Why do people hate Cam Newton?
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Zen_Arcade
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Sure, none of them do. But when you have a reputation of being a cocky winner and a sore loser, doing exactly what a sore loser would do is only going to add to the legend that you're a sore loser. It was his perfect opportunity to not be a sore loser and he blew it.
Now you're going to say "Cam doesn't care what people think. He doesn't care if people think he's a sore loser." Which is where people get the opinion that he's lacking in maturity. "I don't need to change anything about me. Anyone who doesn't like my negative traits can just deal with it." makes him sound like a teenager.
It shouldn't be a wonder why some people don't particularly like the cocky athlete who acknowledges that he has flaws, but doesn't have any interest in changing his behavior. He sounds like a cliched teenager in a high school drama. You could probably find that exact character description on TVTropes it's been used so many times for the bad guy in media.
ryutaro's mama
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People slammed him for that too and it was equally mystifying.Marshawn not talking to the press had ZERO impact on my SB experiences those years.
The press feels slighted and they try to align public opinion wit theirs. It's corny af.
When you're a 26 year old millionaire getting to do what you love to do for your job and have plenty of fans along with haters, then you'll understand how little he should care about those that complain about him celebrating or being a sore loser. The guy has too much going on to care about that.
I'd question why you care so much about why people care? Your copious number of posts on this thread is evidence of that. Of course you're the one throwing around words like 'suspect' etc in regards to peoples motivations on the subject, so I'd suggest the lady doth protest too much.
Zen_Arcade
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The mentality that you shouldn't care about what other people think because you're on top of the world is pretty immature in itself.
Which by the way, is pretty selective. I'm sure Cam cares a lot about the people who are willing to praise him. He's always given the impression that he cares about the fans in Carolina cheering him on. It's not like he doesn't care about anyone's opinion. He selectively doesn't care about the opinion of people who disagree with his actions. Which is essentially sticking your fingers in your ears and going "LALALALA". Which again, is how kids react to criticism.
Goro Majima
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The fans, media, and sponsors all want to hear from players (you know, the people who pay for the product). Sure their responses are canned 95% of the time but that's because that kind of talk has been refined down to an art of playing it safe.
The NFL understands that the demand is there for it which is why they require their players to talk to the media. It's all about selling the brand.
If Cam goes in there after the Super Bowl and gives a boring response, do the Carolina Panthers sell more or less Cam Newton jerseys, season tickets, merchandise, etc. etc. than if he walks out of an interview and all of sports media is talking about it the next day? Is Cam more or less likely to retain or obtain new sponsorships based on his behavior? Die hards will buy whatever but your casual on the line fans are far more fickle.
It's bad enough for business as it is for the Panthers to lose the Super Bowl. It's even worse for them when people are talking about how big of a loser he is the very next day because of how he behaved in an interview.
Marshawn walked a different kind of line. He would give canned one word responses until someone asked him a non football related question and then he'd go on forever. It was kind of his schtick and I think people thought it was funny. What it didn't do was come across as poor sportsmanship or being a bad loser.
He showed his true colors by acting like a petulant child after the Super Bowl.
https://youtu.be/NjYqC9L9hZg
https://youtu.be/NjYqC9L9hZg
Again, comparing an alleged perennial cheater to a dancing smiling black man.
might want to look back a few years and see how peyton conducted himself in a loss
Dreams-Visions
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Yeah that looks like something only a Chinese acrobat should attempt.
Oh my. I was hoping he was going to say that he thought his arm went forward so the ball was dead. Or that he thought he heard a whistle calling the play a forward pass and dead.
To hear he was afraid of anything...at that point in the game...
....that's some #bitchassness and I'm sorry, but he deserves all the flack he's getting.
serikson45
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You frame Cam Newton like he is God's gift to the world and no one has any reason to dislike him. That is ironically probably how he thinks of himself.
ryutaro's mama
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I doubt Cam being short with the media will have any real impact on Carolina ticket sales. People who didn't like him will have the bias confirmed and the people that live in Charlotte will continue to go to games, cheer and dab and adopt an "us against the world" mentality.
It won't matter any more to attendance than the Patriots losing two SBs or Denver getting crushed by Seattle mattered to theirs.
He would have been better off just saying "Look, I had a brain fart. I don't know what I was thinking." That would have been better than "I consciously chose not to dive on a loose ball in the 4th quarter of the Super Bowl bc I might get hurt." That's worse than Donovan McNabb puking.
Skellig Gra
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Yeah...his explanation of why he didn't dive for the ball is pretty weak. If you are worried about getting hurt you are in the wrong profession.
Please quote me saying this. You sound like what I'm saying hits a little to close to home.
That's silly. I have no emotional or critical investment in that statement like others do about what I'm talking about.
Why worry about the nay-Sayers? You can't please everybody. I don't see that as immaturity. It's silly to expect him to care about what everybody thinks or else he's immature.
serikson45
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Oh please, you know what I mean. It's easy to frame anybody based on their positive or negative traits. You described Cam as a dancing, smiling black man. I can just as easily describe him as a cocky, immature, sore loser. Knock it off with the thinly veiled racism accusations aimed at anybody with a negative opinion of Cam.
Zen_Arcade
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Because sometimes the nay-sayers make good points. Sometimes criticisms are good things, and to sit there and discount them all is exactly how immature people act. Especially when you admit that those criticisms are accurate.
His mentality is essentially "Yeah I have flaws, but I'm not going to bother trying to improve myself in those areas. Anyone who doesn't like it can just deal with it."
That is the exact mentality teenagers have.
he's been on record that he doesn't dismiss all that stuff, however at the end of the day he doesn't care what the general public thinks. he cares about what his family, friends, teammates, coaches, etc. think. so he'll continue to improve and mature just not necessarily at the whims of the media at large, both the professional media and social media.
His flaws are celebrating hard when he's winning and being incredibly upset when losing the Super Bowl. Those aren't very bad flaws at all. It's silly to finger wag him for that when just about everybody has equivalent or worse traits.
my argument in no way "needed" hyperbole lol
in fact, that kind of defeats the purpose of hyperbole. it's not supposed to be taken literally
(this is still semantics)
Zen_Arcade
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That's fine. He can continue not caring what the general public thinks. That's exactly what makes him seem immature. He admits he has flaws and doesn't have any intention of changing himself. It would be one thing if he came out and deconstructed why people are wrong about him, but he doesn't. He just admits that he's a baby when things don't go his way and is fine with not growing out of it.
The whole point of this discussion is that most people in his position didn't react as badly as Cam did when he was there. That compounded with the fact that he has no problem being cocky when he wins and the combination makes the flaws worse. Seriously, you're acting like Cam isn't one of the biggest tropes in all of history. People have loved seeing the cocky guy slink away after a loss for decades.
Also, people having worse traits doesn't mean that you shouldn't criticize someone else. That's very reductive thinking.
I think the explanation that he basically made a business decision to protect himself is way worse than the press conference. I mean he has no problem launching himself into the air to score a touchdown in garbage time so he shouldn't hesitate to dig for that ball, rip it out, whatever it takes in the biggest game of his career.
Is that why you used hyperbole twice? You literally went "fine I won't use hyperbole" and the continued to use hyperbole.
It is not a semantic argument because I am saying hyperbole is being used to prop up your weak argument. I'm not arguing about your word choice just because I think it's the wrong words to use. I'm saying you selected them to give yourself an inflated argument and that you're unwilling to use a non-exaggerated argument.
Well la-dee-da
Lionel Richie
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Yeah that looks like something only a Chinese acrobat should attempt.
Holy shit this did not look like this live. I think at that point his body just gave up, he was taking a huge beating all game long and just couldn't take it anymore. Not saying he quit, just that he was exhausted. The Denver D played like animals feasting on him all night, that was a "you're not a wolf, and this is a land of wolves now" moment in real life. He just wanted to go home and threaten to shoot Benicio from the balcony.
Goddamn that's a great movie.
again, it's not much of an exaggeration to add "then he stomped on it" to a list of things newton Actually Did
you're nitpicking because his behavior is indefensible
Yes there is a huge different between removing a banner and removing a banner and stomping on it. What the hell. It's like you're incapable of sticking to facts.
rhetoric seems to have you baffled, but the scenario in which peyton manning desecrates the banners of opposing teams is not real. it is imaginary. i created it as a device where newton's behavior could be likened to the behavior of someone else, real or otherwise. because of this, peyton's behavior in this completely fake, made-up situation does NOT have to mirror the actions of cam newton In Real Life. it does not have to be factual. it just needs to be similar
hope this helps
No shit. I know this. I'm saying your made up situation is an exaggeration to what Cam actually did.
Lil'DigiOp
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This is what it looked like to me live...
Heres the problem with this. Cam deserves this flack honestly.
This wasn't SB 48 with one team getting whomped on.... Carolina for pretty much the entirety of the game was behind 1 TD + EP to at least tie the game. More than anything , Cam needed to recover that ball. It was a completely foolish move and Im not gonna say doomed the game because there was way to many mishaps that added to that (Missed field goal, punting on 3 yard conversions, that catch that was ruled incomplete... robbery by the way)
Regardless, any given time during that game Carolina could have scored and kept the heat up... They just failed because Bronco defense was monstrous but Cam not grabbing that ball was retarded. I mean Im pretty sure there was 3 mins when that happened. More than enough time to finish a drive a score.
I think people don't realize this game wasn't a blowout until the last 2 mins. Panthers were only behind a TD. Thats a very playable game.
my made-up situation does not deal with cam at all and therefore cannot exaggerate anything that cam ACTUALLY did. instead, it deals with what peyton manning could hypothetically have done
the two situations do not have to mirror one another exactly -- they just need to be similar enough to make a point
You're trying to show that Peyton would get slammed for doing that like Cam got slammed for doing what he actually did. Mirror them exactly if you want to make a point that do any depend on exaggeration. Its not hard and you shouldn't need to exaggerate if your point is solid on its own.
there is no need to mirror them exactly except to satisfy your weird nitpicking so i am not going to do so
If you want to compare results, keep it to a single variable. It's not weird nitpicking to add things like pissing on or stomping on banners. Your argument is weak if it can't go without it.
Locked Out
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I was actually comparing an accused cheater/adulterer to an accused cheater/thief. Nice attempt on your part to try and dismiss the legit issues people have had with Cam. Must be racism though.
Oh make no mistake, it's not thinly veiled at all. He's as opaque as you can be.
Uh no. His huge flaw has always been celebrating like an idiot when his team is losing.
Freshmaker
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Eh. Watching the post game interview, he answered the same question 10x, then left.
I don't think answering "What did Denver's defense do different?" another five times would've clinched anyone's legend of personal responsibility.
my argument can go without it
Losing that fumble and his excuse for not diving on it has got to haunt him for a long time. I don't care if he dabs or dances or pouts but quitting on a crucial play with the game still in reach in the biggest game of these guy's careers is going to be a tough one to shake. Thomas Davis played with a freakin' broken arm for pity's sake and Cam didn't want to risk getting hurt? It just blows my mind he said that.
ryutaro's mama
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I have no idea what thread you are reading.
Contextualizing someone's behavior =/= pity but maybe for you it is all the same.
Vicetrailia
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It's well known that you don't listen to faceless public negativity, unless it fuels your competitive nature. Otherwise endless and non-waivering doubters and verbal abuser awaits you. Noise on top of noise.
In 2014, during an 8 game losing streak, Cam showed up to every press conference and placidly gave the same canned responses people wanted game after game. No one cared about that or gave him credit for a stoic demeanor during a time of adversity for the team. They just relentlessly bashed him for "regressing" as a player, despite playing with several injuries behind a terrible line. Until they started winning, and basically didn't stop until 2 days ago, during which Cam had these same critics defending his celebratory antics and calling everyone racists.
The bottom line is it doesn't really matter how you act, as long as it's within' league rules and doesn't negatively affect the team, you're going to take baseless shit when you're losing and be told your piss tastes like rainwater when you're winning.
The bottom line is it doesn't really matter how you act, as long as it's within' league rules and doesn't negatively affect the team, you're going to take baseless shit when you're losing and be told your piss tastes like rainwater when you're winning.
xDUMPWEEDx
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I agree. He should have never made that particular comment, even with it being true.
Anyways, on to a more positive quote:
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