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Which monitor is best out of these?

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Parl

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ep85

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Both are TN screens, which means you suffer with viewing angles, gradients, color reproduction. Although its not as bad as people will make it out to be. I'm not familiar with UK pricing so I'm not positive about this but IPS and PVA panels are out of your budget. Unless you are a professional photographer or planning on using the monitor for something that requires colors to be accurately produced, a TN panel should be fine.

In the end you will be looking at it, whichever fits your aesthetic better is the one you should go for. I personally thing the LG looks "cooler."
 
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie

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Everything posted so far is TN panel garbage. Poor viewing angles and colors. You can't really pick a winner out of the lineup.

But, they're cheap, so for your budget, pick any of them that has the inputs you need.
 
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Mudkips

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ep85 said:
Both are TN screens, which means you suffer with viewing angles, gradients, color reproduction. Although its not as bad as people will make it out to be. I'm not familiar with UK pricing so I'm not positive about this but IPS and PVA panels are out of your budget. Unless you are a professional photographer or planning on using the monitor for something that requires colors to be accurately produced, a TN panel should be fine.

In the end you will be looking at it, whichever fits your aesthetic better is the one you should go for. I personally thing the LG looks "cooler."
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Oh dear god yes it is.
TN is the devil. THE DEVIL.

Move your head? Slouch in your chair? Can'tSeeShitCaptain.gif
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Slayer-33

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As long as you place that shit on a wall or centered to your sights horizon it's fucking fine guys c'mon ;p

you can't beat the price for size either :D


Glossy TN panels 19"+-24" are very nice man, go for 24"


NIN90 said:
Oh my god. This thread is already infested with TN panel nazis.
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Yeah man..


Don't believe it for a second that TN is not good enough, it is DAMNED good enough if you are not a graphics artist, buy a fucking TN that's big enough for you and you'll be very happy. I recommend glossy as it doesn't look cheap.
 
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Mudkips

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Slayer-33 said:
Don't believe it for a second that TN is not good enough, it is DAMNED good enough if you are not a graphics artist, buy a fucking TN that's big enough for you and you'll be very happy. I recommend glossy as it doesn't look cheap.
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No.
The bigger a TN panel is the more pronounced the problems are.
They are trash.
 
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Parl

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Mudkips said:
No.
The bigger a TN panel is the more pronounced the problems are.
They are trash.
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They're crap compared to the really expensive monitors, but so is a good working cheap car compared to an expensive one. I've seen TN panel monitors. I've been bad ones, I've seen good ones. Of course I haven't seen mind-blowingly amazing display from these types of monitors, but the friend I'm buying this for is on a budget and has a luxury of not giving a shit about differences enough for a good TN to comfortably satisfy what he wants from it. He uses his PC watching some films, playing somes games, and isn't a graphical elitist.

I'm looking for the best monitor for this price range. Anything outside of 100% irrelevant piffle.
 
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i have the phillips and it's been pretty amazing. it looks good, it has great viewing angles for a TN (176/170, sometimes i and about 4 other guys will watch movies on it from all angles no problem) and when i saw it side by side in the store with a lot of other monitors it definitely had the best color. been using it for about 8 months so far. also, the speakers arnt bad even though i just use other speakers
 
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Mudkips

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And I'm not a graphical elitist.
I'm simply a person with eyes.

There is no such thing as a "good" TN panel.
The technology is inherently shit.

Better monitors are not much more expensive.
 
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-COOLIO-

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Mudkips said:
And I'm not a graphical elitist.
I'm simply a person with eyes.

There is no such thing as a "good" TN panel.
The technology is inherently shit.

Better monitors are not much more expensive.
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while i notice that watching stuff at an angle is messed on most laptop screens, i havnt had that problem with the phillips. it's essentially felt just like a tv. besides, tn also have faster response rates which are great for games no?
 
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Parl

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Mudkips said:
And I'm not a graphical elitist.
I'm simply a person with eyes.

There is no such thing as a "good" TN panel.
The technology is inherently shit.

Better monitors are not much more expensive.
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IMO, there are good TN monitor, but there aren't excellent ones. Good is good enough for this purpose. All pointless twoddle anyway, for two major reasons. One, budget is a limitation, and two, I know that my friend's personal experiences with TN panels that they're easily good enough.

The subjective experience is the only thing that matters. I'm aware that they're a fairly shoddy piece of technology in technical terms and also makes them relatively weak too, but good enough is a 100% guarantee, as long as it's from the good range of TN monitors.
 
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-COOLIO-

The Everyman
since im such a nice guy, here's some pics of the phillips:

DSC00715.jpg


i think tn panels are also more watchable with glare
DSC00717.jpg


DSC00719.jpg
 
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Complex Shadow

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-COOLIO- said:
since im such a nice guy, here's some pics of the phillips:

DSC00715.jpg


i think tn panels are also more watchable with glare
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u129/COORIO/DSC00717.jpg[/MG]

[IMG]http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u129/COORIO/DSC00719.jpg[/MG][/QUOTE]

nice background :P
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SnakeswithLasers

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-COOLIO- said:
since im such a nice guy, here's some pics of the phillips:

[IM]http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u129/COORIO/DSC00715.jpg[/IMG]

i think tn panels are also more watchable with glare
[IM]http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u129/COORIO/DSC00717.jpg[/IMG]

[IM]http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u129/COORIO/DSC00719.jpg[/IMG]
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Sorry to say, it's a monitor bro--doesn't matter which angle you look from, you aren't going to sneak a glance at her honeypot. I commend you for trying though.
 
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-COOLIO-

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SnakeswithLasers said:
Sorry to say, it's a monitor bro--doesn't matter which angle you look from, you aren't going to sneak a glance at her honeypot. I commend you for trying though.
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it almost worked with the last one though
 
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chuckddd

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One: I have that LG monitor and really like it. I was actually looking to buy the Samsung LED monitor, but the colors on the LG were almost as good and it was about $100 less. It does bleed some light from the edges.

Two: Don't listen to the haters that would like you to pay 3x as much for an ips monitor, it's best to ignore them. Somehow they think you're going to run by the monitor and jump around while you use it. You're not. It's certainly not worth the price unless the monitor is going to make you money. I have a friend with dual ips displays. Does it look great? Yes. Does he make money using his monitors? Yes.

Three: Trust your eyes on this decision. Go to the store, look at monitors, buy the one that looks the best, you can afford and has a good response time. All of the shopping sites have user reviews, they'll alert you if there's a serious issue with a monitor.

EDIT:
As long as we're going to recommend things out of his price range, I recommend THIS.
 
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Parl

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-COOLIO- said:
since im such a nice guy, here's some pics of the phillips:

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u129/COORIO/DSC00715.jpg[IMG]

i think tn panels are also more watchable with glare
[IMG]http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u129/COORIO/DSC00717.jpg[IMG]

[IMG]http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u129/COORIO/DSC00719.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]
Looks good. I'm sure this will be good enough, but if it turns out the BenQ is better, I'll have to go with that one.

Thanks for the impressions and pics.
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Tarazet

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BravoSuperStar said:
IPS for $300

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824002524

I bought one a couple weeks ago, it destroys any TN panel i've ever owned. And I've owned a lot. Only drawback is lack of HDMI. Dont let the 14ms scare you either, I've played tons of games on it and haven't seen any ghosting.
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The thing about IPS is that the response time is really, really assy. 14ms is unacceptable for gaming, though I'm sure the screen is jaw-droppingly beautiful for video. You can get a TN monitor with a 2ms response time for $200.
 
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BravoSuperStar

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Tarazet said:
The thing about IPS is that the refresh rate is really, really assy. 14ms is unacceptable for gaming, though I'm sure the screen is jaw-droppingly beautiful for video. You can get a TN monitor with a 2ms refresh rate for $200.
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It's 60hz...what do you mean by "assy"? If you mean response time, it's fine. I've played 60fps+ games like SFIV, BF:BC2, Source games, GTAIV etc. No ghosting whatsoever.
 
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malsumis

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Tarazet said:
The thing about IPS is that the response time is really, really assy. 14ms is unacceptable for gaming, though I'm sure the screen is jaw-droppingly beautiful for video. You can get a TN monitor with a 2ms response time for $200.
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IPS and PVA are on par with TN in response times(except those 2ms models). It's just that the response times are calculated differently. A 6ms PVA will beat the shit out of any TN 5ms monitor. Example: Samsung 245T(PVA 6ms) has at maximum some 16 ms transitions, spectrum average is really 6.2ms. The 245B TN 5ms monitor has most transitions just under 22ms, and only some at near 5ms, so the average grey to grey is over 14ms, two times slower than the "slow" PVA monitor. (reference: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/monitors/display/24inch_17.html ) The IPS panels are a tad slower than PVA, but nowhere near as bad as they are made out to be. Both PVA and IPS are fast enough for any 60fps video game. Any display is, if its slowest transition is less than 16.6 ms, that is.
 
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Tarazet

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malsumis said:
IPS and PVA are on par with TN in response times(except those 2ms models). It's just that the response times are calculated differently. A 6ms PVA will beat the shit out of any TN 5ms monitor. Example: Samsung 245T(PVA 6ms) has at maximum some 16 ms transitions, spectrum average is really 6.2ms. The 245B TN 5ms monitor has most transitions just under 22ms, and only some at near 5ms, so the average grey to grey is over 14ms, two times slower than the "slow" PVA monitor. (reference: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/monitors/display/24inch_17.html ) The IPS panels are a tad slower than PVA, but nowhere near as bad as they are made out to be. Both PVA and IPS are fast enough for any 60fps video game. Any display is, if its slowest transition is less than 16.6 ms, that is.
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What about an IPS though? You've only directly compared a TN to an SVA. The NEC IPS monitor that was linked above was rated at 14 ms. Using your numbers, that would be enough, but I doubt somehow that's full spectrum performance.
 
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nitewulf

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dont mind me piggy-backing this thread...what are some IPS/VA monitors, 24" size, i should be looking at?

is the Dell Ultrasharp 2405 good enough, or is it completely outdated?
 
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