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[Cagey]

Same reason they hated him while he was at Auburn, and were 100% certain he would fail in the NFL do to "poor mechanics."

He's one of the most dominate players whenever he steps out on the field, and he's not even that good yet, he may never reach his best, and that's insane when you think about it.

Cam isn't a technician/anticipation thrower, he's a sight thrower. He's more Favre/Cutler than Peyton/Pennington. It shows in his accuracy, not just completion percentage overall but his completion percentage based on distance and area of the field.

If he can evolve his game a bit more, with his physical talent to make sight throws, that'd be terrifying.

 

[andycapps]

If Cam was white people wouldn't care. People wouldn't continue to bring up what happened in college. People wouldn't care about him dabbin and so on. Black QBs are supposed to be mobile only with a rocket arm who are seen and not heard. Hell, barely even seen.

Panthers win the Super Bowl next week, so. Many. Thinkpieces.

I still hate Peyton Manning because he was at Tennessee. I don't know about everybody else's motivations are in this thread, but I'm very consistent in my hatred of players from opposing CFB teams. And Tebow is just the worst because he's a Gata.

 

[Spinluck]

I like when Cam does the dab.

 

[LJ11]

Lionel Richie, I know your kidding bud.

Cam isn't a technician/anticipation thrower, he's a sight thrower. He's more Favre/Cutler than Peyton/Pennington. It shows in his accuracy, not just completion percentage overall but his completion percentage based on distance and area of the field.

If he can evolve his game a bit more, with his physical talent to make sight throws, that'd be terrifying.

Yeah, he still has remove for improvement. To his credit though, his supporting cast has been balls, but that may be turning around. They were smart in building up that D, and now they're adding pieces around Cam.

 

[Sulik2]

People dislike showboating and they dislike black people. Combine the two and you get a dislike of Cam Newton.

 

[kaiju]

"Whatever you do, have fun." - Cam Newton

Words to live by.

 

[Cagey]

Lionel Richie, I know your kidding bud.



Yeah, he still has remove for improvement. To his credit though, his supporting cast has been balls, but that may be turning around. They were smart in building up that D, and now they're adding pieces around Cam.

Definitely. What he's doing this year with a supporting cast of replacement-level bums and one guy with one positive trait (Ginn run fast, catch bad) at wide receiver, and what I see as a halfway decent running back in Jonathan Stewart, is incredible.

Greg Olsen is a boss, of course, but most great teams will have a beast receiving options and at least passable alternatives. Cam doesn't have the latter.

 

[karmaforgotme]

I still hate Peyton Manning because he was at Tennessee. I don't know about everybody else's motivations are in this thread, but I'm very consistent in my hatred of players from opposing CFB teams. And Tebow is just the worst because he's a Gata.

This. People under estimate how hardcore college fans are. I live in Knoxville, and despite use being between Nashville and Charlotte, guess what? Everyone here is a Broncos fans since March 20, 2012. Before that everyone here was a Colts fan.

Also as a Tennessee fan there is no player I hate more than Tebow.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

"Whatever you do, have fun." - Cam Newton

Words to live by.

 

[The Beard]

People dislike showboating and they dislike black people. Combine the two and you get a dislike of Cam Newton.

Some people dislike showboating. Some people dislike black people. Some people dislike both.

Most people don't like Cam because he's an over the top showboat and he's on top of the world right now. People love to hate on winners i.e. Tom Brady.

I don't like showboats. Cam's act get old extremely fast. I love how he gives touchdown balls to kids despite the $10k fine (or whatever it is). So, the good outweighs the bad for me.

 

[DrGonzo615]

QB has generally been played by pretty reserved guys so thats what people expect. The level headed leader of the team. When you get a guy like Cam out there, it totally flips all that.

Spoiler

Plus people are salty that he beat their team and had fun doing it.

Im sure for some people its partially got something to do with race as well but how can you really watch football if you hate black people? The league has gotta be like 60-70% black players.

I like Cam Newton, its good to see someone out there who looks like they are actually enjoying playing a GAME.

 

[Anfang]

Hate the celebrating he does after every small play. Save that shit for big conversions and tds. If he ever mellowed out on that id be on the cam train for sure.

 

[cbrun44]

I still hate Peyton Manning because he was at Tennessee. I don't know about everybody else's motivations are in this thread, but I'm very consistent in my hatred of players from opposing CFB teams. And Tebow is just the worst because he's a Gata.

Damn straight. If you are a rival, I will hate you forever. Cam will always be an Auburn Tiger to me.

 

[Mediking]

He's black. Lots of people like their black athletes to be seen and not heard. When they show off, it's a sign of cockiness, when a white player shows off he's just having fun.

EXACTLY.

 

[Line_HTX]

Cam knows what it's like to have fun. His detractors are just jealous that he can have fun as a quarterback plus he is a dual threat as a QB with both his arms and his legs. I hope he dabs in front of hundreds of millions of viewers plus whoever watches the game online.

JJ Watt does kind of suck

You whut mate? How does he kind of suck?

 

[Anfang]

He's black. Lots of people like their black athletes to be seen and not heard. When they show off, it's a sign of cockiness, when a white player shows off he's just having fun.

My hate of Edelman constantly doing this disagrees

 

[Ninja Scooter]

JJ Watt is a cornball brother.

 

[LyleLanley]

JJ Watt is the worst. I want more hot takes about how he is a bad influence for our children.

 

[Line_HTX]

I don't know what y'all talkin' about.

 

[Ragnaros]

EXACTLY.

Listen, there's dozens of reasons why someone may not like another person. That isn't some catch all.

And this topic is brought to you by ESPN and sports media, creator of obscene headlines. People don't hate Cam to the extent that they want you to believe. If they dislike him it's for his attitude and not the color of his skin for 99% of the cases.

There's also his scandal in college, his training up to be a well-liked person (listen Cam, you want the endorsements!? Well, say this and do that from now on!), his fashion sense...

That being said I love a player with personality. I wish there were more players like Cam. Instead the media jumps on him with this shady third party mentality of, "America doesn't like Cam because he's black."

 

[PeskyToaster]

I dunno, watching the Panthers play has been super fun this season in no small part because of Cam. I think celebrations are great though. Gets in the heads of the other team. Great psychological tool.

 

[CraigerGamer]

Because had he not gotten kicked out of school, he would have brought the University of Florida two more National Titles. Instead the crystal trophy went to Auburn.

The year after Tebow graduates, imagine Cam paired up with Urban Meyer? Could have been the greatest 5 year Dynasty outside of Tuscaloosa.

 

[CitizenCope]

I mostly hate him because he's not Tom Brady.
People can't wait to say it's because he's black. I'm pretty sure defenders hate his antics and would love to beat the shit out of him. Hey stop him and shut him up but until then they will hate what they can't stop.

 

[hermit7]

You must be really annoyed by JJ Watt then.

There is a difference though when a defensive player might make 5 impact plays a game compared to a qb who is in for every offensive play with the ball.

I dislike the panthers more than an individual this year though. With the whole picture taking of the team. I think if is shitty sportsmanship.

 

[andycapps]

Damn straight. If you are a rival, I will hate you forever. Cam will always be an Auburn Tiger to me.

Go Dawgs! Stop by the CFB thread in community sometime.

Also, Cam is kind of the worst of the worst because he's a former Gata turned Auburn Tiger. That said, he's still fun to watch as long as he's not doing it in college anymore and he's not playing the Falcons.

 

[Juicy Bob]

I can't wait for the salt from the minority of fans after Newton gets MVP on Sunday

 

[SummitAve]

I dunno, watching the Panthers play has been super fun this season in no small part because of Cam. I think celebrations are great though. Gets in the heads of the other team. Great psychological tool.

Are all celebrations great? Even the choreographed ones that are planned out and practiced beforehand? I think celebrations that are the result of a player being overcome by emotion in the moment are great, the kind that can't be rehearsed.

 

[CitizenCope]

I can't wait for the salt from the minority of fans after Newton gets MVP on Sunday

No matter who wins I've got my salt ready, actually I'm already pouring it. I hate these two QB's where I have no hate for Eli who beat the Pats twice. This is going to be rough.

 

[platocplx]

I think there are many reasons.

One of them is that he does make some people uncomfortable.

Others they say hes boisterous, cocky or whatever when the guy so far has won at every level JUCO, NCAA and possibly the ultimate win in the NFL.

Some people hate the culture he embodies which is closely intertwined with one part of blackness not all parts of it but just one part of it.

Some people hate him just solely because he is black.

Others may have that kinda hate that they have for great players who arent on their team.

Some may hate because they CANT do what hes doing socially and athletically.

However the most reoccurring theme is peoples "sensibilities" in a twist because they think a QB is supposed to Act a certain way when being a leader can be very different and honestly there isnt anyone really you can compare him to possibly like a Joe Namath type of being flashy etc.

However seeing more about his life and his triumphs and mistakes hes living and playing a game that he knows has a finite clock where the next hit could be the end. So he chooses to have fun, be proud and be able to celebrate in the moment rather than just looking back later in life and maybe smirk a bit at how his career went.

I love what hes doing and i think in a league full of hypocrisy and "No Fun" hes a breath of fresh air.

 

[mre]

Fuck Cam Newton and fuck Peyton Manning. I hate both quarterbacks get knocked out of the game.

 

[phanphare]

You whut mate? How does he kind of suck?

yeah you're right, I shouldn't have said "kind of"

 

[The Albatross]

Are all celebrations great? Even the choreographed ones that are planned out and practiced beforehand? I think celebrations that are the result of a player being overcome by emotion in the moment are great, the kind that can't be rehearsed.

Yes, this. Watt's insufferable choreographed dances after sacks (the iphone one, his stupid 'combine every dance' thing), the Panther's team choreographed celebrations, etc.

This is my favorite celebration this year:

A guy completely caught up in the moment who makes a total goon of himself. Course, Stanton is a white goon so who knows, maybe shows my racism. But I hate Watt, Cam, and every other player's choreographed, rehearsed celebrations.

Or Chandler Jones after Butler's interception last year running down the field throwing his arms wildly into the air

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4d4u6iHPMY (far side of the field)

 

[Farsi]

I laugh at the overdramatic vocal minority who think Cam is hated because he's black. He's light skin with the looks of a supermodel with a smile that'll light up a room. He's also going up against one of the most beloved figures in sports who might have his final dance come Sunday.

1)He's great.
2)His swag is very unnatural.
3)Men are jealous because they can't relate.

Those I would say are the top 3. Cam will grow on people the more he performs.

 

[silvermember]

As a Canadian without cable-TV, I am only slightly aware of how Cam Newton is being perceived, and it's not moving the needle like Michael Vick did. I was generally aware that cam was "hated" but only insofar any well performing athlete that dominates competition is "hated." Mostly by rivals and in an unserious way. The only active QBs I know of being loathed are Brady (cheating), Rothlisberger (rape), and Johnny Football (all that shit). So yes, maybe this Cam stuff is being pushed by media, because as someone not regularly exposed to American sports media, Cam just isn't on my radar.

it is nice to have an opinion of a topic you don't seem particularly knowledgeable about.

It is nice you aware of all those issues and you know why? Big Ben's alleged crime is a BIG felony and so is Tom's alleged cheating since the Patriots have a history and since deflatedgate supposedly changed the outcome of a game. The reason you probably heard about it is because these were long term stories in the media and anybody living under a rock like you with some interest in the NFL would probably heard about.

The point being ignorance is not an excuse and just because you choose to live under a rock doesn't mean something is not happening. People hating on Cam is probably not a big enough story since the majority of NFL fans are white NOT black. It probably happens for only a couple of day and two and goes away.

The sad thing about this is that big Ben probably never got an angry letter telling him how much of a bad role model he is to her kid. Which in Big Ben's case would be well deserved, allegedly.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

JJ Watt is a cornball brother.

LOL

 

[Sch1sm]

:dab:

Every reason for people to hate Cam Newton outside of sports rivalry is baseless, and probably motivated by some serious isms.

 

[Hoho for breakfast]

I'm conflicted. I don't like him at all because he's an overly cocky show off. I do like him because he's a very good player and...gives his balls to the kids? I don't know how to word that without sounding terrible, but it is a good thing in this case.

Also wtf at all the "because he's black" type answers. Seriously? Or is there a joke I'm missing?

 

[Ninja Scooter]

I'm conflicted. I don't like him at all because he's an overly cocky show off. I do like him because he's a very good player and...gives his balls to the kids? I don't know how to word that without sounding terrible, but it is a good thing in this case.

Also wtf at all the "because he's black" type answers. Seriously? Or is there a joke I'm missing?

You're right. Racism is over and certainly not the reason for people's perception of a high profile minority to be colored in some way. It's not like when Obama won the presidency just 4 years ago twitter blew up with n-words and monkey jokes just 4 years ago. Nope. That doesn't exist.

 

[Dr.Acula]

it is nice to have an opinion of a topic you don't seem particularly knowledgeable about.

The point being ignorance is not an excuse and just because you choose to live under a rock doesn't mean something is not happening. People hating on Cam is probably not a big enough story since the majority of NFL fans are white NOT black. It probably happens for only a couple of day and two and goes away.

How much of the backlash on Cam exists beyond the 24/7 sports media echo-chamber? Whitlock says that this may be media driven as he said there wasn't the same kind of narrative over McNabb or Wilson.

So the question is, is this really about America not being ready for black QBs, or is this shitty sports media trying to push a story for ratings? Part of my litmus for that is that does a sports story jump that gap from sports media to main stream media. Vick, Rothlisberger, etc. all jumped over, but this Cam stuff just simply isn't, at least into Canadian news media.

 

[spyder_ur]

I kind of disagree with the premise given what Albatross has already said. Who hates Cam Newton besides a couple of pissy letter-writers, the type of people who hate everybody? I just don't see it talking to other sports fan.

This season (at least after Pats/Deflategate died down) has been basically all about Cam, and he's earned every bit of it.

The only thing I find a little mockable is giving away the footballs, getting a bit old. Rich kids in Charlotte doing pretty well this year. But getting too upset about giving footballs to kids is a bit too 'old guy yells at cloud' for me, so whatever.

 

[The Beard]

I'm conflicted. I don't like him at all because he's an overly cocky show off. I do like him because he's a very good player and...gives his balls to the kids? I don't know how to word that without sounding terrible, but it is a good thing in this case.

Also wtf at all the "because he's black" type answers. Seriously? Or is there a joke I'm missing?

You could've said, he gives touchdown balls to kids. Or he gives footballs to kids. Lol it's not hard to make it not sound creepy.

There are two extremes which are equally ridiculous.

Those that think nobody dislikes Cam simply because he's black.

Those that think if you dislike Cam it's because you're racist.

 

[Smokey]

He's a black QB that is leading the best team in football. He's going to be MVP. He smiles. He dresses nice. He dances. He's doing it all while winning and playing at a high level. Basically seen as a threat to most white armchair Qbs.

The "I can't quite put my finger on why I don't like him" expression is code for "I can't stand this dude and his culture".

 

[Hoho for breakfast]

You're right. Racism is over and certainly not the reason for people's perception of a high profile minority to be colored in some way. It's not like when Obama won the presidency just 4 years ago twitter blew up with n-words and monkey jokes just 4 years ago. Nope. That doesn't exist.

Is that what you get out of what I said? Was there an issue with other great black football players in recent times? Of course some people won't like him because he's black. But that's not the reason over all. It's like saying people don't like Manziel because he's white. Or OJ Simpson because he's black. Do we have a thread titled why do people hate Denzel Washington? Hmm I wonder why not? It's because the color of the skin just isn't the reason.

 

[Two Words]

I always liked Cam Newton until this season. I dislike him now because it's a mix of his preening and the Panther's success. There's something about a preening successful player who celebrates himself so much that I dislike.

Never had that problem with Newton before because the Panthers weren't as successful. The mix of the Panther's success, the excessive preening and self-congratulations of the team, plus the huge amounts of camera time that Newton and the Panthers have gotten has transitioned them from one of my favorite teams over the last 3 or 4 years to one of my, generally, least favorite teams.

Also, I dislike other people who preen and hate how everybody is pretending anybody disliking Newton is a double standard because Newton is black. I dislike JJ Watt especially after Hard Knocks was basically dedicated to him, I loath Johnny Football. If you don't think people hate JJ Watt or Johnny Football (esp in college), or any other successful, self-congratulatory player then you've come up with the narrative without looking at reality. I disliked Aaron Rodgers with the stupid title belt celebration and thank god he's stopped doing that.

Gotta say man, you sound like a hater.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Is that what you get out of what I said? Was there an issue with other great black football players? It's like saying people don't like Manziel because he's white. Or OJ Simpson because he's black. Do we have a thread titled why do people hate Denzel Washington? Hmm I wonder why not? It's because the color of the skin just isn't the reason.

So what exactly are you trying to say? That racism doesn't exist because it doesn't affect everyone equally? Are you going to deny that a lot of the criticism Barack Obama has received is racially motivated? Why? Because Denzel or Will Smith don't get it the same?

And again I ask, the fact that Manziel seems to be people's go to for "See people dislike white QBs too!" sort of makes the point that these guys are being held to completely different standards.

 

[Farsi]

He dresses nice.

brb dying

 

[phanphare]

Gotta say man, you sound like a hater.

I think albatross is admitting that he/she is a hater

 

[Lothars]

I don't like him at all because he's an overly cocky show off.

That's why I am not a fan of him. He would be way better to watch if he wasn't so cocky.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

That's why I am not a fan of him. He would be way better to watch if he wasn't so cocky.

You mean confident? Being authentic?

 

[smokeandmirrors]

Camvp is having fun. people hate seeing others have fun.