Whats going on with Square Enix?
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Red Scarlet
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So nice not having to worry about US release dates anymore. 
psycho_snake
I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
I dont understand why they have kept quiet about all the games we know are in development. They have said nothing about any of their games for ages. Ive been thinking about whats happened to KH2. They have released about 10 screenshots, 1 trailer and nothing else and the game has been in development for ages!
I think that they will surprise us at E3 though. Im pretty sure they have something planned for PS3 and maybe something for Xenon. I would love to see japanese a dev like Square-enix develop FF for Xenon, even if its not a game as famous as FF. The japanese need to support MS more, but that doesnt mean that I dont want them to give all their kick ass games to sony
I think that they will surprise us at E3 though. Im pretty sure they have something planned for PS3 and maybe something for Xenon. I would love to see japanese a dev like Square-enix develop FF for Xenon, even if its not a game as famous as FF. The japanese need to support MS more, but that doesnt mean that I dont want them to give all their kick ass games to sony
JackFrost2012
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jarrod said:
jarrod, please go back to bed for an hour and come back when you aren't so cranky.
The point isn't that there's a "dearth of Square games" (where did I ever imply this?); the point is that Square games are being made under the new "Enix way" of doing things. Though things might appear more or less the same from the outside, inside the company there's a lot more stress and frustration than before. This is why you're seeing more and more of Square's creative talent leave to start their own studios/development houses; making Square games at Square Enix just isn't worth the headaches, anymore.Waiting for your apology!
SolidSnakex
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psycho_snake said:
They've released alot more than that. There's 3 KH2 trailers online (TGS 2003, TGS 2004, and E3 2004) along with one that was suppose to be at Jump Festa 2005. That one showed a scene with Sora fusing with Donald according to some reports. They really haven't been all that stingy with the KH2 info like they have with FFXII, there was even a new KH2 interview last week
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=7505
Although Wada did say this month that KH2 and FFXII's release dates will be between this year and next, so atleast one of them isn't making it out this year in one territory. I'm guessing that KH2 is going to make it out since its actually turned out to be bigger than FF over here going by KH, which is Square's best selling title in the US this gen.
Particle Physicist
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Prince of Space said:
what the hell is this about::
robertsan21
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well they have released info about The new Fron Mission 3 with some art work from the master himself YOSHITAKA AMANO
Doom_Bringer
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SolidSnakex said:
Wow that sucks, I hope FFXII comes out first.
robertsan21
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KH sold more than FFX in the states?
WOW i did not know that
WOW i did not know that
They likely all giving them facelifts since nothing much sells nowadays unless is "western" or photorealistic, so FF12 likely has 4 FPS mini games in it and sora is now a gankster thief :lol
Honestly though it good to see those that went last years' E3 confirm FF12 was good to them because it been the exactly opposite at other forums from people that claim to have played it nearly year ago. Alot it stunk comments as well in my pvp private guild forum too from those that went.
Honestly though it good to see those that went last years' E3 confirm FF12 was good to them because it been the exactly opposite at other forums from people that claim to have played it nearly year ago. Alot it stunk comments as well in my pvp private guild forum too from those that went.
Well "Asshat" was over the top, but such an erroneous statement fully deserved that sort of response.JackFrost2012 said:jarrod, please go back to bed for an hour and come back when you aren't so cranky.
Sorry, that was the implication I got from Square games "having to wend their way through Enix's bureaucracy on the way to market". I guess I misunderstood, it's true that Square seems to be just as prolific as they were pre-merger and the quantity of their releases hasn't suffered. So despite your claims of increased "bureaucracy" it seems it hasn't really mattered one bit in the end.JackFrost2012 said:
Quite the opposite actually, Enix has bended to Square's studio structure and formed 2 of their own now. Enix games are now made the "Square way" actually, not the reverse.JackFrost2012 said:
Oh please.JackFrost2012 said:
Outside Sakaguchi have there been any others? And the formation of MistWalker can hardly be blamed on Enix now can it?
Square's always had a revolving door staff and expatriot companies (Brownie Brown, Alpha Dream, Sacnoth/Nautilus, Monolith Soft, etc) were just as commonplace before the merger truthfully. There might be "added pressure" from having Enix's solid management in place (something Square's never really had, if they did maybe they wouldn't have needed this merger) but it hasn't resulted in any perceptible difference in either turnover or output. Quit crying wolf.
Fat chance.JackFrost2012 said:
Your evalution was enormously off the mark. Enix of America certianly wasn't "reaping all of the benefits". In fact they were shut down, gutted and all their planned releases put on the backburner (Star Ocean) or canceled entirely (DQM Caravan Heart) in favor of Final Fantasy fanservice and spinoffs. This merger has had the worst possible results for American Enix fans, if DQ8 doesn't get a fucking gigantic push followed by tons of overdue DQ releases... I dunno what I'll do. But it won't be good.
Kobun Heat
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Uh, JackFrost knows more about the inner workings of Square Enix on his worst day than you guys could guess at on your best day. My advice would be to take the things he says as the nuggets of wisdom they truly are, rather than try to disprove them with your own industry-outsider assumptions.
Kobun Heat
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There's everything wrong with it inasmuch as he's attempting to refute JackFrost's statements, which are true. But I'm not going to go much further because I'm sure once it's morning in Tokyo JackFrost can just go ahead and lay the smack himself.Shouta said:
JoshuaJSlone
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Doesn't seem like there's a lot more to be said, really. Jarrod is arguing based on what he's seeing. Jack is telling the way things that can't be seen from the outside are going. Since Jack seems to be a guy who'd be in the know about this sort of thing and doesn't seem to be a compulsive liar, I see no reason to not accept what he says, unless Jarrod has an inside scoop.
Shouta
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JoshuaJSlone said:
Jack's statements are probably on the mark about added pressure from inside the corporate structure (Jarrod isn't certainly calling him a liar if anyone was actually reading carefully) but that doesn't discount any of jarrod's points aside from his third one about the "Enix/Square way" (which I do think he's wrong on) of making games which an actual insider would know more about. Jarrod's put up some damn good counterpoints that someone actually has to refute rather than pass it by using the "insider knowledge" card to attempt to marginalize his post.
JackFrost2012
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I'm not gonna "lay the smack down" cause it's a busy work day, sadly.
I reply to the thread "what's going on with Square Enix?" with what's going on Square Enix and get nothing but fisking grief for my trouble. I'm telling you is the way things are, not the way things appear to be from the outside. It's the nature of the industry that I can't go through and annotate my comments with "so-and-so told me this under these circumstances." You just have to vaguely trust I'm not pulling things out of my ass.
It's worth noting that I'm talking 100% about the Japanese market, not the U.S. one, and that Dragon Quest fans need to have a little faith and patience. jarrod, you're a nice guy and a good poster but in this case, you're wrong. Sorry.
I reply to the thread "what's going on with Square Enix?" with what's going on Square Enix and get nothing but fisking grief for my trouble. I'm telling you is the way things are, not the way things appear to be from the outside. It's the nature of the industry that I can't go through and annotate my comments with "so-and-so told me this under these circumstances." You just have to vaguely trust I'm not pulling things out of my ass.
It's worth noting that I'm talking 100% about the Japanese market, not the U.S. one, and that Dragon Quest fans need to have a little faith and patience.
jarrod, you're a nice guy and a good poster but in this case, you're wrong. Sorry.
Wrong about what exactly? Care to elaborate rather than deferring to "you're wrong", end of story?JackFrost2012 said:
Enix of America wasn't gutted? Enix actually hasn't preserved Square's studio R&D structure? Mistwalker's formation is actually the result of Enix and there's tons of new ex-Square teams out there we just don't know about now since the merger? If I'm wrong on everything feel free to enlighten us all.
When it results in games from said firm being delayed years or canceled outright, then I'd say yes. I'd definitely prefer an outsourced, censored translation to no translation at all.duckroll said:
I'm not up entirely on Enix America censorship though, was there anything they cut that wasn't mandated by SCEA? I've always got the impression their GBC stuff was pretty true to the original source and that was mainly a result of NOA being so hands off?