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Who Killed the Funk?

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sonicfan

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I know I started a thread today about Murder Ballads, and this is quite a different subject, but when I was younger, I was a big fan of a lot of Funk Bands. Brick was one of my favorites, and the Ohio Players, the Brothers Johnson, the Gap Band, and then Prince came along, and Rick James....oh, the old days....I used to play the crap out of this album Brick - Good HIgh

I'm sure its just Hip Hop that took the place of Funk, but I miss the musicianship of the old stuff, was never a big fan of Hip Hop, but I also used to be a huge fan of electronic music back in the old days too, which used to always be criticized and not "real" music.....

http://www.ebony.com/entertainment-culture/death-of-the-funk-bands-420



Michael A. Gonzales reflects on P-Funk, the Ohio Players, Earth Wind & Fire, etc. and wonders where the funk have all the funk groups gone?

Reading Love, Peace, and Soul, author Erika Blount Danois’ excellent upcoming book on the groundbreaking Soul Train, I began thinking about 1970s music and the many yesteryear funk bands that once populated the Black pop charts. Built on the foundation of gospel, jazz, soul and rock, funk was the energetic little brother who was more ambitious and had no problem being the wild child in the canon of pop.

While the often costumed electric bass strummers, wah-wah guitar screamers and stylish synthesizers were once soul-stomping staples of radio and stage, in the 21st century new funk music units have virtually disappeared. Seeing the names of artists James Brown, the Ohio Players, Kool & the Gang, Parliament-Funkadelic, Earth, Wind & Fire and countless other funky folks made me think about those soulful yesterdays when heavy funk music still mattered beyond the aural ideas of sample happy producers.

Paging through Love, Peace, and Soul, I slowly began tripping through time and space, and within minutes crash-landed back in an era when funk was an art form worshipped in basements and bedrooms, where fans played James Brown records continuously or mimed air bass as the latest Bootsy Collins single spun on the turntable.

Brown, whose 1967 hit “Cold Sweat” is often sited as the first true funk song, would later be anointed as the “father of funk.” Many of his early funk hits—including “Say It Loud (I’m Black and I’m Proud),” “Super Bad” and “The Payback”—inspired peers like jazz trumpeter Miles Davis and an entire generation of hip-hop artists. “Brown’s cockiness and swagger is all up in the DNA of rap,” says writer/director Nelson George. Earlier this year, George’s most recent film, Finding the Funk, began making the rounds at film festivals. “Simply put, if there was no James Brown, there would be no hip-hop.”

Coming into maturity in the 1970s (that post-civil rights era when everything seemed possible), funk—with its relentless rhythms, dynamic grooves and powerful horn sections— became the chocolate-colored soundtrack to a golden age of Blackness.

Occasionally, one could catch a glimpse of our funk heroes on television, as when Sly Stone made appearances on The Dick Cavett Show, The Merv Griffin and The Dinah Shore Show. Later, purely music-driven programs like Don Kirshner’s Rock Concert and Midnight Special gave exposure to the “uncut funk” of the Commodores (“Brick House”), the Ohio Players (“Fire”) and Kool & the Gang (“Hollywood Swinging”).

While the word funk began as one of those bad words your mother might slap you in the mouth for saying aloud, over time it became a synonym for freedom: freedom from the conventional sound of soul, polite behavior on the mic, and three-piece suits as appropriate attire. As George Clinton sang on Funkadelic’s 1978 “One Nation Under a Groove,” funk was a way “out of your constrictions.”

In its time, funk became deeper than just the music, transforming into a movement that represented everything from blowout kits to double-knits, Afro-Sheen to gangster lean and the way brothers bopped to Bohannon to sisters dropped to their knees when dancing to “Pick Up the Pieces.” Although funk music played year round, it was during the steamy summer months that it really came alive. I attended my first funk concert in the summertime, when Graham Central Station played Pittsburgh. At the time Graham, who years later would become a mid-life mentor to Prince, had been literally chased away from his position as bassist for Sly & the Family Stone, and was determined to do his own funky thang.

Marveling at a massive crowd that resembled extras from a Blaxploitation movie, I listened carefully to Larry Graham playing in his trademarked style, slapping the strings of his instrument like a maniac on songs like “Hair” and “The Jam.” That 1975 show was my first live funk experience and, I realized that night, was the best way to hear the music. Indeed, most funk sounded better and more intense when removed from the three-minute “constrictions” of then seven-inch disc formats.

“Funk changed my life,” says Detroit native and producer Ira McLaughlin, who in 1976 witnessed P-Funk’s iconic Mothership landing for the first time. “In Detroit, we heard funk on the radio and we just wanted to belong.” Like many of us growing up with funk, McLaughlin spent many hours grooving to music, drooling over the lusty photographs on the covers of Ohio Players albums and digging the bizarre alien sci-fi dreams of Pedro Bell’s acid fueled P-Funk album covers.

Producer Brian Bacchus, who has worked with Norah Jones and Gregory Porter, grew up a New York City kid tuned into the funk. “I was heavily into the Brooklyn-based Mandrill back in the early Seventies, but radio killed off funk a long time ago,” he says. “With a few exceptions, like Prince or the Isley Brothers, guitars began to mostly fade from Black radio in the Eighties.”

According to Bacchus, the funk movement of the Seventies was a perfect storm of social climate and musicianship that many young people were first exposed to in public school. “When music was taken out of the school system, the concept of forming a band became passé,” Bacchus says.

While lately I’ve been digging the sounds of Cali funkateer/ hip-hop producer Adrian Younge, whose Black Dynamite soundtrack made him perhaps the funkiest new school artist on the planet, for me the last great funk band was Tony Toni Toné. Comprised of Raphael Saadiq, D’Wayne Wiggins and Timothy Christian Riley, the Bay Area band were a trio of family members who emerged out of Oakland in 1988.

“Oakland is the musical hometown of Tower of Power, the Pointer Sisters and Sly and the Family Stone,” D’Wayne told me in 1994. “Whenever you hear someone plunking the bass, you know they were influenced by Larry Graham.” While not as raw as George Clinton or as innovative as Prince, these soul boys still bring the funk on “Feels Good,” “My Ex-Girlfriend” and others.

Priding themselves on coming from a funky town, Raphael Saadiq often bragged that when he was coming up, learning how to play an instrument was a rite of passage for Oakland boys. “Players used to be the ones who got all the girls,” Saadiq said. “But once hip-hop started, rapping became more prominent than playing.”

Indeed, as writer Erika Blount Danois explains, “New music technologies made it cheaper to be a soloist than to start a band. If you could operate samplers, sequencers and drum machines, there was no real reason to start a group.”

Citing the Ohio Players as her favorite funk group, Blount insisted that her children study traditional instruments. “I had my kids taking private classes in piano and trumpet. It was expensive, but I felt it was worth it.”

UCLA professor Scot Brown says, “It’s not that funk artists don’t exist anymore, it’s just that the record companies don’t see Black bands as a sacred unit anymore. Everywhere I go I see bands, but Black music industry executives are trying to find the next Chris Brown or Beyoncé.”

Currently living in Atlanta, he is working on a book about Dayton, Ohio funk bands like Bootsy’s Rubber Band and Slave. “These days, you could look at Jay Leno or David Letterman and see all kinds of White groups you never heard of, but the same can’t be said for Black bands,” Brown says. “The diversity of the Black community is no longer reflected in popular music.”

In the last two decades, funk music has continued to flounder. But there have been a few revivalists that tried to breathe new life into the genre, under the tremendous talents of D’Angelo, drummer/producer Questlove, producer James Poyser, Erykah Badu and others. Currently working towards finishing D’Angelo’s decade-plus-in-progress third disc, Questlove has described the project as “A true funk album.” For the love of the funk, I hope he’s right.

Cultural critic Michael A. Gonzales has written cover stories for Vibe, Uptown, Essence, XXL, Wax Poetics and elsewhere. He's also written for New York and The Village Voice. Read him at Blackadelic Pop and follow him on Twitter @gonzomike.
 

jaxword

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Funkadelic as a unique group outside of parliament/p-funk doesn't get enough love. Maggot brain and Standing on the Verge of Getting it On are so god damn good.
 

sonicfan

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Yeah, I listened to a 70's stoner some songs a lot when I was younger, lol, but to this day I have never smoked a joint. Hey, they had a good beat and were easy to dance too...

I didn't even drink until my sophomore year in college... Not a religious thing or some thing like that. I just had an older brother who was left for dead on the beach after drinking and partying with "friends" when he was 15, and even though my Mom didn't talk about it, see was in AA, and certainly didn't encourage it in any way.. These things turned me off to partying when I was younger, I just never saw the point...all I knew were the bad things that could happen..
 

DiscoJer

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I think slow music is just more popular, for whatever reason. When rap started, it was essentially a form of dance music. Now it's incredibly slow music, people seem to sway to it more than dance. What popular fast music does exist, is overproduced pop.


And besides talk shows, there used to be a lot of dance music shows. Soul Train, Solid Gold, Dance Fever.
 
I don't know what happened to the funk but I love listening to the old classics, especially Earth Wind and Fire.

Brothers Johnson...Strawberry Letter 23...sooo good!
 

highrider

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It isn't Drake or Taylor Swift. We are in an era where music is engineered to appeal to specific fan bases. Funk just doesn't have broad appeal anymore, and to be fair it never really was a mass market success. The Gap band, Earth Wind and Fire, the Commodores implemented it pretty well in a more watered down way, but it was always kind of niche. You had the occasional one off dance hit but yeah.
 

Prez

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Disco wasn't far from funk, don't believe that racist bull shit. #chic

Are you for real? Disco is way different than funk. Funk and jazz are the only genres I listen to and I hate rock, so I don't see why it's a racist thing to say. If anything it died together with disco because it was all the same to the rock fans.

I love Chic but it's very different from most disco.
 

Aurongel

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Davidion

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Funk and disco are the shit.

They aren't dead though. Just harder to find.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRf6TibQqpc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MDDFKAvgYA

It's true. Various electronic acts, often in the house/breaks arena, still try to tap into it. It always lives on, if not so obviously so. Sampling may have done damage as people say, but it also enabled whatever being sampled to leave imprints as well.

If you're a purist, that may not suffice, but it is what it is.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZecDTNrQNI
 

sonicfan

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I will add this on what could have been a factor, the cost of real musicians.

Looking at some of the old groups when they played live, with the big horn section, 2 full keyboard, 2 guitars, bass guitar, Drums,maybe even additional people for the rhythm section, backing singers, it must have cost a fortune to take that on the road. Then the 80's come around, you needed a turntable and a mic, or tapes and a computer, you could have as little as 2-3 people to make it work...
 
Daft Punk have played around the edges of it, but aside from Get Lucky and a stray bassline here and there, they've never had all that much of the funk.

I'd say hip-hop drove a number of nails into the coffin. Why cut a new funk track when you can sample an old one?
 

Prez

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Daft Punk have played around the edges of it, but aside from Get Lucky and a stray bassline here and there, they've never had all that much of the funk.

Nile Rodgers delivered the funk in Get Lucky, it had little to do with Daft Punk.
 

akira28

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Funk will return. Just need more black musicians and black bands getting exposure. I could easily see some DC gogo artists moving into funk as they get older.
 

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JohnDoe

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Do your thinking before the both of you open your mouths. There's some schmuck from RS doing the orbit-attaining logic leaps you are and you're slurping it down as it was some KKK thing. Jesus fuck the arrogance and delusion.

It's amusing as hell to watch you rage because of this. The disco demolition night definitely had a racial aspect behind it, just like the hate jazz used to get and the hate hip-hop gets now.
But I guess it's better to get that white guilt get the best of you and get all defensive about racism that took place more than 30 years ago.
 

IceCold

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If wasn't just about black people. A lot of the people that were listening to funk and disco were gay (well LGBT in general), blacks and hispanics. I think there's even a conspiracy that the government had something to do with the downfall of disco. I doubt it's true, but who knows these days.
 

ToxicAdam

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Funk existed because there was a generation of talented black men that grew up listening to big band/jazz in their households. They had role models to emulate and went down that path of becoming musicians because it was a viable/enviable lifestyle. There was a whole infrastructure of clubs/gigs that existed to support their lifestyles as they honed their craft.

So, out of that large pool of people, amazing artists emerged and formed a new sound. The pool just isn't as big as it used to be and the infrastructure doesn't exist to make it a career choice.

Also, technology.
 
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