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Where Is James Bond? Trapped in an Ugly Stalemate With Amazon
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Tams
Member
On one hand: fuck Amazon for shit like Rings of Power.
On the other hand: Barbara Broccoli brought us shit like Die Another Day and made Craig's Bond progressively more boring and preachy.
Oh, and Broccoli not having at least a story and a rough script ready, plus actors they want on a list... yeah right.
On the other hand: Barbara Broccoli brought us shit like Die Another Day and made Craig's Bond progressively more boring and preachy.
Oh, and Broccoli not having at least a story and a rough script ready, plus actors they want on a list... yeah right.
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Sybrix
Gold Member
Conflicted on this, one the one hand, it can be a good thing when you have a single person/family in control of a franchise, however the single entity holds all the power and holds all the cards.....
Bond needs to be released every 3-4 years, not a fucking 6,7,8 year wait, its ridiculous.
Bond needs to be released every 3-4 years, not a fucking 6,7,8 year wait, its ridiculous.
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
I love a good Bond movie like the next person and I'm glad that Broccoli still calls the shots cause the last fucking thing we need is for Bond to be handed over to the sort of cunts that make up Amazon's Studios, Christ can you imagine what they'd do to such an icon..
The names Bond, James Bond, He/Him..
The names Bond, James Bond, He/Him..
Judge Death
Neo Member
James Bond is the most mismanaged franchise in entertainment history. They could bash a film out every 2-3 years and it would do 500-800 million at the box officre and a fortune on streaming and disc sales. They could have spin off films, TV shows, graphic novels, games, and they'd all do pretty well based on the fact that Bond is possibly the most well-known individual character in film history across the world. Instead we have yet another fuck up after the six year hiatus before Brosnan and the disaster of the releases in the Craig era (six years in between films!!!). It will be at least 2028 before the next film is released. Remember when it was the 50th anniversary of the Bond films with Skyfall in 2012? Well 12 years later it's the 62nd anniversary and we've got just two Bond films in that period. Say what you like about Cubby's gangster-like behaviour, he knew how to give people what they wanted for thirty years.
ManaByte
Gold Member
It used to be every two years. But they had the same director and crew for almost every movie AND they were adapting the Fleming novels, so it was easy.
Sybrix
Gold Member
ManaByte
Gold Member
The hiatus before Brosnan was because Brosnan was their only choice. They wanted him before Dalton, but he was locked into Remington Steele at the time.
Judge Death
Neo Member
Remington Steele finished in 87. They should have had a film out with Brosnan in 91-92, not 1995. It was clear to them that Dalton wasn't working out and he didn't any to do anymore back in 1989. There shouldn't have been a four year gap between QoS and Skyfall. There shouldn't have been a six year gap between Spectre and NTTD. They shouldn't still be wondering what to do three years after NTTD.
Edit - For some reason I thought the last film was called A Good Day to Die. Ooops.
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Tams
Member
There's even a 007 Stage at Pinewood, where even with the stupid massive gaps, most of the films filmed there have been Bond ones.
They really do need to make it a production line. Choose a Bond, then have them do 4-6 (max) films with 2-3 years between them. Then choose a new Bond, with a longer gap being appropriate there.
When Bonds get too old, the films suffer. And the Bond actors have often said it takes up too much of careers, so just make it set dedication so they know what they are getting into.
Sybrix
Gold Member
To be fair, i think the long delays were due to writers strikes and Covid for Spectre and NTTD.
ManaByte
Gold Member
This is a colossal oversimplification of the problems Bond went through pre-Goldeneye. In 1990 they were in pre-production for a third Dalton movie. The problems NOTHING to do with the Broccolis. The movie was scheduled to release in 1991 (when you said the first Brosnan movie should've been out), but MGM/UA went through massive legal problems in 1990 that affected the Bond rights. The lawsuits weren't even settled until 1993. That's why Goldeneye didn't come out until 1995.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Eh, most of those earlier films were looooooooose adaptations to say the least. And quite frankly most of the novels were kinda tosh for a film anyway (a girl stuck in a cabin with gangsters for the whole film? No thanks). Now the Gardner novels, THOSE were ready made for film adaptations, get on it!!!
Get Cavill, go for a 80's era with the Cold War so we have a proper adversary if they don't have the balls to make China the straight villain, and just crank through the Gardner novels every 2 years. BILLIONS IN THE BANK!
Get Pierce Brosnan back as M (maybe have Feinnes back, but he was just too dour as M in my opinion), set up that Bond is a cover identity so they can swap out agents as necessary, then start printing money.
FWIW Dalton is my favorite presentation of Bond. While Connery is the BEST Bond to watch, it's really just Connery being Connery. Dalton brought that edge. Younger Moore was great in a very specific range. Brosnan I liked a lot. Craig had like 1.5 great films and the rest, not so much for me. But I always go back to Dalton as how I'd like to see the character. Not sure Cavill would be that way, he's too handsome and charming, like Connery and Brosnan, but you never know.
SirKicksalot
Member
Scarcity makes Bond special. It's an event. I don't want it to turn into Star Wars.
Futaleufu
Member
Nah, for me a more frequent release lets them be a little more experimental as the stakes for each film are a little lower. There are some boundaries they shouldn't cross with the character, but otherwise they can play a bit more if the films come out every 2-3 years instead of 1-2 in a decade and EVERYTHING is riding on each one. Then we get silly shit like "Bond is DEAD!" in an almost completely nonsensical film that straight up plows into the ground from a narrative perspective. Get back to more episodic films instead of delving into Bonds psychology in some lame attempt to deconstruct him.
Grildon Tundy
Member
Casino Royale is a GOAT.
Quantum of Solace is a goat.
Skyfall is dope.
SPECTRE is a documentary.
No Time to Die is a misleading title.
Quantum of Solace is a goat.
Skyfall is dope.
SPECTRE is a documentary.
No Time to Die is a misleading title.
ManaByte
Gold Member
He’s 41. He’s too old to start.
Marvel just hired a 60 year old to be their big bad villain for the next 5+ years. Age doesn't mean what it used to. Cavill is healthy and has a good toupee, he could be bond for 15 years at least and that would be 5 films, a solid run. I dont think a 30 yo has the gravitas, they all look too young these days
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
DKehoe
Member
I feel like for Bond you need someone with a more charismatic presence.
ManaByte
Gold Member
Broccoli won’t cast anyone over 30 after the hell they went through with Craig and his knees going out all the time.
Warspite
Member
Good for Broccoli for sticking up for the franchise but I feel like the bond franchise has had it issues, almost like it has been trend chasing a bit.
Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace are great. Skyfall is ok and SPECTRE is the one thing no bond film should ever be, it was boring.
No Time to Die had a combination of all the attributes above, good bits, bad bits and bits that were a slog. It was also going in a direction that just didn't suite the franchise.
Broccoli needs to find a Director, Writer and Actor than can give it back that spark.
Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace are great. Skyfall is ok and SPECTRE is the one thing no bond film should ever be, it was boring.
No Time to Die had a combination of all the attributes above, good bits, bad bits and bits that were a slog. It was also going in a direction that just didn't suite the franchise.
Broccoli needs to find a Director, Writer and Actor than can give it back that spark.
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Unknown Soldier
Member
She should withhold Bond until Amazon sells the franchise. There's no way he can still be a white male under Amazon and nobody wants a black trans woman wheelchair bound Bond. I'm happy with the 25 existing films in the Eon legacy, I would rather there be no new entries rather than see Bond get ruined like Indiana Jones and Star Wars and Lord of the Rings and Tomb Raider
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Judge Death
Neo Member
How is this not mismanagement? You seem determined to defend them at all costs. What's your defence for the Craig-era then? More bad luck?
ManaByte
Gold Member
Eon had nothing to do with MGM/UA’s issues in the 90s. So no, it’s not mismanagement.
Judge Death
Neo Member
And the Craig era issues?
ManaByte
Gold Member
It’s all well documented. Craig kept getting hurt. By the time they got to Spectre he was too old. Which is why they won’t cast someone over 30 again.
RJMacready73
Simps for Amouranth
Unknown Soldier
Member
Also they don't think James Bond is a "hero" and they want to make Bond a black woman. Just say No to Amazon
They actually kind of already answered this in No Time to Die and really what happened in that movie more or less sums up how Broccoli and the rest feel about that
Jinzo Prime
Member
I would rather never get another Bond movie than get one made by cretins who think like this.
Tams
Member
Because Broccoli brought us one GOAT Bond film with incredible potential that was then wasted with only one of the proceeding films being great (Skyfall).
And while rightfully picky about who plays Bond, Barbara Broccoli is also guilty of being part of the DEI shite, just nowhere near as much.
Don't get me wrong. Amazon are far, far, far worse if not held back by a strong personality (see RoP compared to The Boys or Invincible).
And anyway, while serious Bond has been an interesting and at times incredible experiment, frankly, I just want fun Bond back.
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FunkMiller
Member
Says the woman who didn't want Christopher Nolan to make a James Bond movie. Broccoli is a fucking moron.
These stealth 'Amazon are always terrible and everyone else is marvellous' threads are getting very tiresome.
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FunkMiller
Member
The thing people don't understand about Amazon Studios is that they are not some large monolithic slab, where everyone thinks the same thing. Some of them are cretins (mainly Salke's people) but many of them also know what they're doing. That's why there's such a massive variation in quality coming out of the place.
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ReBurn
Gold Member
Perfectly encapsulates how I feel about the Craig Bond movies.
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
Meanwhile Simon Tolkien and the Estate happily bent over for Amazon.
FunkMiller
Member
Tolkien would basically have dropped his trousers for anyone who offered him enough cash. An absolute maggot of a human being.
Christopher Tolkien died in January 2020.
Rings Of Power went into production in February 2020.
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