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Why are people no longer having sex in Japan?

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Trojita

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The article is pretty long and I'm trying to avoid posting the whole thing.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/20/young-people-japan-stopped-having-sex

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Arm’s length: 45% of Japanese women aged 16-24 are ‘not interested in or despise sexual contact’. More than a quarter of men feel the same way. Photograph: Eric Rechsteiner

Ai Aoyama is a sex and relationship counsellor who works out of her narrow three-storey home on a Tokyo back street. Her first name means "love" in Japanese, and is a keepsake from her earlier days as a professional dominatrix. Back then, about 15 years ago, she was Queen Ai, or Queen Love, and she did "all the usual things" like tying people up and dripping hot wax on their nipples. Her work today, she says, is far more challenging. Aoyama, 52, is trying to cure what Japan's media calls sekkusu shinai shokogun, or "celibacy syndrome".

Japan's under-40s appear to be losing interest in conventional relationships. Millions aren't even dating, and increasing numbers can't be bothered with sex. For their government, "celibacy syndrome" is part of a looming national catastrophe. Japan already has one of the world's lowest birth rates. Its population of 126 million, which has been shrinking for the past decade, is projected to plunge a further one-third by 2060. Aoyama believes the country is experiencing "a flight from human intimacy" – and it's partly the government's fault.

The sign outside her building says "Clinic". She greets me in yoga pants and fluffy animal slippers, cradling a Pekingese dog whom she introduces as Marilyn Monroe. In her business pamphlet, she offers up the gloriously random confidence that she visited North Korea in the 1990s and squeezed the testicles of a top army general. It doesn't say whether she was invited there specifically for that purpose, but the message to her clients is clear: she doesn't judge.

Inside, she takes me upstairs to her "relaxation room" – a bedroom with no furniture except a double futon. "It will be quiet in here," she says. Aoyama's first task with most of her clients is encouraging them "to stop apologising for their own physical existence".

The number of single people has reached a record high. A survey in 2011 found that 61% of unmarried men and 49% of women aged 18-34 were not in any kind of romantic relationship, a rise of almost 10% from five years earlier. Another study found that a third of people under 30 had never dated at all. (There are no figures for same-sex relationships.) Although there has long been a pragmatic separation of love and sex in Japan – a country mostly free of religious morals – sex fares no better. A survey earlier this year by the Japan Family Planning Association (JFPA) found that 45% of women aged 16-24 "were not interested in or despised sexual contact". More than a quarter of men felt the same way.

Aoyama cites one man in his early 30s, a virgin, who can't get sexually aroused unless he watches female robots on a game similar to Power Rangers. "I use therapies, such as yoga and hypnosis, to relax him and help him to understand the way that real human bodies work." Sometimes, for an extra fee, she gets naked with her male clients – "strictly no intercourse" – to physically guide them around the female form. Keen to see her nation thrive, she likens her role in these cases to that of the Edo period courtesans, or oiran, who used to initiate samurai sons into the art of erotic pleasure.

Aversion to marriage and intimacy in modern life is not unique to Japan. Nor is growing preoccupation with digital technology. But what endless Japanese committees have failed to grasp when they stew over the country's procreation-shy youth is that, thanks to official shortsightedness, the decision to stay single often makes perfect sense. This is true for both sexes, but it's especially true for women. "Marriage is a woman's grave," goes an old Japanese saying that refers to wives being ignored in favour of mistresses. For Japanese women today, marriage is the grave of their hard-won careers.

I meet Eri Tomita, 32, over Saturday morning coffee in the smart Tokyo district of Ebisu. Tomita has a job she loves in the human resources department of a French-owned bank. A fluent French speaker with two university degrees, she avoids romantic attachments so she can focus on work. "A boyfriend proposed to me three years ago. I turned him down when I realised I cared more about my job. After that, I lost interest in dating. It became awkward when the question of the future came up."

Tomita says a woman's chances of promotion in Japan stop dead as soon as she marries. "The bosses assume you will get pregnant." Once a woman does have a child, she adds, the long, inflexible hours become unmanageable. "You have to resign. You end up being a housewife with no independent income. It's not an option for women like me."

Around 70% of Japanese women leave their jobs after their first child. The World Economic Forum consistently ranks Japan as one of the world's worst nations for gender equality at work. Social attitudes don't help. Married working women are sometimes demonised as oniyome, or "devil wives". In a telling Japanese ballet production of Bizet's Carmen a few years ago, Carmen was portrayed as a career woman who stole company secrets to get ahead and then framed her lowly security-guard lover José. Her end was not pretty.


Side note, does the title of the article even make sense gramatically? "Why have young people in Japan stopped having sex?"
 

RoboPlato

I'd be in the dick
Aoyama cites one man in his early 30s, a virgin, who can't get sexually aroused unless he watches female robots on a game similar to Power Rangers.

If I hadn't clicked through to see if it was in the actual article I would have thought this was a joke you added in.
 

thetrin

Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
Aoyama cites one man in his early 30s, a virgin, who can't get sexually aroused unless he watches female robots on a game similar to Power Rangers.

Living in Japan, nothing about this surprises me.
 

Azuran

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Aoyama cites one man in his early 30s, a virgin, who can't get sexually aroused unless he watches female robots on a game similar to Power Rangers. "I use therapies, such as yoga and hypnosis, to relax him and help him to understand the way that real human bodies work.".

This has to be one of the saddest things I have ever read. No wonder so many nerds want to go there.
 

lunch

there's ALWAYS ONE
Side note, does the title of the article even make sense gramatically? "Why have young people in Japan stopped having sex?"
I don't see why it wouldn't be grammatically correct, and it's a slightly better title than the one you used. Your title asks why people stopped having sex in Japan, whereas the original asks why Japanese people have stopped having sex.
 

789shadow

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This thread will be all about that one quote while ignoring the one about terrible gender equality in the workplace.
 

Trojita

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I don't see why it wouldn't be grammatically correct, and it's a slightly better title than the one you used. Your title asks why people stopped having sex in Japan, whereas the original asks why Japanese people have stopped having sex.

Oh man I'm tired. I read it over and it makes sense now.
 

thetrin

Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
Gender equality is not only total shit here in Japan, but men treat women like shit in general. It's not just chauvinism. It's a total lack of gentlemanly behavior.
 

Kisaya

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Didn't really read the article so I don't know if it referenced it, but I recently saw a documentary about the decreasing population in Japan, and it pretty much said that most women are disinterested in relationships and want to focus more on their jobs/being independent.

And yeah mostly cause they're obsessed with robots, lol.
 
You know, I heard that in order to encourage pandas to do it, researchers play videos of pandas having sex to encourage them. If Japan was to have more porn, maybe it'll get their people in the mood to bump uglies.
 
You know, I heard that in order to encourage pandas to do it, researchers play videos of pandas having sex to encourage them. If Japan was to have more porn, maybe it'll get their people in the mood to bump uglies.
Japan has more than enough porn, quite frankly. Too much.
 

jerry1594

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It amazes me that there's no reform of the workplace when it's obvious it poses a serious obstacle to marriages and the population is about to crash.
 

FOOTE

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You know, I heard that in order to encourage pandas to do it, researchers play videos of pandas having sex to encourage them. If Japan was to have more porn, maybe it'll get their people in the mood to bump uglies.
Isn't porn censored in Japan?
 

Yamauchi

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You know, I heard that in order to encourage pandas to do it, researchers play videos of pandas having sex to encourage them. If Japan was to have more porn, maybe it'll get their people in the mood to bump uglies.
I don't think a lack of Japanese porn is the problem here.
 

JordanN

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Gender equality is not only total shit here in Japan, but men treat women like shit in general. It's not just chauvinism. It's a total lack of gentlemanly behavior.
Can you go into detail about the daily gender imbalances?

I read Japan really ranked low in gender equality so I'm interested in hearing more.
 
Tomita says a woman's chances of promotion in Japan stop dead as soon as she marries. "The bosses assume you will get pregnant." Once a woman does have a child, she adds, the long, inflexible hours become unmanageable. "You have to resign. You end up being a housewife with no independent income. It's not an option for women like me."

Welp.
 

789shadow

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Based on that one quote do you think it could quite possibly be the men not caring to engage in it? I know many people over there from America that love Japanese women and speak very highly of them all around.
I highly doubt that fetishes could be responsible for such a large problem.
 
My buddy was worried when he broke up with his girlfriend after joining the Navy.

Didnt take too long for him to find a new one in Japan.
 
In this context, it does seem that the stuff that makes us go "lol Japan" is probably due to the fact that any sexually charged stuff has to go REALLY over the top to get a response from Japanese people.
 

jasonng

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It's not like these guys have low libido either. It seems like they much rather get their kicks via cuddle cafes and whatever the fuck. If I had a low libido I would aim to be more productive in my life.

I'm getting there though. I'm getting there.
 
I wish all those career oriented women would take over the media industries. Government too.

Surely this will pave the way for interesting social change over there in the future.
 

mattiewheels

And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
Having seen their porn, I can understand why neither men nor women would want anything to do with sex.
What's up with the crying/sadfaces in every one of those?
 

TUSR

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i was going to make a joke about tentacles and shit, but the guy in the article did all the work for me
 

MechaX

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Tomita says a woman's chances of promotion in Japan stop dead as soon as she marries. "The bosses assume you will get pregnant." Once a woman does have a child, she adds, the long, inflexible hours become unmanageable. "You have to resign. You end up being a housewife with no independent income. It's not an option for women like me."

Around 70% of Japanese women leave their jobs after their first child. The World Economic Forum consistently ranks Japan as one of the world's worst nations for gender equality at work. Social attitudes don't help. Married working women are sometimes demonised as oniyome, or "devil wives". In a telling Japanese ballet production of Bizet's Carmen a few years ago, Carmen was portrayed as a career woman who stole company secrets to get ahead and then framed her lowly security-guard lover José. Her end was not pretty.

Yeah... that's... kind of a problem. And when considering that the older folks that are holding on to this mindset are the majority in Japan right now, well...

Having seen their porn, I can understand why neither men nor women would want anything to do with sex.

It's kind of funny that this even came up, but some of their porn... I cannot even fathom that there's a culture (as opposed to very rare subsets of people) that potentially finds that kind of shit arousing.
 
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