Gipsy Danger
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Do Nintendo make PC games now? That's awesome news!
Edit: Actually. Krejlooc said it better.
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Do Nintendo make PC games now? That's awesome news!
Edit: Actually. Krejlooc said it better.
I don't get this. A PC that plays games is a gaming PC. If you can run all of those games on a 5 year old iMac then you are gaming on a PC. That's all that matters. If it's a PC and you can run games on it then congratulations, you own a gaming PC and don't even know it.
- Raspberry Pi? Gaming PC
- IBM 5150? Gaming PC
- An eMachine from 98? Gaming PC
- Altair 8800? not a gaming PC.
That's how I see it anyways. So all these posters going, "I play DOTA or StarCraft 2 occasionally on my mac but nah, I don't want to game on PC". I think WTF? you ARE gaming on PC already.
I guess you can not count it if you want but I certainly do.
derExperte
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Maniac Mansion is hidden in DotT but unfortunately that isn't available on any digital store, you'd need to find an old used copy.
I assume the thread title means a new PC in the todays standards, at least current console level for example
That is because more or less everyone has access to a PC these days, so the thread would not really make any sense
I think the "bought" is the key word
Also obviously i completly agree with the MAC thing
It sucks. Not only si the game not very stable yet on iOS, it's a pain in the ass to do much of anything. You spend almost all the time on pause.
I onl;y tried it breifly on a friend's iPAd though. I got the enhanced edition for PC. Not something I'd want to spend 50+ hours doing.
Relaly, iPads and smart phones aren't the devices where I'd like to spend time with a deep, immersive, combat focused RPG. YMMV, I guess.
Angry birds to kill some time? Sure. 50+ hour RPG? Hell no.
Raspberry Pi uses an ARM11 processor. In the context of what most people mean by "PC," and especially "gaming PC," i.e. x86 opcodes, Raspberry Pi would not be considered a PC.
EDIT: ARM11, not ARM7.
Yuck
While PC is great I can't imagine what my last three gaming years would have looked like without 3DS and Wii U. Luckily owning PC and those aren't mutually exclusive.
I dunno, I mean I consider a personal computer and it plays games so *shrug*. I know I have low standards for the categorization but I've loved PC gaming since the start and I'll play PC games on my shoe if it would let me.
So then do you consider an android phone to be a PC? Because Raspberry Pi has more in common with something like that than the PC sitting on your desk.
Actually yeah I guess I do. You know what I would pretty much consider all phones and consoles PC's too. They just are really behind on their operating systems compared to a desktop PC.
Yeah... I definitely went too far with my classifications. But my main point I still believe was somebody playing something like Diablo 3 or DOTA 2 or whatever on a recent iMac to me should constitute a gaming PC. Sure it's not the best way to play games but you can still play modern games on them. I think it should really count towards a gaming PC.
I meant for gaming consoles on the OS. The smart phones are totally up to snuff minus a couple of things they're occasionally missing (though there are usually ways to work around missing features).
Well personal classification aside, surely you know that is much broader in scope than the topic title implies, right?
Not really. Maybe you could argue the UI, although I wouldn't, but iOS and android are modern, fully fleshed out operating systems.
dancrane212
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I built a decently capable PC for when StarCraft 2 launched thinking I was going to get back into PC gaming but it didn't work out for me.
When I was younger I would spend hours playing Command and Conquer/Warcraft or getting mods for the Jedi Knight games but I couldn't seem to get the same reaction with my modern machine. I'd still play games on my 360 when my PC was more than capable of playing the same game with a higher resolution/framerate.
I had tried using a 360 controller and running an HDMI cable to my television but it still didn't click with me. Having to switch out my second monitor and prep steam to big picture mode didn't give me the same "experience" that I had grown accustomed to after I switched to consoles.
I've also had pretty crappy luck with playing the games I was really looking forward to. Buying Human Revolution only to experience the stuttering issue that, after a good chunk of time spent trying to fix, I couldn't resolve. Or my Metro 2033 save getting wiped 4 hours in (with pretty mediocre performance to boot).
I still will fire up my PC from time to time for more traditional games that need a K&M (Can't wait for Wasteland 2!). I even put together a Steam Machine using spare parts from upgrading my motherboard a couple months ago so I haven't given up on the PC but I have a hard time seeing it becoming my "main" machine like it was when I was younger.
When I was younger I would spend hours playing Command and Conquer/Warcraft or getting mods for the Jedi Knight games but I couldn't seem to get the same reaction with my modern machine. I'd still play games on my 360 when my PC was more than capable of playing the same game with a higher resolution/framerate.
I had tried using a 360 controller and running an HDMI cable to my television but it still didn't click with me. Having to switch out my second monitor and prep steam to big picture mode didn't give me the same "experience" that I had grown accustomed to after I switched to consoles.
I've also had pretty crappy luck with playing the games I was really looking forward to. Buying Human Revolution only to experience the stuttering issue that, after a good chunk of time spent trying to fix, I couldn't resolve. Or my Metro 2033 save getting wiped 4 hours in (with pretty mediocre performance to boot).
I still will fire up my PC from time to time for more traditional games that need a K&M (Can't wait for Wasteland 2!). I even put together a Steam Machine using spare parts from upgrading my motherboard a couple months ago so I haven't given up on the PC but I have a hard time seeing it becoming my "main" machine like it was when I was younger.
In my opinion the best combination is PC + Nintendo. Either a WiiU, 3DS, or both!
I have found that there isn't much to offer currently on the XBO or PS4 as even a decent PC renders them largely redundant. I am looking at picking up a WiiU this fall though, PS4 sometime in 2015.
You just press the big button in the middle of your controller. That's prep?
outunderthestars
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I have an alienware Alpha on preorder. Does that count?
Absolutely. Please make a topic on that when it arrives, btw, I'd love to hear some impressions.
outunderthestars
Banned
Was planning on it. I kept looking at the indie game thread every month and lamenting my inability to play those games. Hell, I have 215 steam games just from bunndles and sales. I just knew that one day I'd have a gaming PC.
dancrane212
Member
There were games that would have limited controller support that required more setup. For Arkham Asylum I would have to go back to my desktop after I had launched the game and use the mouse to maneuver the subscreen that would let you change your resolution as it had no controller support.
It's such a small thing but especially now that I've been using a steam machine it's disappointing to still see some (it has gotten better) games come out that don't have full controller support and require a mouse or keyboard to start.
Was planning on it. I kept looking at the indie game thread every month and lamenting my inability to play those games. Hell, I have 215 steam games just from bunndles and sales. I just knew that one day I'd have a gaming PC.
The hidden best secret about having an HTPC? They are the ultimate media box. Throw XBMC on that baby and you'll be floored at how much better of a media playing solution it is than literally anything else on the market. You simply cannot buy a better media box.
I'd recommend grabbing an MCE remote for your Steam Machine if you want to watch media. I sound like an evangelist, but the Gyration MCE Remote is godlike:
they don't make these anymore, so you'll have to buy one secondhand off of ebay or something similar, but they are so worth tracking down. I stock piled on them when they were discontinued because the first one I had impressed me so much. Beyond being a universal remote with IR learning functions (so it can learn button presses from other remotes), it also is recognized by your PC as a keyboard and mouse. This is beneficial because some motherboards won't boot without a keyboard present (although I'd expect the Alienware Alpha to not have that problem). EventGhost, a freeware program, will let you freely map macros and keypresses to any button on the remote.
The best feature of the remote is the gyration feature. Press the button above the green windows jewel and it activates the gyration (double click it to toggle on and off, otherwise it is active only as long as you hold the button down). When the gyration mode is active, the thing functions like a wiimote. Moving the remote around will move the mouse on your screen. To the left and right of the buttons are left and right click mouse buttons. This makes browsing the web or using netflix amazing. I frequently post on forums like this from my couch using this remote to navigate.
Another tip is that if you launch a non-steam application through steam's big picture mode, the steam overlay follows even if it's not a steamworks application. So, for example, if you launch XBMC through Steam BPM, you can press the center button on your xbox controller and the steam overlay will pop up like a normal game. That way you can always have the internet 1 button away, and instant access to your friendslist from any screen.
I cloned my PC for my father and sister's respective houses a few christmases ago, entirely intended to be used as primarily an HTPC media box. They actually took to steam's BPM because of the friendslist feature, even though they don't play games. We run steam on our phones so we treat the friendslist as sort of a private, interconnected, family-only messaging system. We like it because we are really bad about checking our phones, so we can send 1 message through steam and be sure that it'll pop up on both the phone, and the television screen.
outunderthestars
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I think it would be to somehow try and force games on steam to all support controllers. Certain games and genres so ply wouldn't work.
dancrane212
Member
Oh no, that's not what I mean. This is about games that have controller support once the game starts but require a mouse or keyboard to start. Team Fortress 2, not that I would play the game with a controller, has a popup when the game starts and a controller is detected asking if you want to enable it. You cannot use the controller to select the "Yes" box. You need to use a mouse or keyboard.
Reizo Ryuu
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I don't understand this comment, there really isn't any more "maintenance" to pc gaming as there are firmware updates on consoles.
Less even, my current pc has rebooted only once (in a full year) to install a new driver, and only because I also installed a new videocard, contrary to popular belief, you don't need to update every single time a new driver is released; updating drivers is for is something is broken, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Also tinkering...I boot up my games, set it to ultra/highest, and play, heck most games have a pretty decent auto-detect on boot function so you'll never even have to enter the display options.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Is there any difference between the Alpha and X51? Because that also looks to have the smaller console form factor.
outunderthestars
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The X51 is larger, but has an optical drive and standard parts. The Alpha is much smaller, but has a custom mother board with the GPU attached.
Atraveller
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In this thread? Not enough.Well I thought I was being obvious enough!
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
PCs aren't as hassle free as consoles. There's no debate there.
I definitely agree. A lot of long time PC gamers have become so accustomed to those hassles (when they show up) that they don't even think of them as "hassles" any longer.
I do think, however, that console gaming has gotten less hassle free over time. Again, that isn't to say they're as "hassle-ridden" as PCs, just more hassle-ridden than they were in, say, 1998.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
I press download, wait for the download to finish, press play; where is the hassle?
Random disconnects because your NAT isn't great, weird, unsolvable crashes because Killzone: Shadowfall is terrible, the occasional corrupted download, the OS freezing or hanging up for no discernable reason, audio quality being bad, oh, and my favorite one: "you can't chat with friends because your connection doesn't support it," which happens at random.
And you can't solve any of this.
Welcome to the PS4.
EDIT: Unless you meant PC, in which case, you're mostly right. Steam has the occasional "oh right I didn't download everything" moment.
ViolentP
Member
There's more to it than that. Whenever I install a game, first thing I do is go through the settings and make sure I have everything turned up. Consoles don't need to worry about that kind of thing. I happen to like the option, but for someone who doesn't, I can see how it would be burdensome.
Comon thats just lazy if your not willing to do that. In fact even when i play on console i check the audio settings and gamma settings.
I get that on PC you may need to check the frame rate with MSI Afterburner, but this isnt an hour job, it would probably take the PS4 longer to load a game before i have the graphics settings sorted. And for new gamers it may take a little bit to work out what effects the frame rate the most etc but its not a big deal. We all have to learn new things in life and that isnt a disadvantage. Once you know it you can be up and running in no time at all. Too many people scared to make a small change, but imo they miss out on a lot of different games.
I'd be curious to test Metroid Prime with Oculus... I think the way they handle the PoV is awful, though, with a hud cut short on the sides. That completely kills the effect.
Not sure that your definition linked to the processor works well... I'd say that an iMac has more in common with a gaming PC than an Intel Edison:
Yes, you may probably run Windows on that... thing, which is an x86 board on something just a little bigger than an SD Card.
So, that's a PC?
I fully agree, but man, it can be a lot of work to set-up perfectly to your tastes... Especially since PVR support isn't still great out-of-the-box.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Yeah I was talking about pc, but yeah I've experienced my share of "hassles" with console gaming as well.
Well sure, as mentioned I do the same, but it's only a hassle if you make it one. Most games have pretty decent auto-detect settings, so if you don't like or don't care about changing display settings, you can generally straight up ignore it.
Chezzymann
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And many people don't like the default way PC's are for gaming just out of the box, which is why they don't want to get a PC for gaming. Just look at the OP. And then you get into all these issues trying to improve your experience because there's so many choices and it can become very convoluted for people like me who know absolutely nothing about computers. To many people "Choice" is a negative thing. Like ViolentP said, they just want to click a button and go without thinking about anything else. Nothing else ever.
Another big issue is also the viruses and adware you accidentally got by clicking that picture, the driver updates that you didn't know you needed because for some reason they weren't installed, all the little random problems that always happen over and over that make the experience complicated and convoluted due to it being an open system with lots of choice. You might be fine with all this, you might not even know that you're making these easy fixes all the time because to you its just clicking the speaker button, going to the volume control menu, and turning down the volume of something because its way louder than the other applications. But for me, and other people who are like grandpas on computers for even the simplest of tasks, I'd rather stick with a close ended inferior system with little to no choice that I know exactly how it works before I even get it so that I don't have to think about anything else ever when I boot up my machine besides gaming.
Actually, as far as it's linked to NAT issues, you probably can... The most powerful solution is having a small PC replacing your router running shorewall ^_^
The simple fact that many people solves their problem by placing the PS4 in DMZ means that it's software-related and not a PC/Console difference. You could probably design an even worse net code on PC.
ViolentP
Member
I'm a PC guy. Always been, even though I keep up with consoles. But the difference between the two is apparent. Personally, the lack of option on consoles is deterring because I prefer to have control of my games. I like to tweak and mod. But I also understand that the adverse exists out there. Some people don't like the options. They want to push a button and go. I don't see anything wrong with that either. It's all about what you want out of your experience.
I think the situation becomes fucked up when the two sides start arguing about superiority in something so subjective. It's an exercise in frustration.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Can't argue there. Especially for someone who doesn't use their system often enough, they could be hit with a bunch of updates. PS3 is probably the worst offender.
It's all about what suits each individual best. Not everyone can accept that.
"they"? Nobody handled the POV, this is the game's own aggressive culling. And you don't see the edges of the screen. You really barely see past the edges of the helmet visor. A good 35% of any given oculus rift output is wasted space on the screen.
Not sure that your definition linked to the processor works well... I'd say that an iMac has more in common with a gaming PC than an Intel Edison:
Yes, you may probably run Windows on that... thing, which is an x86 board on something just a little bigger than an SD Card.
So, that's a PC?
I have no idea why you'd call that "thing" not a PC just because it's small. It executes x86 code and can play games written for the x86 platform. It's merely a terrible PC. But it's a PC none the less.
outunderthestars
Banned
The hidden best secret about having an HTPC? They are the ultimate media box. Throw XBMC on that baby and you'll be floored at how much better of a media playing solution it is than literally anything else on the market. You simply cannot buy a better media box.
I'd recommend grabbing an MCE remote for your Steam Machine if you want to watch media. I sound like an evangelist, but the Gyration MCE Remote is godlike:
they don't make these anymore, so you'll have to buy one secondhand off of ebay or something similar, but they are so worth tracking down. I stock piled on them when they were discontinued because the first one I had impressed me so much. Beyond being a universal remote with IR learning functions (so it can learn button presses from other remotes), it also is recognized by your PC as a keyboard and mouse. This is beneficial because some motherboards won't boot without a keyboard present (although I'd expect the Alienware Alpha to not have that problem). EventGhost, a freeware program, will let you freely map macros and keypresses to any button on the remote.
The best feature of the remote is the gyration feature. Press the button above the green windows jewel and it activates the gyration (double click it to toggle on and off, otherwise it is active only as long as you hold the button down). When the gyration mode is active, the thing functions like a wiimote. Moving the remote around will move the mouse on your screen. To the left and right of the buttons are left and right click mouse buttons. This makes browsing the web or using netflix amazing. I frequently post on forums like this from my couch using this remote to navigate.
Another tip is that if you launch a non-steam application through steam's big picture mode, the steam overlay follows even if it's not a steamworks application. So, for example, if you launch XBMC through Steam BPM, you can press the center button on your xbox controller and the steam overlay will pop up like a normal game. That way you can always have the internet 1 button away, and instant access to your friendslist from any screen.
I cloned my PC for my father and sister's respective houses a few christmases ago, entirely intended to be used as primarily an HTPC media box. They actually took to steam's BPM because of the friendslist feature, even though they don't play games. We run steam on our phones so we treat the friendslist as sort of a private, interconnected, family-only messaging system. We like it because we are really bad about checking our phones, so we can send 1 message through steam and be sure that it'll pop up on both the phone, and the television screen.
Thank you for the thoughtful and well written reply. I had never even thought about installing XBMC on it, but that is exactly what I want!
I ordered one of those remotes on ebay as I think it will really help the user experience.
Seriously, thank you again!
What you described sounds like a hassle. That is the kind of thing that is really intimidating to people looking to play games but have no pc gaming experience.
Eek, one thing I forgot to mention - absolutely make sure the one you buy comes with the dongle. The remote is easy to get, the dongle is pretty hard to find. There are two different kinds, too. I really am sorry for not mentioning that earlier, hopefully you bought one with a dongle because I never see them for sale separately.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
He described an optional process though, your games will play fine without even ever entering the display settings.
Gipsy Danger
Member
Well I thought I was being obvious enough!
You had me until the last sentence.
outunderthestars
Banned
I snagged a Dell dongle that should work with it.
Thats great to hear, I was worried you had just wasted some cash. If the dongle doesnt work, hit me up and we can swap remotes with one that does work, I have multiple of both models.
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$$$.
Barack Lesnar
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Read the Dead Rising 3 PC thread. There are lots of people with significant problems. The same goes with just about every game. Hassle & convenience is an issue that just isn't debatable when it comes to this PC/Console comparison. It personally doesn't bother me... I'm one of the people that rarely ever has any issues with PC games. I can't even remember the last time I had a game-breaking problem, but maybe that's just luck, or maybe I'm subconsciously ignoring them like Opiate said.
One other thing I wanted to mention was about the cost of games. I bought Wolfenstein for PS4 for a little over $50, like $53 or something. I sold it 2 weeks later for $37, for a net loss of 16 bucks, and this was a brand new release. You can't do this on PC, period. It's a huge benefit for consoles.
I wish I could sell my digital PC copies of South Park Stick of Truth (spent $40), or Divinity (also $40). I could make a list a mile long of the games I wish I could resell, and I don't mean resell months later... a lot of them just a week or two later after buying and completing them. The response to this is "reselling a game on consoles means you lose it! On PC, you keep it forever!"... Wanna know something? I guarantee you if reselling ever became an option for digital PC games, like on Steam or something, I guarantee you it would be HUGELY popular, just massive. I'd be all over it in an instant, holy crap.
Anyway, so the whole thing about "dude you can make up the cost of a PC several times over just from buying games cheaper!" is superficial at best. It's not nearly as cost saving as people make it out to be when you consider reselling, and also renting.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
I don't think it's luck, unless some developer has acknowledged there being a gamebreaking issue, like a save game deletion bug, or that you absolutely need the latest of drivers, I belief people posting about most general issues are just a very vocal minority; simply because people generally don't post, or raise awereness, when everything is functioning fine. Just like you generally don't look up a walkthrough unless you are stuck.
Yes sometimes mystery problems show up, but then is when you are actually unlucky, I don't belief in the notion that you are lucky cause they don't.
I once put my pc into hybernation accidentally while playing Tomb Raider, I was sure that when turning my system back on I'd be greeted with some horrible error/bsod, yet there was the game, acting as if nothing happened.
Windows has come a long way and I have to try really, really hard for something to break or not work.
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