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[olimario]

All of the impressive N64 titles belonged to RARE and they are no longer with Nintendo.

The most impressive GC game for over a year after launch was Rogue Leader and Factor 5 is no longer with Nintendo. Hell, Rogue Leader sold me on a GC.

Capcom is still Sony focused. I doubt we'll see anything like RE4 on the system until late in the console's life, if ever.



Who does that leave to show off what the Revolution is capable of? As much as I like Retro, they don't seem to push hardware like the above developers.
Nintendo knows how to make a pretty game, but they don't do it by pushing technology.

 

[AlteredBeast]

I think Sega is about to make a big mistake again and do somethign crazy like VF5 exclusive on Rev.

 

[ThongyDonk]

Square Enix!

 

[Speevy]

This is what I said in another thread.

Nintendo is better off just setting the bar low and maximizing their own hardware. It's not like tons of third party exclusives are going to be lined up, especially with the unique nature of the Revolution.

 

[Juice]

When I first read this thread title I thought... "Sweet WoW is gonna be on Revolution."

I am disappointed.

 

[ge-man]

All of the impressive N64 titles belonged to RARE and they are no longer with Nintendo.

The most impressive GC game for over a year after launch was Rogue Leader and Factor 5 is no longer with Nintendo. Hell, Rogue Leader sold me on a GC.

Capcom is still Sony focused. I doubt we'll see anything like RE4 on the system until late in the console's life, if ever.



Who does that leave to show off what the Revolution is capable of? As much as I like Retro, they don't seem to push hardware like the above developers.
Nintendo knows how to make a pretty game, but they don't do it by pushing technology.

Nintendo gave us Luigi's Mansion at launch, and I think that's up there with Rogue Leader. Nintendo is certainly capable to meeting the challenge.

 

[Tiktaalik]

They could do it themselves like what they did with Super Mario Brothers 3 and Super Mario World

 

[Ruzbeh]

In a recent interview, George Harrison said that the Gamecube failed because of the lack of titles such as GTA and Gran Turismo.

New Zelda, new Mario, new Metroid, maybe Kid Icarus, a GTA game and a Gran Turismo game?

 

[olimario]

Nintendo gave us Luigi's Mansion at launch, and I think that's up there with Rogue Leader. Nintendo is certainly capable to meeting the challenge.

Luigi's Mansion is a nice looking title, but it has hints of the N64.
It takes places in small rooms and has some very poor textures and is sometimes very low poly.

 

[xsarien]

All of the impressive N64 titles belonged to RARE and they are no longer with Nintendo.

Super Mario 64 belongs to Rare? I had no idea.

 

[ThongyDonk]

Nintendo new franchises of racing with real cars and city killing sprees.

But instead we’ll get Mario going round Peach City and cleaning up vandalism and putting out fires rather than causinf them!!

Mario Kart with upgradeable karts now that’s what I WNAT (---- I claim that as a new word!)

 

[impirius]

I'd say WOW about Mario in HD!

 

[ThongyDonk]

WOW to Rev OMG fanboi's go wild!!

 

[akascream]

It's funny that your thread title mentions nothing about graphics, but your post assumes that is the only way to impress anyone. Either way, graphics on revolution aren't going to 'wow' anyone. The revolution isn't a next gen machine, and will even be less capable than the gamecube in some respects (HD resolutions).

Where the Rev will wow, if anywhere, is if Nintendo gets off thier ass and makes some grade A quality console games instead of farming thier franchises out to be shit on by third parties. I'm not entirely sure thier Revolution gimmick will be that impressive either. We'll see.

 

[olimario]

It's funny that your thread title mentions nothing about graphics, but your post assumes that is the only way to impress anyone. Either way, graphics on revolution aren't going to 'wow' anyone. The revolution isn't a next gen machine, and will even be less capable than the gamecube in some respects (HD resolutions).

Where the Rev will wow, if anywhere, is if Nintendo gets off thier ass and makes some grade A quality console games instead of farming thier franchises out to be shit on by third parties. I'm not entirely sure thier Revolution gimmick will be that impressive either. We'll see.

You speak so matter-of-factly about the Revolution...

 

[ge-man]

It's funny that your thread title mentions nothing about graphics, but your post assumes that is the only way to impress anyone. Either way, graphics on revolution aren't going to 'wow' anyone. The revolution isn't a next gen machine, and will even be less capable than the gamecube in some respects (HD resolutions).

480p does not equal HD. I don't why people have assumed that progressive scan is not an option, especially when it has been reported that the system has the GCN digital port in the back.

 

[akascream]

You guys are just setting yourselves up for dissapointment if you think the revolution is going to compete with the PS3 or Xbox360 in terms of graphics, or have any kind of high definition support.

Nintendo has been hinting at a weak, low power consuming system, and have confirmed there will be no HD support. I dunno how they could let you down any easier.

 

[olimario]

You guys are just setting yourselves up for dissapointment if you think the revolution is going to compete with the PS3 or Xbox360 in terms of graphics, or have any kind of high definition support.

Nintendo has been hinting at a weak, low power consuming system, and have confirmed there will be no HD support. I dunno how they could let you down any easier.

I'm not expecting something great, but it wouldn't suprise me. "News" that comes out about new consoles and such, even from within a company, isn't always true.

While I'm expecting a GameCube +, it won't shock me to see PS3-like visuals out of the Revolution next E3.

 

[ThongyDonk]

Nintendo is playing down hype like they did with DS.

No one will like it blah blah blah, and when you are under whelmed they will hit you with it

Sony and M$ have played their full decks so Nintendo can now sit back and go .
we want to beat that. DO IT

 

[ge-man]

You guys are just setting yourselves up for dissapointment if you think the revolution is going to compete with the PS3 or Xbox360 in terms of graphics, or have any kind of high definition support.

Nintendo has been hinting at a weak, low power consuming system, and have confirmed there will be no HD support. I dunno how they could let you down any easier.

That's not what I said, though. That's an entirely different point.

 

[akascream]

Nintendo is playing down hype like they did with DS.

No one will like it blah blah blah, and when you are under whelmed they will hit you with it

Sony and M$ have played their full decks so Nintendo can now sit back and go .
we want to beat that. DO IT

And as a result, people weren't expecting something that would defeat the PSP in terms of technology. But the PSP blows the DS away in that respect. I think you are right to draw a direct comparison between the two scenarios.

 

[ThongyDonk]

And as a result, people weren't expecting something that would defeat the PSP in terms of technology. But the PSP blows the DS away in that respect. I think you are right to draw a direct comparison between the two scenarios.

Home console market is different.
Nintendo know what sells in the handheld market and they knew PSP level tech was one step too early.

Home console however people want big (Or small in console size) and the best looking graphics

 

[akascream]

Home console market is different.
Nintendo know what sells in the handheld market and they knew PSP level tech was one step too early.

Exactly, which is why the DS is doing well.

Home console however people want big (Or small in console size) and the best looking graphics

Exactly, which is why Revolution won't fair as well as the DS imo.

 

[ThongyDonk]

Exactly, which is why the DS is doing well.

Which is what i said

Exactly, which is why Revolution won't fair as well as the DS imo.

Which is why i said wait and see

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

How about the makers of TWW which you keep praising every other second?

 

[olimario]

How about the makers of TWW which you keep praising every other second?

Because as good as it looks, it has some big technical flaws like poor textures, pop up, and low poly environments.

 

[akascream]

Which is why i said wait and see

Heh, they'd have to have something pretty amazing up thier sleeves to consider otherwise though, no? With a console that was technically capable this gen, they managed to lose a huge amount of the market. It would be safe to say that even if they have an amazingly powerful machine this upcoming generation, that this trend would continue.

But they aren't going to be on the same level, so that makes thier situation even more dire imo. All they really have is this backlog of Nintendo games, and whatever the 'revolution' gimmick is. And how cool could it possibly be really. Short of VR Helmets and holographic VR rooms ala Star Trek anyway.

 

[ThongyDonk]

Due to lack of space on GC disks??

Zoonami 8yrs in the making, Funkydilla
switched to Rev
Killer title!.

 

[Particle Physicist]

It's funny that your thread title mentions nothing about graphics, but your post assumes that is the only way to impress anyone. Either way, graphics on revolution aren't going to 'wow' anyone. The revolution isn't a next gen machine, and will even be less capable than the gamecube in some respects (HD resolutions).

um.. what? so do we have another insider now? or are people taking rumors as gospel?

 

[ThongyDonk]

Heh, they'd have to have something pretty amazing up thier sleeves to consider otherwise though, no? With a console that was technically capable this gen, they managed to lose a huge amount of the market. It would be safe to say that even if they have an amazingly powerful machine this upcomming generation, that this trend would continue.

But they aren't going to be on the same level, so that makes thier situation even more dire imo. All they really have is this backlog of Nintendo games, and whatever the 'revolution' gimmick is. And how cool could it possibly be really. Short of VR Helmets and holographic VR rooms ala Star Trek anyway.

They lost out due to piracy not being user friendly unlike PS2 and XBox and lack of DVD media playback.
hit this all you want, but any console, that is easily moddable will sell to the Chav's of the world

 

[Azure Dream]

Super Smash Bros. Revolution.

Melee was leagues above almost everything in the GC's early years in terms of graphics, audio, and presentation (the only argument against that might be Rogue Leader II, depending on your opinion), and I trust HAL with delivering yet another dynamite, polished product. This time Nintendo knows just how important the title truly is (top seller on the GCN, bar none, STILL sells big numbers and they refuse to uniformly drop it to $20), and will make sure their resources are completely behind it (Melee already had a ton of support, but you can tell that Nintendo started to panic at the delays and had it rushed, when a month or so more of tweaking might've cleaned up a few small problems that still dwell in the title). And they're even proclaiming it as their first big "Yes, this is online" Rev title. Iwata just came right out and said it at E3, unrelated to anything else really being said.

That's going to be their polished showpiece for the standard capabilities of the platform. Mario Revolution (no point in calling it 128 anymore, that was in reference to the GCN, and Nintendo completely missed that boat, it seems) will probably be an off-kilter showpiece for the unique features the Rev will offer, but maybe underachieving in some of the more traditional fields. (Comparing what was first shown about Mario Sunshine to what ended up at E3 much later on, to then getting a home release and finding out the framerate was halved because they couldn't lock it at 60 for the later levels with the amount of time left they had to finish it...)

 

[akascream]

They lost out due to piracy not being user friendly unlike PS2 and XBox and lack of DVD media playback.
hit this all you want, but any console, that is easily moddable will sell to the Chav's of the world

Heh, so you think Nintendo would have a larger userbase had the Gamecube been easier to hack? I think you are letting the justification of thieves get to you. Piracy means jack.

 

[Odysseus]

They lost out due to piracy not being user friendly unlike PS2 and XBox

My eyes are literally looking at my brain right now.

 

[ThongyDonk]

Heh, so you think Nintendo would have a larger userbase had the Gamecube been easier to hack? I think you are letting the justification of thieves get to you. Piracy means jack.

take my mates and peeps i know

Person one
Has a HDD fitted loaded with loads of games. he buys next to no software on his XBox.

Person 2
Same

Person 3
Same

Person 4 and 5 same

i can only take to be true what i know.

These guys don't know the GC has games still made for it... :lol

 

[ThongyDonk]

My eyes are literally looking at my brain right now.

Hit me all you want. but its my every day experience.

 

[Juice]

I think it's legit to think that piracy can move consoles, though. I had friends buy a second or third Xbox just so they could mod the hell out of it and make it do crazy media center tasks and their laundry.

And even if MS doesn't make a dime in sales off "piracy intended" Xboxen, their higher cumulative user base does look more tempting to third party publishers, even though the tie ratio suffers.

 

[radioheadrule83]

Nintendo will make their own wowing stuff. If you're talking strictly visually, then maybe not too wowing, but I do think they'll make something for this that makes people sit up and listen.

I think the interface could mean other things will catch attention too...

ie as on DS: Feel the Magic DS, FPS games post-MP demo, or things like Boy and His Blob, Black & White, Age of Empires etc.

SEGA, Capcom and Namco will all be good supporters. Hopefully Square Enix brings more than FFCC to the table.

 

[akascream]

480p does not equal HD.

Missed this...sorry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_definition

Generally, high-definition refers to an increase in resolution or clarity

* High-definition television
o Historically, the phrase "high-definition television" referred to any significant increase in resolution. NTSC was once considered high-definition, as were other formats.

I think x2 is significant.

 

[Juice]

Missed this...sorry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_definition


I think x2 is significant.

Truth is, it's a poorly developed standard with a poor naming convention that tries to do way too many things.

They should have just drawn the line in the sand and picked just 720p or just 1080i, and either forwent developing a 480p standard or called it "Ehanced TV" like Fox was trying to do for awhile before being laughed off the stage.

 

[akascream]

Truth is, it's a poorly developed standard with a poor naming convention that tries to do way too many things.

They should have just drawn the line in the sand at 720p or 1080i, and either forwent developing a 480p standard or called it "Ehanced TV" like Fox was trying to do for awhile before being laughed off the stage.

Either way, my intention wasn't to mince words, but to point out that the GCN is capable of 480p (if you got a unit in the first few years anyway), while we aren't sure the Revolution will be. Nintendo confirmed no HD for Rev. Whether nintendo considers 480p to be high definition or not seems to be the question. But given thier current track record, I think it's safe to err on the side of dissapointment heh.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Nintendo confirmed no HD for Rev.

when? where?

 

[akascream]

http://ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=50779

 

[UltraMagnanimous]

But instead we’ll get Mario going round Peach City and cleaning up vandalism and putting out fires rather than causing them!!

Sounds great actually, I'd buy that for a dollar.

 

[neo2046]

I think Sega is about to make a big mistake again and do somethign crazy like VF5 exclusive on Rev.

hm.......
I think Sega will choose either the console which has the most market share, or the console has the most power
will Rev suit to either one of the both above??

I think Sega will release some titles like "Feel the magic" rather than VF, Sega Rally franchises on REV


WOWing title for REV?
possibility 1) Nintendo hires Treasure to make a new Sin&Punishment for REV
possibility 2) Camelot make a new Golden Sun RPG for Rev
possibility 3) hm.... no idea

 

[Dr_Cogent]

All of the impressive N64 titles belonged to RARE and they are no longer with Nintendo.

Mario 64 was not a Rareware title and that game was great. Neither were the Zelda games.

Rare had GoldenEye, and I must admit - was the best game on the N64.

I don't think you can say "all impressive N64 titles belonged to Rare". Also, Rare doesn't own Diddy Kong Racing from what I remember.

 

[Particle Physicist]

http://ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=50779

um.. the first post has a non-answer from nintendo.. and im not going to sift through that entire thread to find a link confirming this supposed news.

 

[CO_Andy]

All of the impressive N64 titles belonged to RARE and they are no longer with Nintendo.

The most impressive GC game for over a year after launch was Rogue Leader and Factor 5 is no longer with Nintendo. Hell, Rogue Leader sold me on a GC.

Capcom is still Sony focused. I doubt we'll see anything like RE4 on the system until late in the console's life, if ever.

Who does that leave to show off what the Revolution is capable of? As much as I like Retro, they don't seem to push hardware like the above developers.
Nintendo knows how to make a pretty game, but they don't do it by pushing technology.

Olimario, most of the questions you pose are idiotic.

1) Who cares about Rare anymore? All their good designers from their team already jumped ship. At the end of this generation, it looks they'll be recognized for creating ONE game that actually deserves merit (and it isn't even an original title).

2) Factor 5 will be missed. They pushed the limits of Nintendo hardware like no other.

3) Capcom may still be Sony focused, but all their best titles this gen were given to the Cube exclusively (even if it was for a short time).

4) Your last few statements :lol

 

[Phoenix Dark]

Well, I'm sure SSBM and Mario will be utterly amazing. I also can't wait for a newer Zelda and Miyamoto's new IP. On the 3rd party front, I'd love to see RE5 on the Revolution. That would be kickin.

I'm pissed about the MP3 revalation. Why is Nintendo forcing Retro to beat a dead horse? I want to see an original FPS from Retro.

 

[sprsk]

stop capitalizing wow, unless you are talking about world of warcraft.

 

[akascream]

Well, I'm sure SSBM and Mario will be utterly amazing. I also can't wait for a newer Zelda and Miyamoto's new IP. On the 3rd party front, I'd love to see RE5 on the Revolution. That would be kickin.

Yeah, some kind of gyro controlled mario sans water pack could kick some serious ass.

I'm pissed about the MP3 revalation. Why is Nintendo forcing Retro to beat a dead horse? I want to see an original FPS from Retro.

I agree here too. I'm a big Metroid fan, and I need a break. Retro should work on some new ip imo. I'd be happy if they stuck to the fps genre though. They have a lot of talent in that area compared to say an rpg or racing combat game heh.