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What Sci-Fi phenomena is the most likely to be possible in the future?

What of the following Sci-Fi phenomena is the most likely to be possible?


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borborygmus

Member
It's not a leap of faith, it's been proven. You don't even have to assume anything about quantum mechanics to prove it, you can show that any theory which is locally real (this basically means that it is in principle possible to predict the outcomes of measurements) has to satisfy certain measurable constraints. Specifically, there are bounds on the strength of correlations between different measurements. This is known as Bell's Theorem, which was first shown in the 60s and has been tested experimentally over and over again. It is a very powerful test; when we do these experiments we don't have to know anything about quantum mechanics, the results by themselves tell you that nature cannot be locally real, independently of what the correct description of nature is. Conveniently though, QM perfectly describes the outcome of these experiments.

Bell's Theorem only disproves hidden local variables, but does not prove superposition (and more relevantly to my earlier comment, "true" randomness). It may still be that the particles already existed in the state that was measured, and I don't see why this isn't the default position (it's valuable to hypothesize superposition and randomness, but premature to accept it and it violates Occam's Razor). I don't claim to know the answer but I'm conservative with regard to primary "real" randomness. Things we don't understand always appear random until we understand them.

Local determinism within the particles themselves is ruled out but there are still globally deterministic theories that are more intuitive than assuming randomness.
 
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eot

Banned
What about quantum teleportation? That's already been achieved
Hilarious none of you picked teleporting.

scientists have already managed to teleport particles/energy.

interstellar travel faster than the speed of light is a pipe dream
We've teleported information, not physical particles. The reason why it's significant has to do with quantum mechanics though, and it's not particularly meaningful in the classical case.

The most simple quantum mechanical state is a two-level system, for example a qubit. Like a classical bit, but instead of being in the state 0 or 1 it can also be in arbitrary combinations of those two states. To fully describe a qubit, you actually need two bits of classical information, one which describes the relative magnitude of the "0" and "1" states and one which describes their relative orientation (technically their phase). However, when you measure your qubit you only get one bit of information (is it "0" or "1"), and after the measurement the state collapses to what you measured it to be, and it's impossible to extract the other bit of information (had you done a different measurement you could have gotten it though, but you only get one, never both). This is one of the reasons it's impossible to clone quantum states, it's not possible to prepare a state, measure what it is, and then prepare a copy, because the measurement changes the state.

Quantum teleportation is a method that allows you to transfer the qubit stored in one physical system, to another physical system (that may be arbitrarily far away) without destroying the information. You never actually read it out, it's simply instantly moved, while the original information carrier is erased. The catch is, that the "target" information carrier actually ends up in a state that is the original one, but modified by a random transformation. What this transformation happens to be is revealed by the measurement of the original information carrier. This means, that in order to access the state of the new information carrier, you also need to send the classical information corresponding to what measurement outcome was obtained for the first carrier, and this circumvents the speed of light problems (without this information, the new carrier looks like it's in a random state, so it contains no information).

Of course this doesn't make sense classically, because you could simply read the information in some memory, and send it along.

How does this relate to actual teleportation? Well, if you could coherently manipulate particles on the subatomic level on a macroscopic scale, then yes you could teleport physical objects, because the information that specifies their state is all there is to them. However, that essentially amounts to making a replicator, and the internal quantum state of your body is most likely utterly irrelevant (coherent processes in your body would have to be on the fs timescale). Also worth pointing out that while we've teleported information from different kinds of particle (say, electron to photon), we've never used it to change the nature of the particles themselves.
 

DeafTourette

Perpetually Offended
Interstellar space travel is more than possible. And wouldn't require the power of a star to achieve. At least According to NASA.

Does anyone know what warp travel actually does?
 

V4skunk

Banned
Time travel not possible even in theory.
Teleportation not possible even in theory.

Interstellar travel possible in theory.
So that's my pick.
You are obviously no expert.
Can time travel by travelling at the speed of light or by orbiting a sun.
Particles have also been teleported across the this very planet. Every single thing is connected to everything else in the universe...Go research quantum theory.
 

eot

Banned
Bell's Theorem only disproves hidden local variables, but does not prove superposition (and more relevantly to my earlier comment, "true" randomness). I don't claim to know the answer but I'm conservative with regard to primary "real" randomness. Things we don't understand always appear random until we understand them.
Superposition is a 'feature' of QM, so you're right that Bell's Theorem doesn't prove it (it doesn't say anything about QM), however it does say something about randomness. If nature is not locally real then, by definition, there does not exist a way (even in principle) to locally predict the outcomes of certain measurements. How is randomness not exactly that? Something which is impossible to predict.

As for superposition, it is simply the way in which QM does predict the outcomes of these measurements (technically their expectation values). The catch is that superposition is a description of nature that is not locally real, the wavefunction is non-local and not 'real' in the sense which Einstein, Podolsky and Rosen meant. Furthermore, superposition does not get rid of the randomness, despite making accurate predictions of the outcomes, because it predicts the correlations between the outcomes, not the individual ones.
 

eot

Banned
Local determinism within the particles themselves is ruled out but there are still globally deterministic theories that are more intuitive than assuming randomness.
There is superdeterminism, which yes you can argue for, but it essentially amounts to making science meaningless because it becomes impossible to ask questions about nature. The questions you ask are predetermined and the answers you get are predetermined, there doesn't have to be any consistent connection between the two. This is just my opinion, but I find it similar to solipsism, you end up in a position where you reject all knowledge of the world.

There are also explicitly non-local realist theories like Bohmian mechanics. For ordinary QM, it can't be rejected on a purely scientific basis, though there are good arguments against it, I think the main one being that you need to impose more structure making the theory more convoluted. For relativistic quantum mechanics (quantum field theory) though, there is as far as I know no version of Bohmian mechanics. There are numerous technical problems that appear when you try to reconcile the theory with relativity. It might be possible, but in essence you're trying extremely hard to fit a square peg into a round hole, where the hole is our best description of nature as we know it.
 
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borborygmus

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There is superdeterminism, which yes you can argue for, but it essentially amounts to making science meaningless because it becomes impossible to ask questions about nature. The questions you ask are predetermined and the answers you get are predetermined, there doesn't have to be any consistent connection between the two. This is just my opinion, but I find it similar to solipsism, you end up in a position where you reject all knowledge of the world.

There are also explicitly non-local realist theories like Bohmian mechanics. For ordinary QM, it can't be rejected on a purely scientific basis, though there are good arguments against it, I think the main one being that you need to impose more structure making the theory more convoluted. For relativistic quantum mechanics (quantum field theory) though, there is as far as I know no version of Bohmian mechanics. There are numerous technical problems that appear when you try to reconcile the theory with relativity.

I appreciate your well thought-out replies and I concede you're more well read in this subject than I am. I don't have a specific position but I think real randomness is implausible and in a sense it's like admitting defeat, the same way superdeterminism would be, albeit resulting in a more expedient and useful model. If we're forced to rely on opaque, inscrutable entities then it is not unreasonable to think we missed something.

"It's unknowable because it's predetermined" is not much less plausible than "it's unknowable because it's random" although the latter is more useful.

But yeah this is just my opinion.
 
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Ballthyrm

Member
interstellar travel faster than the speed of light is a pipe dream

It's possible, just not very likely.
We know stuff bend space and there is no limit on bending space that we know of today.

There has been some proposal that aren't feasible like the Alcubierre drive or wormhole if they exist.

PS: We can travel faster than light, it just depends on the medium and FTL always assume we are talking about a vaccum.
But we know how to slow light enough to travel faster than it :)
 
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INC

Member
Isnt fuel still the biggest factor in interstellar flight? The amount of fuel becomes exponential, so u need more fuel to carry just the fuel?
 

Airola

Member
You are obviously no expert.
Can time travel by travelling at the speed of light or by orbiting a sun.
Particles have also been teleported across the this very planet. Every single thing is connected to everything else in the universe...Go research quantum theory.

Time doesn't exist as a dimension. All that speed of light thing does is it makes the particless and stuff vibrate in a manner that the change within them happens slower. It just makes you live longer relative to those who aren't moving at that speed. That's my theory about it.

Consciousness is not built out of particles. And you can't remove all particles of a human and then put them back together in a way that lets the person live through the process.

Obviously these are stories out from my ass, but I believe this is how it is.

We havent done it yet to know but if its an exact copy down to the atoms then it has all the info for your consciousness, no?

I believe consciousness isn't built from atoms. Thoughts aren't built out of atoms either.
 

Ornlu

Banned
Of the ones available on the poll, interstellar travel is the obvious one. That could be done already with today's technology. If we were willing to spend the resources and political capital on something that nobody living on Earth would ever see a return on investment on, it could absolutely be done.

More likely sci-fi phenomena in the future that weren't on the poll:

1. Space Elevators - Could be done today, for enormous up front expense. Would be highly beneficial and profitable after a relatively short period of time. Bye bye high cost to bring things to orbit. Hello extraplanetary industry.

2. Expeditions/mining/colonies within the solar system - Nothing is stopping us on this front; if we were willing to take on the same level of risk to life and property that nations and companies were willing to during the early Colonial era, we would be doing this already. Instead we wring hands and poo poo over the thought of a handful of astronauts potentially dying.

Isnt fuel still the biggest factor in interstellar flight? The amount of fuel becomes exponential, so u need more fuel to carry just the fuel?

No. Even with conventional fuels, you would only need fuel for initial acceleration, and a smaller amount of fuel (as your craft is much lighter after burning most of your fuel already) for the final deceleration. There are a number of other propulsion means that don't require conventional fuel at all. There's one in particular that comes out much faster the longer the distance, though the deceleration period is longer.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
While not specifically on the OPs list, my vote goes to A) an A.I. derived "afterlife" replica of someone convincing enough that the living can't tell the difference (guess you don't really need to be dead for this to happen to you) like that Black Mirror episode (and basically a core technology in all of Peter Hamilton's works), and B) gravity manipulation yielding greatly enhanced propulsion technology (ship acts as if near massless or something like that) or artificial gravity generation. Seems to me we know very little about gravity compared to other forces and it is ripe for exploitation in ways we can not imagine ATM.

Civilizations devolving into simulations seems like a very plausible end-stage evolution as well, why explore the real universe when you can explore a curated fictional one?
 

#Phonepunk#

Banned
i think magical thinking of the past has been replaced by magical tech thinking of the present.

there is a lot of magical thinking because people don't understand technology for the most part. you know the old saying about magic being indistinguishable from technology if someone doesn't understand it. lots of people think that is only true for isolated preindustrial cultures. imo there is a spectrum of ignorance that allows the Elon Musks and Jeff Bezos of the world to keep everyday people spellbound with conjuecture. because, well, they have a lot of money, so they must know something?

also lots of people watch Rick & Morty and think we will have clones or brain uploads in the next decade. people are educated largely through entertainment and have their scientific ideas largely shaped through sci fi.

lot of tech fantasies going around. sure, a few of them will happen, but in general, nope.
 
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Airola

Member

I don't agree with the claim in the opening that we are constantly moving through time, to our future. We are just constantly having a change in our bodies that will eventually make us break down and die. Everything that follows is based on that same premise, one that I don't believe in.
I don't believe in time as a dimension. I believe speed can change the vibrations and corrosion and how rapidly a thing changes and stuff like that, but that doesn't have anything to do with time as a dimension. It just allows a person live longer relative to those who are not going the same speed.

The clock example is about that same thing. Hyper fast speed causes the atoms and stuff change their state slower and that's why a clock that has been on a super fast trip can show different time.


But we are talking about humans here. I think that attempting to teleport a human being 1) causes the removal of consciousness, and 2) death of the physical being.

That said, I do believe that consciousness and thoughts are quite like teleporting things already. They possibly exist in two places at the same time, or at the very least bounce back and forth two places. I don't think they consist of atoms and particles and whatever, so they are not something that we can teleport with anything that teleports physical particles. And what comes to full humans, I don't think you can teleport the particles that build a human body around without killing it in the process.
 

HarryKS

Member
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Hilarious none of you picked teleporting.

scientists have already managed to teleport particles/energy.

interstellar travel faster than the speed of light is a pipe dream
"Taking a ship across the Atlantic is a pipe dream.

Flying in the air like a bird but in a manmade craft is a pipe dream.

Landing on the moon is a pipe dream.

A computer smaller than a bedroom is a pipe dream.

A phone without wires is a pipe dream.

Face-to-face live communcation over a video screen is a pipe dream."
 

OmegaSupreme

advanced basic bitch
While not specifically on the OPs list, my vote goes to A) an A.I. derived "afterlife" replica of someone convincing enough that the living can't tell the difference (guess you don't really need to be dead for this to happen to you) like that Black Mirror episode (and basically a core technology in all of Peter Hamilton's works), and B) gravity manipulation yielding greatly enhanced propulsion technology (ship acts as if near massless or something like that) or artificial gravity generation. Seems to me we know very little about gravity compared to other forces and it is ripe for exploitation in ways we can not imagine ATM.

Civilizations devolving into simulations seems like a very plausible end-stage evolution as well, why explore the real universe when you can explore a curated fictional one?
Isn't this essentially the plot of Soma?
 
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"Taking a ship across the Atlantic is a pipe dream.

Flying in the air like a bird but in a manmade craft is a pipe dream.

Landing on the moon is a pipe dream.

A computer smaller than a bedroom is a pipe dream.

A phone without wires is a pipe dream.

Face-to-face live communcation over a video screen is a pipe dream."
Those things don’t break physics . An object with mass moving faster than the speed of light breaks physics.
 
Nuclear winter will happen before these things. Humanity still needs to finish the WW trilogy. Not sure what is taking them so long for 3.
 

manfestival

Member
I am on team no hope. The most I can imagine is that we would likely create AI that would eventually supersede us. These robots would then keep any remnants of our race and probably spread them so humanity would only remain in essence but not in actual presence. Then in a far greater date that those robots would then travel for us and reach this feats that are far beyond our fleshly capabilities. Terraforming would also be a much simpler process since flesh is take out of the equation.
 
Those things don’t break physics . An object with mass moving faster than the speed of light breaks physics.
You're assuming one form of interstellar travel.

Much like how people before planes couldn't fathom anything that would make air travel possible, the same applies here.

Bending space or wormhole generation is definitely possible even in theory. I do agree that "hyperdrive" like in Star Wars which is just a straight forward SPEEEED form of interstellar travel is highly unlikely.
 

Bogey

Banned
Interstellar travel is the only thing I belive mankind has an actual chance of achieving, although not during our lifetime.

I think the other things might be possible physically, but probably not for living beings (maybe you could create some sort of short lived wormhole for particles, but what with the energy at play I doubt any living being would ever be able to get even just remotely close alive).
And even for that, I don't think mankind will survive long enough as a species to ever manage that.
 

AmuroChan

Member
In my lifetime I don't think we'll achieve any of those. In terms of the most likely, I think Interstellar travel will happen first before the other two.
 

Bogey

Banned

Either this article is highly misleading, or my understanding of this is fundamentally wrong (which is admittedly more likely).

My understanding is that quantum entanglement cannot be used to transport information. As otherwise you would indeed be transferring information at faster than light speeds, thereby accidentally.. Breaking physics.

As far as I understand things, you can indeed measure entangled qbits exactly at the same time in different locations, and get the same result.
But you can't influence what the measured state will be. Hence no way to use this to transmit information.

Happy for anyone with a more sound knowledge of physics to correct me if I misunderstood that stuff
 
Either this article is highly misleading, or my understanding of this is fundamentally wrong (which is admittedly more likely).

My understanding is that quantum entanglement cannot be used to transport information. As otherwise you would indeed be transferring information at faster than light speeds, thereby accidentally.. Breaking physics.

As far as I understand things, you can indeed measure entangled qbits exactly at the same time in different locations, and get the same result.
But you can't influence what the measured state will be. Hence no way to use this to transmit information.

Happy for anyone with a more sound knowledge of physics to correct me if I misunderstood that stuff
Fuck man. You isn't' going to get an explanation from me.

Interesting stuff though isn't it. People are always so pessimistic when it comes to these technologies but we are a stubborn species and we will eventually figure this all out. It's just a matter of time.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Interstellar travel, which I'm assuming let's us travel easily between star systems, is the most plausible out the three. Tech is a long, long way off and involves exotic matter that hasn't been discovered.

Time traveling into the future is already possible, but time traveling into the past is, at the moment anyway, completely impossible.

Teleportation worries me. If I enter a teleportation device, teleport from say London to New York, then do I actually die? Is the person being reassemble at the arriving destination the same person, or just a copy of the original person?
Anyway, this tech is actually possible, but we're hundreds of years away from getting there.

All of them are therefore possible, but we need to wait for the tech to catch up, which with our slow AF progress will take hundreds of years.

We could of course speed up the tech problem and reduce that timeframe,.but it would require some very drastic changes that the world isn't ready for.
 
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Deleted member 801069

Unconfirmed Member
Actually most likely:
  • worldwide dystopian social credit system
  • corporate nation-states
  • virtual companions in place of human relationships
Merry Christmas!
someone’s been playing a lot of Cyberpunk
 

eot

Banned
Either this article is highly misleading, or my understanding of this is fundamentally wrong (which is admittedly more likely).

My understanding is that quantum entanglement cannot be used to transport information. As otherwise you would indeed be transferring information at faster than light speeds, thereby accidentally.. Breaking physics.

As far as I understand things, you can indeed measure entangled qbits exactly at the same time in different locations, and get the same result.
But you can't influence what the measured state will be. Hence no way to use this to transmit information.

Happy for anyone with a more sound knowledge of physics to correct me if I misunderstood that stuff
I wrote an explanation earlier in the thread, but the short of it is that you can use it to transfer quantum information (bits, or other information primitives that have quantum properties), however you still need a classical information channel as well, and that classical information will travel at the speed of light. I can go into more detail if you want. With regards to the entanglement, in teleportation protocols, while the two parties share an entangled pair, only one of them measures.

While you can't send information faster than light, you can still do some cool non-local things. For example, in optics the angular resolution of say a telescope is basically limited by the size of the lenses you use. To get around this, radio astronomers came up with something cool called aperture synthesis, where you collect the signals in telescopes spread very far apart, and then you combine them with computers, instead of actually focusing them all in the same spot (which would be hard). This is how they got the picture of the black hole, using telescopes spread out across the entire globe. Unfortunately we can't do that with optical signals, because for it to work we need to record the waveform of the light, and the electric field oscillates too fast for any electronics to do that (we just see the intensity of the light, which is like an average). However, using entangled photon pairs (or bigger states, not just pairs) distributed to different telescopes, one could non-locally interfere light collected at different telescopes. In a sense you can think of it as, instead of having a big lens focus the light from all the telescope sites in one spot, we teleport the information contained in the light from one telescope to another.
 

Swaff

Neo Member
My heart says interstellar travel but my head leans towards none, I just don't see how we'll ever spend the necessary resources and expend the necessary effort to make the kind of technological advances required happen in the first place. That's before we even work out how to do it.
 

AJUMP23

Parody of actual AJUMP23
I chose interstellar travel, because I think at some point there may be a way to bend dimensions. We know there are 10 Dimensions, and we know that we have access to 3 of them, if we could find a way to access the other dimensions we may be able to "warp" through space. The amount of energy needed to do this may be unfeasible though. I would at some point like to think we will explore the heavens.
 

Bogey

Banned
I wrote an explanation earlier in the thread, but the short of it is that you can use it to transfer quantum information (bits, or other information primitives that have quantum properties), however you still need a classical information channel as well, and that classical information will travel at the speed of light. I can go into more detail if you want. With regards to the entanglement, in teleportation protocols, while the two parties share an entangled pair, only one of them measures.

"I can go into more detail if you want" - if you don't mind, sure. I'd find that quite interesting.

My impression was you can't influence what state will be measured, but I might very well be wrong there. How would you set up an experiment in which you can transmit information?
 

eot

Banned
"I can go into more detail if you want" - if you don't mind, sure. I'd find that quite interesting.

My impression was you can't influence what state will be measured, but I might very well be wrong there. How would you set up an experiment in which you can transmit information?
You can't influence it, no, that's exactly why you need to see which measurement outcome you got, and pass that along.

The hand-wavy explanation of how teleportation works is something like this. Let's say that in one lab you have two qubits, A and B, and in another lab you have a third qubit C. Initially, qubits B and C are entangled, meaning that if you do the same measurement on both of them, the outcomes will be correlated. They might be the same, or they might be opposite, depending on the type of correlation, however the measurement outcome of each individual qubit is random, all you can say about them is that they will have a certain relationship.

The idea of teleportation is that we also entangle qubit A with qubit B, so their measurement outcomes will become correlated too. Then when we measure them, since A is correlated with B, and B is correlated with C, we end up with A being correlated with C. However, when we measure qubits A and B, we get some random outcome, which means that if one were to measure C it would also look random, since it's correlated with the other random outcomes. Only by using the information of what the outcomes for A and B were can you make predictions about the measurement outcomes for C, so we have to send this information along. This description isn't fully accurate though, it doesn't explain why C would get the correct result for any possible measurement we choose to do on it.

Here's a description of how the protocol actually works, in the most simple case.
Let's say the state A, which we want to teleport, is simply in the state '0', I will write this as |0>.
The entangled state of B and C could for example be: |0,0>+|1,1>. The way to understand this is that either both qubits are '0' or both qubits are '1'. In general, a qubit state is written:

a|0>+b|1>

where the coefficients 'a' and 'b' tell you something about the probability for the qubit to be '0' and '1' respectively.

The first step is to try to entangle A with B. What this means is that we should change B in some way that is conditional on the state of A. One way to do this is to perform what is called a controlled-NOT operation, which does a bit-flip on B if A is in the state '1' and does nothing on B if A is in the state '0'. Here A controls what happens to B, hence the name.

In our case, since A is simply in the state '0', nothing actually happens. However, A could in principle also be in a more exotic state, such as a superposition of '0' and '1'. For example, if we perform the C-NOT gate on the state:

(|0>+|1>)|0> = |0,0> + |1,0>

where the left qubit is is the control, then we would get:

|0,0> + |1,1>

which is an entangled state.

Okay, but in our case as I said, nothing happens, because A is in the state '0' and we still have the state:

|0>(|0,0>+|1,1>) = |0,0,0>+|0,1,1>

Then we do what is called a Hadamard gate on qubit A, which does the following.

|0> -> |0>+|1>
|1> -> |0>-|1>

and we end up with:

|0,0,0>+|1,0,0>+|0,1,1>+|1,1,1>

where the qubits are ordered A,B,C

The reason we do this gate, is that now measuring qubit A won't tell us whether or not it was '0' or '1' in the beginning. If you look above, you see that the Hadamard gate takes both '0' and '1' to equal superpositions of '0' and '1' only with a different sign. When we do the measurement, this actually means that we have an equal probability to get the outcome '0' or '1' in both cases, therefore not giving any information about whether or not the state was '0' or '1' initially.

Anyway, now we measure qubits A and B. Now we should change the state C, depending on which outcomes we got for A and B. In this case, because we started with a simple state (A=|0>), we actually only need to care about the outcome for B. We can see by looking at the state:

|0,0,0>+|1,0,0>+|0,1,1>+|1,1,1>

That if B is '0' then C is '0' as well, however if B is '1' then C is '1'. From this it's clear that if we get the outcome '1' for B, then we should do a bit-flip on C to get the original state which was '0'. Okay, so this works, but it's probably still not clear why it works in the general case, but if you could follow the math here, then it's not much harder.

In the general case, we have that A is an arbitrary superposition of '0' and '1':

A = a|0>+b|1>

where 'a' and 'b' are complex numbers.

Then the total initial state is then:

(a|0>+b|1>)(|0,0>+|11> = a|0,0,0> + a|0,1,1> + b|1,0,0>+b|1,1,1>

We do the C-NOT gate between A and B, so the terms where A is '1' we do a bit-flip on B:

a|0,0,0> + a|0,1,1> + b|1,0,0>+b|1,1,1> -> a|0,0,0> + a|0,1,1> + b|1,1,0>+b|1,0,1>

so we did a bit-flip on B in the the last two terms. Now we should do the Hadamard gate on A. Going through one term at a time:
a|0,0,0> -> a|0,0,0> + a|1,0,0>
a|0,1,1> -> a|0,1,1> + a|1,1,1>
b|1,1,0> -> b|0,1,0> - b|1,1,0>
b|1,0,1> -> b|0,0,1> - b|1,0,1>

and the whole state is:
a|0,0,0> + a|1,0,0> + a|0,1,1> + a|1,1,1> + b|0,1,0> - b|1,1,0> + b|0,0,1> - b|1,0,1>

We now measure A and B as before, and the full correction procedure is that if we get that A is '1' then we flip the sign in front of C, and if we get '1' for B then we again do a bit-flip on C. Let's look at the four different outcomes by simply looking at the corresponding terms above:

There are two possible ways to get A=0 and B=0, these are:
a|0,0,0> + b|0,0,1>
but from this we get that:
C = a|0> + b|1>

(I didn't actually fully explain how the measurement works mathematically, but the point here is that the state a|0,0,0> + b|0,0,1> can also be written a|0,0,0> + b|0,0,1> = |0,0>(a|0>+b|1>) so if A,B = |00> then we can read off what the state of C is)

A=1, B=0:
a|1,0,0> - b|1,0,1> -> C = a|0> - b|1>
but since A was '1' we chance the sign, and we get back a|0> + b|1>

A=0, B=1:
a|0,1,1> + b|0,1,0> -> C = a|1> + b|0>
But now we do the bit-flip and get a|0> + b|1>

Finally,
A=1, B=1:
a|1,0,0> - b|1,0,1> -> C = a|1> - b|0>
Now we do both a bit-flip and change the sign, and we get the original state.

So in all four possible cases, we get that C ends up in the state that A was initially in, but as you can see the state is actually wrong if we don't take into account what the measurement outcomes were. If you look at the full state before the measurement, you'll even see that there are an equal number of terms where C is '0' and '1', which means that only measuring C without any knowledge of the other outcomes gives you a random state.

Note that the reason this works, is that no matter what outcome we get for A and B, it doesn't tell us anything about the coefficients 'a' and 'b' in the original state!


There's another way to understand the protocol. There are four different maximally entangled two-qubit states. These are:

|Phi+> = |0,0> + |1,1>
|Phi-> = |0,0> - |1,1>
|Psi+> = |1,0> + |0,1>
|Psi-> = |1,0> - |0,1>

If we again let A be in some general qubit state:

|A> = a|0> + b|1>

and, BC in the entangled Phi+ state as before:

|BC> = |0,0> + |1,1>

then it turns out that:

|A>|BC> = |A>|Phi+> = a|Phi+>|0> + b|Phi+>|1> + a|Phi->|0> - b|Phi->|1> + a|Psi+|1> + b|Psi+|0> - a|Psi-|1> + b|Psi-|0>

Basically, the state where A is some qubit and BC are entangled, can also be written as a superposition of states where A and B are entangled. What we're actually doing when we do the C-NOT and Hadamard gates, followed by measuring, is that we are measuring A and B in the basis of these entangled states, i.e. the possible measurement outcomes are that AB are in one of the maximally entangled states. So you see above that if we get that A and B are in a Phi+ state, then C = a|0>+b|1> and so on (the other ones need the same corrections as before).

You could check this identity above for some simple case, for example A=|0> as before, then:

|0>|Phi+> = |Phi+>|0> + |Phi->|0> + |Psi+|1> - |Psi-|1> =
= |0,0,0>+|1,1,0> + |0,0,0>-|1,1,0> + |0,1,1>+|1,0,1> - |1,0,1>+|0,1,1> = 2|0,0,0> + |1,1,0>-|1,1,0> + 2|0,1,1> + |1,0,1>-|1,0,1> =
= 2(|0,0,0>+2|0,1,1>) = 2|0>(|0,0>+|1,1>) = 2|0>|Phi+>

(The factor of 2 shows up because for simplicity I skipped some factors that should appear)
 
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None of that will be needed. Once we figure out what conciousness is, we can then upload it to a computer. When that happens, teleportation and interstellar travel become possible over-night.

Our shitty, temporary fleshbag bodies are what stop us from doing anything.
 

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None of that will be needed. Once we figure out what conciousness is, we can then upload it to a computer. When that happens, teleportation and interstellar travel become possible over-night.

Our shitty, temporary fleshbag bodies are what stop us from doing anything.

It's also possible that once we figure out what consciousness is, we figure out it can't be uploaded to a computer.
 
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