastest games

I may have forgotten one thing or two

No operating system
Turns on and off faster
Being able to play with a controller

No console is faster than my computer which has an OS installed on a SSD.

I don't think Its the number of games, just that it's happened to marquee games and people talk a lot about it, giving the impression that it happens more often than it does. As a ps4 owner, the only games that come to mind are Just Cause 3, Fallout 4 prepatch, AssCreed Unity, and the Witcher 3 prepatch.

Assasin Creed games suck, so I don't know why people give a shit anyway, and Just Cause 3. But like I said, I don't disagree that there are some games that aren't optimized, but It's not as rampant as your making it out to be. And I would like to see games come out without needing patches to get their shit together, I.e fallout 4 and the witcher 3.

Of course but that's also what shapes some opinion's here like the person I quoted above you which is alot of bullshit.


Nintendo is the only one seems to release game that don't need constant patches unfortunately.

Also 4k 60 fps....that's gonna be tough. What kind of rig are you rocking? Not only does that require cutting edge hardware to pull off consistently, but Also heavily depends on the games customization options and optimization. Just because DD is a last generation game doesn't automatically mean it optimized well.

Well I have a XB270HU monitor and a Vizio M60-C3. My monitor does 1440p, has Gsync, and 144hz. My is a 4K tv. I have a 5280K@4.4ghz right now and Titan X SLI.

Also I asked the Capcom rep in the DD thread actually!

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

Real AAA games, yeah yeah yeah PC has 20x more exclusives because of course you want to play hatoful boyfriend instead of Uncharted 4
Being able to play in a big ass TV in your living room instead of a small monitor in your mom's basement
Comfy couch
No driver updates everytime your turn on your console
No crashes
No settings to tweak
No piracy
No hackers online
Physical media that you can resell
Optimized games
No pay2win bullshit with better mouse or keyboards
Same graphical settings for everyone playing online
Superior online features (after all, you're paying for it)
Environment friendly (no 1000W boxes)
You don't have to buy a new one every year to be able to play the lastest games

I may have forgotten one thing or two

No operating system
Turns on and off faster
Being able to play with a controller
no angular graphics (can't believe almost forgot this one)

but I think those are pretty much it

 

[Head.spawn]

Real AAA games, yeah yeah yeah PC has 20x more exclusives because of course you want to play hatoful boyfriend instead of Uncharted 4
Being able to play in a big ass TV in your living room instead of a small monitor in your mom's basement
Comfy couch
No driver updates everytime your turn on your console
No crashes
No settings to tweak
No piracy
No hackers online
Physical media that you can resell
Optimized games
Ease of use
No pay2win bullshit with better mouse or keyboards
Same graphical settings for everyone playing online
Superior online features (after all, you're paying for it)
Environment friendly (no 1000W boxes)
You don't have to buy a new one every year to be able to play the lastest games

I may have forgotten one thing or two

Is this a joke list?

 

[johnnydrama]

PC will always lose out because PC has no comfy couch.

 

[yaffi]

The time from system start up to actually playing the game is much quicker on consoles than PC.

This isn't true at all.

 

[Breakfast at Noon]

Real AAA games, yeah yeah yeah PC has 20x more exclusives because of course you want to play hatoful boyfriend instead of Uncharted 4 (blizzard.)
Being able to play in a big ass TV in your living room instead of a small monitor in your mom's basement (lmfao)
Comfy couch (uhuh)
No driver updates everytime your turn on your console (uhuh)
No crashes (lol)
No settings to tweak
No piracy (uhuh)
No hackers online (lol)
Physical media that you can resell (lol)
Optimized games (unity?)
Ease of use
No pay2win bullshit with better mouse or keyboards (....)
Same graphical settings for everyone playing online
Superior online features (after all, you're paying for it) (i...words..find none)
Environment friendly (no 1000W boxes) (Only nintendo can stand tall here)
You don't have to buy a new one every year to be able to play the lastest games (last time i was playing pc, it lasted me about 5 years before i needed to upgrade)

I may have forgotten one thing or two

Since i was a little kid i have shuffled in between consoles and pcs constantly dependent on how i feel and what games are offered.
As someone who is heavily invested in consoles at the moment, this list is absolute bollox.

 

[Yudoken]

About 400 bucks can get you an amazing pc!
The nice thing about pc's is that you can get parts 2nd hand and extremely cheap.
People buy cars 2nd hand, why shouldn't you do the same thing?
Price argument of first investment is ridiculous, you could invest 300 bucks on a pc but most people do the smart thing and rather spend 400 or more and get something way better.
People who wants pc only for gaming theoretically only have to use big picture mode, it's as easy as that.
But as you might know you can do much more than just game on pc and also can be productive with them, that's why I recommend using a tv for gaming and video and a monitor for work and specific games which just are better playable on it.
Also you can upgrade most htpcs with just an gpu for under 50 and you can play really we'll with it, often even similar or better than PS4 (e. g. Rocket League runs smoother on a 20€ AMD 7770 with a core2duo than on PS4).

Do the following things if you look for a good pc 2nd hand:
A pc with an i5 cpu from Intel (2500k or better)
Google the gpu and find out what it can do
If there is not an ssd included get at least a 64gb for os.

 

[wazoo]

So you've never upgraded your hardware in the past 30 years? People upgrade their hardware on pc's much in line with the coming and going of new consoles.

Yes, of course we do, but the software is still running thanks to BC and community support, that's the point of an active platform.

 

[thekiddfran]

Since i was a little kid i have shuffled in between consoles and pcs constantly dependent on how i feel and what games are offered.
As someone who is heavily invested in consoles at the moment, this list is absolute bollox.

Yeah I am a console gamer and always will be due to preferences but post like this are the reason I am out of this thread.

As an engineer in a semiconductor company building the next gen CPU's I will still pick consoles over PC but I see the appeal of PCs

 

[Bananajama]

Game rentals!

Plus having had a nightmare getting Witcher 3 to run all nice and stable on my PC - ease of use is a big win.

*turned out I had to disable game overlay from GoG Galaxy!

 

[Skii]

I can plug my PC into my TV and play too.

After you've assembled it...

If you just buy a PC from the store for gaming, you'll still need to do far more research to get a good deal than you would for a console.

It really is annoying that people can't accept PC gaming is a lot more hassle initially than console gaming. But that's fine. If you can put up with the extra hassle, the benefit is great.

 

[Head.spawn]

This year alone I've played The Witcher 3, Dark Souls 2 SOTFS, Just Cause 3, MGS V, Battlefront, CoD BO3, Assassin's Creed Syndicate, Life is Strange, Fallout 4 at 1080p 60FPS on a PC I built in 2012. Only broken port was Arkham Knight. I honestly don't know what you're on about or where you get your information from. Games run just fine on PC.

The funny thing about Arkam Knight, and maybe the people that bring it up as a complete sour spot are unaware, is that it is still plenty capable of running waaaay better than it does on console. It's not optimized for 60fps for sure, but resolution can still go up plenty fine, maxed out settings aren't punishing, increased image quality is still there.

 

[StardustPain]

Except that's not exactly true anymore. Just Cause taking 15 minutes to load, Fallout 4 running like shit, and huge size patches day one. Plug and play only exists for Wii U.

Then again I say PC + Wii U is the way to go.

It's still plug and play, you can play most of those games without the patchs anyway.
Most of the updates download itself and you don't have to do anything else, also there where games with huge loading times or crappy framerate in all previous generation.

 

[Enter the Dragon Punch]

Those things are not exclusive to consoles.

I am a PC gamer first and foremost. I do not own any consoles except for my PlayStation Vita.

I will still say that the first one is easier on consoles and the fact that if you're buying a console, there's a chance your friends have the same platform as well.

 

[Baron Doggystyle von Woof]

I feel you OP. For me consoles worked because I could play them directly when I wanted. Now first I have to install the game and install a big update most of the time.

Aside from exclusives consoles don't have any advantages anymore. You could say they are cheaper, but games on of cost less at launch as well.

Therefor I'm going the wii U + PC gaming route.

 

[Breakfast at Noon]

After you've assembled it...

If you just buy a PC from the store for gaming, you'll still need to do far more research to get a good deal than you would for a console.

It really is annoying that people can't accept PC gaming is a lot more hassle initially than console gaming. But that's fine. If you can put up with the extra hassle, the benefit is great.

HDMI out.. exactly the same as a console.

 

[TheSpoiler]

About 400 bucks can get you an amazing pc!
The nice thing about pc's is that you can get parts 2nd hand and extremely cheap.
People buy cars 2nd hand, why shouldn't you do the same thing?
Price argument of first investment is ridiculous, you could invest 300 bucks on a pc but most people do the smart thing and rather spend 400 or more and get something way better.
People who wants pc only for gaming theoretically only have to use big picture mode, it's as easy as that.
But as you might know you can do much more than just game on pc and also can be productive with them, that's why I recommend using a tv for gaming and video and a monitor for work and specific games which just are better playable on it.

Because you don't assemble a car.

And the price argument is still a factor. Every time I see one of those "you can make a good PC for 300", I feel like it has some true, but still a little blind to how consumers are. Most people don't want to spend time scouring for deals. You aren't going to find a 300 dollar good PC unless you put in a lot of effort and time. Consoles bypass that.

 

[Skelter]

It's still plug and play, you can play most of those games without the patchs anyway.
Most of the updates download itself and you don't have to do anything else, also there where games with huge loading times or crappy framerate in all previous generation.

Except wait for hours because Sony has bullshit download speeds and if you want fast downloads on Xbox you must be wired which I'm not. It's why downloading updates when your console is off/standy an important feature now.

And a crappy load time is 1 minute but in Just Cause 3? That is horrible.

 

[petran79]

The irony is that during the 16-bit era most console players had no idea what a Motorola 68000 was

 

[JordanKZ]

Some of the replies in this thread are bananas. People are OFTEN complaining about giant day one patches on consoles. Being able to buy a game and play it immediately are a thing of the past.

If you only play third party games, the biggest draw to PC is one thing: Loading times. Holy shit, I have literally stopped playing some games on my PS4/Wii U due to loading times. Once you have a PC with an SSD capable of something like 400-500MB/s read speeds and thus meaning very fast loading times, going back is difficult.

 

[Mohasus]

Is this a joke list?

It is a compilation. Things I've read here on GAF throughout the years.

 

[Head.spawn]

It is a compilation. Things I've read here on GAF throughout the years.

You scared me for a second.

/phew

 

[Breakfast at Noon]

It is a compilation. Things I've read here on GAF throughout the years.

ahh, sorry

 

[Skelter]

ahh, sorry

I so called it!

Sadly, some people actually said that in this very thread.

 

[Yudoken]

Because you don't assemble a car.

And the price argument is still a factor. Every time I see one of those "you can make a good PC for 300", I feel like it has some true, but still a little blind to how consumers are. Most people don't want to spend time scouring for deals. You aren't going to find a 300 dollar good PC unless you put in a lot of effort and time. Consoles bypass that.

We'll duh, that's what I'm saying.
You don't need to get pc parts, just look for a complete pc like I described.
Did that just recently, picked up for 380€ a glorious pc with a nice case, i5 3570k, 8gb ram, GTX 680, 1tb hdd and a 64gb ssd.
Building a pc from parts is even more inexpensive but you have to do more research.
Just a few days ago we looked up for 15 minutes for a Notebook with gaming capabilities with good gaming hardware and got something really decent for 470€.
If you have a low budget don't go for new hardware!

 

[Nocturno999]

A lot of people are not tech-savvy, or find the platform unappealing or intimidating for many reasons. So consoles will be around for awhile.

There is a lot of misinformation also.

 

[Chû Totoro]

It is a compilation. Things I've read here on GAF throughout the years.

Even as a console only owner I was making a reply lol
This list was too crazy for my head.

You bastard !

Spoiler

you see guys that's how you become after playing on PC,don't play on PC !!!

 

[wazoo]

The funny thing about Arkam Knight, and maybe the people that bring it up as a complete sour spot are unaware, is that it is still plenty capable of running waaaay better than it does on console. It's not optimized for 60fps for sure, but resolution can still go up plenty fine, maxed out settings aren't punishing, increased image quality is still there.

Of course.

Console optimization : constant 30fps with low/mid/high settings.

PC unoptimization : fluctuating framerate between 40 and 80fps with ultra settings.

 

[Asmodai48]

Not sure if the "comfy couch" people are being sarcastic rofl.

 

[OmegaTreeFish]

There is one huge hurdle the PC market won't be able to get over. Standardised hardware for a set period of time. Steam machines have already shown how they don't do this either.

You buy a console. It runs all the games till the new model comes out.

You just can't do that with PC. People have to understand that this machine they buy won't always be able to play every game that comes out on it. It's a step a lot of people don't want to deal with.

As someone who has been into PC gaming (and console gaming) for most my life I find the whole PC thing pretty easy to understand. But that's because I have an interest in it. Like anything, its easy if you know how. Most people don't know how and don't even want to know how. They want a machine that plays games till they are told to buy the next machine.

If consoles do change into something different next gen I will be really interested to see how they do it. I can't imagine them getting rid of standardised hardware but if they do it will be a really fascinating thing to watch and see if it works.

 

[crinale]

Japanese third party games with Japanese text, not half-assed google translation.

 

[Skelter]

Japanese third party games with Japanese text, not half-assed google translation.

I'm glad Japanese devs are taking PC seriously now.

 

[Brazil]

Trophies.

 

[KZXcellent]

I love Japanese games, especially JRPGs which isn't that great on PC. They are getting better, but many are so far behind on ports and just not bringing stuff to the platform at all.

 

[Yudoken]

Trophies.

Steam achievements are better, also steam cards are actually worth something.

 

[bman94]

This isn't true at all.

Yeah it is. I turn on my gamepad and hit an icon on the quick start menu and the game starts loading. I'm playing Splatoon/Smash/whatever in less than a minute.
Xbox One I can literally start right where I left off of Forza Horizon 2 after the I hit Xbox button and press A.
It's a considerable amount of time to have the PC boot up, put in a password, give the computer a minute to load, wait another minute or so for Steam to load up after clicking it and wait for the updates. Then after finding the game I'm looking for on a long list then I gotta wait for that individual game to load up. That's like a 10 minute process compared to a 2 minute process.

 

[TheSpoiler]

We'll duh, that's what I'm saying.
You don't need to get pc parts, just look for a complete pc like I described.
Did that just recently, picked up for 380€ a glorious pc with a nice case, i5 3570k, 8gb ram, GTX 680, 1tb hdd and a 64gb ssd.
Building a pc from parts is even more inexpensive but you have to do more research.
Just a few days ago we looked up for 15 minutes for a Notebook with gaming capabilities with good gaming hardware and got something really decent for 470€.
If you have a low budget don't go for new hardware!

Out of curiosity, where do you typically shop? That i5 seems like Black Friday level pricing.

 

[WanderingWind]

- Ease of use. Yes, I know plugging in a console and plugging in a computer requires the same amount of cords, but consoles are just easier, okay?

- Playing with my friends. Sure, PC Master Race types, there are one or two people using Steam and Origin, but it's hardly ubiquitous. Few people own computers.

- Comfy couch. Look, if you want to crunch up in front of a small ass monitor, then by all means, do so. Meanwhile, I'll be sitting here chilling on a couch, playing with a controller; an experience that simply isn't possible with a computer.

- I want to play games, not tweak settings. Console games just work. You pop in the disc and bam, you're playing right away. On the PC, you have to download the game, (probably after sitting through software updates), install the game and then and only then can you play it.

- Upgrades. The Xbox 360 lasted a long, long time. And when it came time for a new one, I just went to the store and bought a new one. When the One came out, I just went to the store and bought it. I'm glad PC fans like searching for and assembling parts before playing games, but I'd rather just jump into the action. And don't even get me started on having to replace the graphic card every time some awesome new game comes out. I didn't have to upgrade my One to play Witcher 3.

- Computers are for work, not play. When it's time to play games, I just want to sit at something and get going. I don't want to have to wade through a mess load of screens and popups just to get started. If I have to see the Steam advertisement window pop up one more time when I'm just trying to play, I'm going to lose it! Consoles don't have to deal with any of that mess.

- Exclusives. Call me when the PC gets high profile exclusives like Mario and Halo. Nuff said.

- Controller. This sort of goes back to the "PCs are for work" but games don't feel right when you have to use the same input device as when you're putting together a work schedule. Controllers just feel better for playing games.

 

[Ethelwulf]

I can plug my PC into my TV and play too.

Maybe but you can't witout bothering with Windows.

 

[crinale]

I'm glad Japanese devs are taking PC seriously now.

I don't see them putting original text so never works for me.

 

[Skelter]

- Ease of use. Yes, I know plugging in a console and plugging in a computer requires the same amount of cords, but consoles are just easier, okay?

- Playing with my friends. Sure, PC Master Race types, there are one or two people using Steam and Origin, but it's hardly ubiquitous. Few people own computers.

- Comfy couch. Look, if you want to crunch up in front of a small ass monitor, then by all means, do so. Meanwhile, I'll be sitting here chilling on a couch, playing with a controller; an experience that simply isn't possible with a computer.

- I want to play games, not tweak settings. Console games just work. You pop in the disc and bam, you're playing right away. On the PC, you have to download the game, (probably after sitting through software updates), install the game and then and only then can you play it.

- Upgrades. The Xbox 360 lasted a long, long time. And when it came time for a new one, I just went to the store and bought a new one. When the One came out, I just went to the store and bought it. I'm glad PC fans like searching for and assembling parts before playing games, but I'd rather just jump into the action. And don't even get me started on having to replace the graphic card every time some awesome new game comes out. I didn't have to upgrade my One to play Witcher 3.

- Computers are for work, not play. When it's time to play games, I just want to sit at something and get going. I don't want to have to wade through a mess load of screens and popups just to get started. If I have to see the Steam advertisement window pop up one more time when I'm just trying to play, I'm going to lose it! Consoles don't have to deal with any of that mess.

- Exclusives. Call me when the PC gets high profile exclusives like Mario and Halo. Nuff said.

- Controller. This sort of goes back to the "PCs are for work" but games don't feel right when you have to use the same input device as when you're putting together a work schedule. Controllers just feel better for playing games.

Did someone say Mario?


Also, your list is mostly bullshit other then exclusives and upgrades. The latter not even being a fact. There's this very thread about people with old hardware still playing games today. Someone even has a picture of their old PC playing Witcher 3 at 1920x1080 and high/ultra with hbao+ and hairworks on at a locked 30FPS. Do you seriously believe the stuff you say?

 

[Linkstrikesback]

Ease of use, mostly.
Recently I wanted to play sonic generations, but it took me more than an hour of trying to just get the damn thing to boot before just giving up on it with no luck. I know the PC is perfectly capable of playing it, but the game just wouldn't start.
Vs just putting a disc in my console which is standardised hardware and worked right away.

 

[crinale]

BTW mouse aiming alone justifies PC gaming, so as for fps I play them on PCs.
Other games I choose consoles over PC.

 

[cleansock]

Console only gamers like the ease of pressing start and playing a game right away. That way they let the developers choose what resolution and framerate their games have to run at. It's a lot easier than loading Windows, opening steam, clicking play, then choosing between low, medium, high, very high,ultra,or in some cases "extreme". Those settings alone get me dizzy.

 

[Skii]

HDMI out.. exactly the same as a console.

this literally has nothing to do with what I just posted...

 

[Yudoken]

Out of curiosity, where do you typically shop? That i5 seems like Black Friday level pricing.

The magic of bargaining on eBay Kleinanzeigen (aka Craigslist).
Basic bargaining can save you a lot of money.

 

[lukeskymac]

Exclusives are the one and only reason. (And maybe cost)

Plug and play? Bollocks.

Ease of use? Bollocks.

Those two reasons only apply to PC gaming in the 1990s.

Your username seems fitting right now. Because you need a reality check if you think that's true.