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[andycapps]

if Cam has been doing this since he got in the league wouldn't he therefore be acting like he's been there before?

I think he means, you're a dual-threat QB whose job it is to get first downs by running or passing. You don't need to celebrate after each one.

And I get that to some extent, but if the other team doesn't want him to celebrate, stop him.

My Cam hatred started years ago and has been in a constant state of refinement since then, but I will say that the hatred has dimmed some as his athleticism is just really damn fun to watch. I mean, I wish he was on my team (Falcons).. but he's fun to watch. Hell, I hate Brady but I've enjoyed watching him.

 

[Absinthe]

I think that you need to read what I said again, as I already answered this question.

I guess it makes sense because of the type of play. Others have done the same though and don't feel the need to celebrate every single time.

if Cam has been doing this since he got in the league wouldn't he therefore be acting like he's been there before?

Valid point

I think he means, you're a dual-threat QB whose job it is to get first downs by running or passing. You don't need to celebrate after each one.

And I get that to some extent, but if the other team doesn't want him to celebrate, stop him.

My Cam hatred started years ago and has been in a constant state of refinement since then, but I will say that the hatred has dimmed some as his athleticism is just really damn fun to watch. I mean, I wish he was on my team (Falcons).. but he's fun to watch. Hell, I hate Brady but I've enjoyed watching him.

Exactly. He is amazing to watch though and also would love to have him on a team I'm more invested in.

 

[phanphare]

I think he means, you're a dual-threat QB whose job it is to get first downs by running or passing. You don't need to celebrate after each one.

And I get that to some extent, but if the other team doesn't want him to celebrate, stop him.

he typically only does the first down dab if he rushes for it himself

 

[atr0cious]

I think Cam's haters can take solace in the fact that in a couple decades, not only will you not remember these games save a play or two, Cam won't either.

 

[dave is ok]

When you cheat...

It's amazing he's cheated his way to a winning season 14 times and no one has stopped him or caught him yet

Truly the most prolific cheater of our time.

 

[Maxim726X]

When you cheat...

He was the most hated before Deflategate... Come on, now.

 

[neurosyphilis]

Look the NFL is majority black players I think it's like 80% black. The faces of the NFL are Brady, Watt, Gronk, Manning, Rodegers, and maybe the Bechkham Jr kid. When you're a black QB you're under a lot of unfair scrutiny. Can Mewton is a great guy and I get to talk to him once every year because every year he comes to my high school in Florida and they have like a athlete basket ball where some of the NFL players play a big game in my high school gym. Dude is really humble he makes sure to talk to all of us kids and get autographs and pictures with us. He is probably the nicest and most passionate guy in the league. The only thing is he's black, playing QB, and is having fun. Like some people were saying earlier when you're a black player you're not aloud to be good and have fun with it. I'm a Flroida fan and Cam Newton comes to my high school every year down here in Florida, so he's loved down here. Also being a Jags fan I'm supposed to dislike the Panthers because of that expansion rivalry, when they both came into the league together. That's actually supposedly the reason the Jaguar's logo tongue is colored to signal the Jag eating Panthers for lunch. I still can't hate him or the Panthers even though they always dominate us when we play each other. I love to watch him shit on the Bucs and Falcons though, lol.

 

[Bubba T]

sounds like racism

That's prejudice, not racism.

 

[andycapps]

he typically only does the first down dab if he rushes for it himself

I know. Speaking of which, I really hope everyone moves on from the dab after this season.

 

[The Beard]

Because his teeth are too goddamn beautiful.

 

[Maddness]

For the record I hope Cam dabs, tootsie rolls, Charlestons, nae naes, wobbles, twerks, harlem shakes, achy breaky hearts, dougies, walks like an egyption, carlton dances every first down this weekend.

 

[phanphare]

I know. Speaking of which, I really hope everyone moves on from the dab after this season.

you and me both lol

 

[Schryver]

I dislike the stupid touchdown dances and showboating that any player does but most of all the ones that Cam does

 

[abolisher6812]

I only hate Cam when he plays the Jaguars.

 

[The Albatross]

Avery Williamson is a racist

 

[Frozenprince]

People don't criticize Rivers (who is as big of a shit-talking asshole as there is, and as a Chargers fan I love guy) because Rivers has never been as good as Cam is right now.

Did 2009 not happen? Did I just die and imagine it?

 

[reelbigtink]

It's because he went to Auburn.

This is my reason. Other than that I think he's a pretty cool dude.

 

[Frozenprince]

Avery Williamson is a racist

Yes, because obviously a competitor on the field shoving and screaming at a guy means there aren't a not insignificant number of racists that dislike him cause he's black.

=/=

 

[phanphare]

http://i.imgur.com/KkgN4IA.gif

Avery Williamson is a racist

nah just a salty hypocrite

http://thebiglead.com/2015/11/15/avery-williamson-titans-hotline-bling/

(that happened before Cam's celebration)

 

[neurosyphilis]

I only hate Cam when he plays the Jaguars.

As a Jags fan myself, I still can't hate him. Even though he owns us every time. I know as Jags fan we're are supposed to despise the Panthers, but as long as they have Cam Newton at QB I could never. Nice to see a fellow Jags fan though, not to often I see that online.

 

[The Albatross]

Yes, because obviously a competitor on the field shoving and screaming at a guy means there aren't a not insignificant number of racists that dislike him cause he's black.

=/=

Never said there weren't racist people who dislike Newton because he's black -- I'm sure there's tons of racists who dislike him and a bunch of other black players.

But the prevailing theme in this thread and others about Newton is that anybody who dislikes Newton dislikes him because he's black. I used to be a big Newton and Panthers fan till this season. The mix of them being the best team in the NFL, the incessant celebrating, and that they're the media darlings of the NFL has pushed me over to the other side of disliking them.

 

[LJ11]

Same reason they hated him while he was at Auburn, and were 100% certain he would fail in the NFL do to "poor mechanics."

He's one of the most dominate players whenever he steps out on the field, and he's not even that good yet, he may never reach his best, and that's insane when you think about it.

I think Cam's haters can take solace in the fact that in a couple decades, not only will you not remember these games save a play or two, Cam won't either.

I shouldn't have laughed, but I did.

 

[PatzCU]

The Cam Newton hate is being inappropriately blown up into a story about racism because it makes great material for the media. Is this ACTUALLY what the majority of people think? Do we have real evidence of this other than quoting some racist FB/twitter posts by users that will be derogatory to any successful, or not, black people?

OR is this sensationalist, controversial banter from the media about a complete non-issue? A reporter can hunt down all kinds of posts on social media and spin them into whatever story they please. It's too easy to take the typical hate against an immensely talented, black QB in the NFL and turn it into a story about racism. Hence we now have editorials about racism in the NFL coming out of every news outlet.

Hating on talented players in the NFL, especially QBs, is nothing new. I can rattle several off the top of my head; Tom Brady, Jay Cutler, Ben Roethlisberger. These are white QBs who have bad reputations for all kinds of things including running up the score, excessive celebration, cheating, "bad attitude" and rape. It was never about race when people hated these QBs for the above and it shouldn't be about race when we hate on another talented QB, Cam Newton, for being animated, celebratory and cocky.

This is a total non-issue being spun into a racism story that no one asked for.

 

[Frozenprince]

Never said there weren't racist people who dislike Newton because he's black -- I'm sure there's tons of racists who dislike him and a bunch of other black players.

But the prevailing theme in this thread and others about Newton is that anybody who dislikes Newton dislikes him because he's black.

No, the prevailing opinion is that he gets more scrutiny and backlash in the public eye, because he's black. This is a fact that's pretty fucking hard to ignore.

People brushing off the racism as nothing are not helping the fact that sports in general are still overwhelmingly racist and prejudiced. And I say this as someone who's played baseball my entire life.

 

[phanphare]

Never said there weren't racist people who dislike Newton because he's black -- I'm sure there's tons of racists who dislike him and a bunch of other black players.

But the prevailing theme in this thread and others about Newton is that anybody who dislikes Newton dislikes him because he's black.

nah I think the prevailing theme in the thread isn't that anybody who dislikes Cam is a racist, it's that these discussions happen as frequently as they do and go on for as long as they do because of race. you're not automatically racist for disliking Cam, it's just that a lot of people dislike Cam for racially motivated reasons and the narrative surrounding Cam is also racially motivated.

 

[Apathy]

How have other black quarterbacks been seen by people? I know social media makes it really easy for racists to come out of the woodwork and maybe there haven't been any since shit like Twitter blew up. Were people like this against McNabb?

 

[vikki]

I always liked Cam Newton until this season. I dislike him now because it's a mix of his preening and the Panther's success. There's something about a preening successful player who celebrates himself so much that I dislike.

Never had that problem with Newton before because the Panthers weren't as successful. The mix of the Panther's success, the excessive preening and self-congratulations of the team, plus the huge amounts of camera time that Newton and the Panthers have gotten has transitioned them from one of my favorite teams over the last 3 or 4 years to one of my, generally, least favorite teams.

Also, I dislike other people who preen and hate how everybody is pretending anybody disliking Newton is a double standard because Newton is black. I dislike JJ Watt especially after Hard Knocks was basically dedicated to him, I loath Johnny Football. If you don't think people hate JJ Watt or Johnny Football (esp in college), or any other successful, self-congratulatory player then you've come up with the narrative without looking at reality. I disliked Aaron Rodgers with the stupid title belt celebration and thank god he's stopped doing that.

As much as I enjoy your input, he seems to be having a lot of fun and it doesn't exactly come across as being completely narcissistic to me. I'm happy Cam is doing well, I thought he had the skills to be a really good hybrid QB coming out of college. Unlike someone like Tebow or RGIII. Hes gotta celebrate while he can, who knows how long his team will be good?

 

[LJ11]

And as mentioned repeatedly, most NFL fans loathe the fuck out of Brady, Cam has a long way to go.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

Cam embraces a culture that while profitable and mainstream, isn't considered to dignified. That's my take on it. It makes certain people uncomfortable and it isn't their vision of what a leader should be.

Same with Rhonda for me. I think trash talking and cockiness does well for a mainstream audience and does well with MMA culture. But I found her cockiness to be distasteful.

 

[The Albatross]

No, the prevailing opinion is that he gets more scrutiny and backlash in the public eye, because he's black. This is a fact that's pretty fucking hard to ignore.

Nah, that's a reasonable argument that nobody would take issue with.

But the OP asks "Why do people hate Cam newton" and very few people say that, where as a plurality of people say "Because you're racist."

It's because he's black playing a typically white position.

He's black but more importantly he doesn't know his place. Ideally black people should be neither seen or heard.

I'm sure him being black, successful and cocky in a typically white position definitely rustles some jimmies.

The color of his skin.

Rhymes with sack. Something which rarely happens to Cam, by the way

Also because he's not a vanilla wafer out on the field like PFM, Eli, and Brady

He's big, he's black, and that's scary to some people. [...] Most hatred is tied in to Racism.

This is just half of the first page. I'm sure if a prevailing opinion can be gleaned from the other 5 pages in this thread, it'd be similar.

The prevailing opinion is absolutely not what you wrote, which I agree with. The prevailing opinion is that if you dislike Cam Newton and his antics this season then you're racist.

 

[serikson45]

No, the prevailing opinion is that he gets more scrutiny and backlash in the public eye, because he's black. This is a fact that's pretty fucking hard to ignore.

People brushing off the racism as nothing are not helping the fact that sports in general are still overwhelmingly racist and prejudiced. And I say this as someone who's played baseball my entire life.

He is getting far more scrutiny this year because he is the quarterback of the best team in the NFL. He didn't get a fraction of the coverage when the Panthers stunk it up and he was showboating after every first down.

 

[Frozenprince]

He is getting far more scrutiny this year because he is the quarterback of the best team in the NFL. He didn't get a fraction of the coverage when the Panthers stunk it up and he was showboat in after every first down.

Did I just hallucinate the constant bitching and hand wringing about the towel on the head shit then? That was an angle every sports network and talk radio show ran with for weeks.

 

[Miracle]

It's because he's the sexiest QB in the NFL.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=IlfkamMNNbo

And people are jelly.

 

[The Beard]

Never said there weren't racist people who dislike Newton because he's black -- I'm sure there's tons of racists who dislike him and a bunch of other black players.

But the prevailing theme in this thread and others about Newton is that anybody who dislikes Newton dislikes him because he's black. I used to be a big Newton and Panthers fan till this season. The mix of them being the best team in the NFL, the incessant celebrating, and that they're the media darlings of the NFL has pushed me over to the other side of disliking them.

Agreed. Celebrating after every first down has more to do with it than just straight up racism. There are most definitely people that don't like Cam because he's black, but they are far outnumbered by people that hate overly cocky athletes.

Why do people hate Tom Brady?

Can you imagine how much more people would hate Tom Brady if he danced after every first down?

 

[Absinthe]

No, the prevailing opinion is that he gets more scrutiny and backlash in the public eye, because he's black. This is a fact that's pretty fucking hard to ignore.

People brushing off the racism as nothing are not helping the fact that sports in general are still overwhelmingly racist and prejudiced. And I say this as someone who's played baseball my entire life.

I'm not trying to take anything away from your personal experience but overwhelmingly? I don't buy it. And I'm not trying to brush it off, I just don't see it. (Maybe I'm ignorant to the facts)

There are plenty of racist people of all ethnicity but your assertion that current sports is overwhelmingly racist and prejudiced is unfounded. Personal experience aside, do you have any facts to back that up?

Agreed. Celebrating after every first down has more to do with it than just straight up racism. There are most definitely people that don't like Cam because he's black, but they are far outnumbered by people that hate overly cocky athletes.

Why do people hate Tom Brady?

Can you imagine how much more people would hate Tom Brady if he danced after every first down?

Tom Brady is white and only non-white people hate him /s

 

[Pop]

This is a very tiny portion who hate him. But then again, I'm sure all NFL players have haters. Its just going to happen. I bet Tom Brady has more haters than Cam.

 

[Lionel Richie]

And as mentioned repeatedly, most NFL fans loathe the fuck out of Brady, Cam has a long way to go.

Tom Brady is a notorious cheating scumbag who throws tantrums when things don't go his way. Cam Newton might celebrate too hard. I'm not sure why it's a contest.

If you wanna talk about hateable QBs, for me the only logical answer is Russell Wilson. He bangs Ciara and I don't. Fuck that guy.

 

[The Albatross]

This is a very tiny portion who hate him. But then again, I'm sure all NFL players have haters. Its just going to happen. I bet Tom Brady has more haters than Cam.

Brady absolutely has more haters, and hell, one of them is the Commissioner of the NFL. I couldn't even imagine the hate for Brady if he celebrated after every accomplishment, large or small.

Tom Brady is a notorious cheating scumbag who throws tantrums when things don't go his way. Cam Newton might celebrate too hard. I'm not sure why it's a contest.

If you wanna talk about hateable QBs, for me the only logical answer is Russell Wilson. He bangs Ciara and I don't. Fuck that guy.

Didn't Wilson take a born-again-virginity pledge with Ciara? That makes it even worse.

 

[LJ11]

I'd like to believe people hate Cam because the dude can throw with no leverage/legs and still deliver a 40 yard strike. He's a freak show, has all the physical gifts, and isn't anywhere near his peak if you ask me. Oh, and he's cocky as fuck. I love it.

A week or so ago, Mech mentioned in the NFL thread that he hated the read option. Not sure why, but he's not the only one. They think power run with the QB is a gimmick, NFL fans are resistant to change. They hate that their game is morphing into the spread no huddle Offense they termed garbage when they tuned in for a minute or two on a typical Saturday afternoon/evening.

Cam represents that change, so does Wilson for that matter and many find his game overrated as well, just go back and bump the contract thread that was posted in the OT back in the summer, but Cam is the pinnacle. A physical specimen like no other.

Tom Brady is a notorious cheating scumbag who throws tantrums when things don't go his way. Cam Newton might celebrate too hard. I'm not sure why it's a contest.

If you wanna talk about hateable QBs, for me the only logical answer is Russell Wilson. He bangs Ciara and I don't. Fuck that guy.

Here we go with the Wilson hate again...

 

[andycapps]

Tom Brady is a notorious cheating scumbag who throws tantrums when things don't go his way. Cam Newton might celebrate too hard. I'm not sure why it's a contest.

If you wanna talk about hateable QBs, for me the only logical answer is Russell Wilson. He bangs Ciara and I don't. Fuck that guy.

But Wilson may be one of the nicest dudes in the league. Though that smart water thing he was pushing was dumb.

 

[kaiju]

Because his teeth are too goddamn beautiful.

Close, but actually it's his devilish smile. That's why people hate on Cam.

He won me over by wearing this Adventure Time hoodie though:

Haha Cam is cool man. Definitely cooler than Kap.

 

[anotherVegan]

I just wish he would have stayed at Florida instead of chunking stolen laptops out of his window. My Gators haven't had a quarterback since Tebow.

 

[Boston]

Please link me to a reputable source that says the term "vanilla wafer" is a derogatory term towards my race and then I'll apologize.

It might not be on the books, but if I started making up derogatory names (that are already close) to call black people, then there would be a problem.

I just hate double standards. Much like what is going on with Cam.

 

[Caja 117]

Agreed. Celebrating after every first down has more to do with it than just straight up racism. There are most definitely people that don't like Cam because he's black, but they are far outnumbered by people that hate overly cocky athletes.

Why do people hate Tom Brady?

Can you imagine how much more people would hate Tom Brady if he danced after every first down?

I just pictured Brady doing that dance he does spectating a Soccer match...LoL.

 

[Lionel Richie]

But Wilson may be one of the nicest dudes in the league. Though that smart water thing he was pushing was dumb.

Here we go with the Wilson hate again...

I was kidding, no Wilson hate here.

Didn't Wilson take a born-again-virginity pledge with Ciara? That makes it even worse.

Scratch that, there's a lot of Wilson hate here.

I hope for his own health that it's just for the media and he doesn't actually do that.

 

[Kevtones]

Well he earned the nickname Scam when all that shady shit went down at Auburn.

 

[PeterLegend]

A girl at my work hopes he gets knocked down a few times lol because he lacks humility.

 

[LionPride]

If Cam was white people wouldn't care. People wouldn't continue to bring up what happened in college. People wouldn't care about him dabbin and so on. Black QBs are supposed to be mobile only with a rocket arm who are seen and not heard. Hell, barely even seen.

Panthers win the Super Bowl next week, so. Many. Thinkpieces.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

It's because he's black playing a typically white position.

Not just that but he ain't humble. He keep it real. He dance. He cocky. Alot of fans and pundits like their Black men humble. Fuck that.

 

[Dr.Acula]

Jason Whitlock had an interesting take on this that the media and people in general are framing it as racism without feeling like they have to prove there's a serious undercurrent of racism in order to create a controversy and I was inclined to think what he was saying had merit.

"We had Russell Wilson play Peyton Manning just two years ago in the Super Bowl. Russell Wilson is black. Somehow it didn’t evolve into some low hanging fruit race discussion. We had Donovan McNabb in the Super Bowl and he was expressive in the way he played and did a Michael Jackson dance occasionally. Donovan McNabb, not the most popular quarterback and he embraced the moment and talked about it, but that didn’t evolve into this race-bait discussion. What has happened is the media has moved and changed. The media has gone all in on racial debate discussions that are divisive for clicks and ratings. So, the media is driving all of this.”

As a minority myself, I'm not trying to argue racism is dead in America or anything but I don't think just saying "because he's black QED" is a sufficient explanation. I don't even think people hate Cam Newton at all. I think a lot of is the media saying "this is controversial" in order to spur that conversation.

As a Canadian without cable-TV, I am only slightly aware of how Cam Newton is being perceived, and it's not moving the needle like Michael Vick did. I was generally aware that cam was "hated" but only insofar any well performing athlete that dominates competition is "hated." Mostly by rivals and in an unserious way. The only active QBs I know of being loathed are Brady (cheating), Rothlisberger (rape), and Johnny Football (all that shit). So yes, maybe this Cam stuff is being pushed by media, because as someone not regularly exposed to American sports media, Cam just isn't on my radar.