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Wii Exploit Found
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Dragona Akehi
Retired
Proven said:
Much like Everest: because it's there.
MisterHero
Super Member
does this mean you can play psp games on wii
MisterHero
Super Member
but ubisoft does itUser2k said:
Getting code to run on the system at all, or without a modchip in this case, comes before deciding which code you'd prefer to run on the system.VOOK said:
The good is when the added functionality of homebrew or region-free or even piracy drives someone so buy the system and maybe buy a few games for it. Of course, some people might complain that those people don't deserve the console, because Sony lost money making the PSP, or because Nintendo has shortages (sorry, demand) and someone had to grab the last Wii out from in front of an elderly grandmother who wanted it for their handicapped grandchild's birthday.oneHeero said:
The bad is usually when software sales already stink on that console, and people don't actually have any love for it, so when given the choice, they choose to screw Sony/Nintendo/whoever and stop buying games (choosing instead to pirate games, or play emulators/homebrew). Of course if your console is popular (like the PSX), some people believe you can spin that negative into an even bigger positive.
"Good... Bad... I'm the guy with the gun."
Ash (Bruce Campbell, Army of Darkness)
I hope I'm not coming across as impolite, but if you don't like his priorities, why not try to do it yourself?VOOK said:
Seriously, it's always the tinkerers that find stuff like that. Guys that like to prod stuff until it does what they want. Linux is perfect for that mindset. So leave him be - as long as we get to benefit off of his findings, let him install OpenBSD on the Wii or whatever-the-fuck he wants.
*cough* sorry.
You can thank Nintendos tech-aversion for that: They currently have no (known) way of patching a game. It's a game bug, not a Wii bug, as far as I know. Serves them right, I sez.callous said:
Perhaps, but that's what people were saying about the PSP through update after update, until the hackers finally scored their flawless victory with the Pandora battery. Hackers had Sony on their heels through the entire fight.callous said:
I imagine if you want no-modchip homebrew on Wii you should probably follow the same procedures people did with the PSP: Never upgrade to a firmware level until someone has already broken it.
What does this have to do with homebrew? This looks like somebody managed to overwrite the data segment/string pool corrupting text and other data. Kind of a far cry from an exploit to run homebrew/etc though. I'm a programmer but not much into this sort of stuff. Am I missing something or is this just ten helpings of hype over hooplah?
CTLance said:
If I knew how to hack the Wii to play region free games I would glady share it with everyone. Running another OS on the Wii imo seems pointless.
Homebrew is all well and good but unless its something cool like XBMC then why bother :/
v1cious said:
I know my moral standards are generally much, much higher than most on the internet or even here on NeoGAF, but the worst thing to happen in my opinion is that they end up allowing pirating, no matter what their intentions are, by cracking the system for this one achievement. And it happens all the time. It just doesn't seem necessary when you're hurting other people with it.
And here's praise for the PS3: http://curmudgeongamer.com/2008/01/hacking-ps3-or-sony-is-clever-for-once.html
And now for the necessary NeoGAF -> Internet -> NeoGAF
dark_chris
Member
Threi said:
:lol :lol :lol
Dragona Akehi
Retired
Hey, if this lets me somehow dual boot US/JPN firmware so that I can play either region games interchangeably, and in addition allow me to purchase games from the JPN VC server...
I don't see how it's a problem.
I don't see how it's a problem.
Region-FreeWii
Member
Cynar said:this is great newsregion free incoming hopefully
One would hope so, my dream would come true
Metal Gear?!
Member
You're forgetting that Nintendo basically spent a lot of time and effort torpedoing all existing avenues to circumventing regioning (without enabling copying), hell, they even fucked over Freeloader owners without a second thought. Meanwhile the drive itself was still easily fooled so it's not like anything they did actually made copying much harder. The different region Wiis are still stuffed with different region firmwares which is what is making region free operation (even with a modchip that allows copied games) difficult. They've even put region-specific firmware updates that screw up Wiis of a different region on discs which further screws over importers while not affecting those who just copy games (since they can just patch the updates out).VOOK said:
Because Linux has a complete set of development tools.Proven said:
Right, but they'll be pressing patched discs so that only older discs will work, just as Microsoft did with Splinter Cell and Mech Assault and Nightfire back in the day.CTLance said:
People can already pirate games. This opens the door to more than piracy, which drive modchips did not do.v1cious said:
As I said, the simple matter of region locks on the discs themselves are already circumvented with current drive modchips. However, the differing region firmwares are making truly region free operation very difficult. Games have to be patched to work if they will even work at all. Nintendo has basically spent a lot of time and effort making sure that those who copy games have an easier time than those who purchase and import games legally.Dechaios said:
civilstrife
Member
As far as I'm concerned the best thing about this is that the guy who does all that crazy Wii hardware stuff like the VR headtracking and whatnot will be able to actually create software for the Wii instead of using the Wii remote on a bluetooth enabled PC.
Region-FreeWii
Member
dfyb said:
yes please
EDIT: wtf I already replied in this thread and I don't remember
Caesar III
Member
exactly my thoughts! I hate it to read it everywhere...Proven said:
Yeah, and sure they develop directly on the hardware! They waggle to type in code, right? It doesn't make fuckin' sense.
You see... In most of the IT world it is generally frowned upon if you re-invent the wheel with every new software project. It's hugely inefficient, particularly given the meager amount of working code you can get out of a good dev per day.Caesar III said:
The Linux Kernel and accompanying software offers a full-fledged*, easy-to-use*, known as rather bug-free*, familiar* environment to develop for. Drivers are a-plenty, and it's easy to either customize an existing one or bake your own. Tutorials for every problem on this planet are everywhere, and there's quite a sizable community to leech knowledge from.
I think you underestimate how incredibly complex software can get. Debugging using a known-good codebase is way more feasible than shooting in the dark with homemade code. Every dev makes errors. They're only human. They're lucky if they can get out 200 lines of 100% error-free source code per day. Do you realize how long a full-fledged enironment would take with the usual handfull of freaks interested in that stuff?
int main(){
printf("Hi world!");
}
versus
*writing your own stack/data/etc segment setup script
*initializing all needed chips by peeking/poking random registers/memory locations
*setting up interrupt handlers
*initializing your own screen access API
*writing Hi world
*probably voluntarily getting stuck in an endless loop to be on the safe side
...and now something happens: every 7th time you run your program your Wii crashes and emits static noise at max volume.
Do you want to debug it using e.g. gdb (a Linux debugger), or do you want to roll your own? Will you simply use e.g. the Linux logging daemon output to try to figure out what went wrong, or will you simply barf out debug info on the screen? What about accessing that SD card reader? It probably needs working FAT16/32 drivers to be of any use - and I'm not even talking about the likely use of I²C as protocol used for low-level access requiring a bit of bitbanging.
There's so much to be considered, so much that can go horribly wrong. So many lines of code that need to be written. So many possible firm-/soft- and hardware workarounds needed. So many possible subtle bugs that show up with incredibly low probability, yet are able to majorly screw up things.
Cut those guys some slack, please. What they're doing is far removed from a cakewalk, and they're learning a shitload of stuff about the hardware in the process. Keep in mind that is the most important piece: Knowledge. The amount of reverse-engineering required for even simple tasks is mindboggling.
*At least, in comparison to rolling your own stuff.
http://wiibrew.org/index.php?title=Twilight_Hack
Looks like they got some kind of code loader in the works, very cool
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zaRhyEUOk44
I'm hoping for some region free action really soon
Looks like they got some kind of code loader in the works, very cool
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zaRhyEUOk44
I'm hoping for some region free action really soon
Haunted
Member
I don't really know how this stuff is supposed to work, but yes, please!Dechaios said:http://wiibrew.org/index.php?title=Twilight_Hack
Looks like they got some kind of code loader in the works, very cool
http://youtube.com/watch?v=zaRhyEUOk44
I'm hoping for some region free action really soon
I'm so scared to "mod" any of my current gen systems. I think they've finally found a way to keep people away from that stuff - digital distribution.
I've purchased a ton of stuff on Virtual Console, PSN, and XBLA...if my box were to be "banned" for having a mod chip or whatever, I'd freak. Internet connectivity really helps keep things legal.
Back in the PS2/Xbox/GC days you could get away without any Internet for most of your games, thus modding to play Import stuff was no sweat.
Still...great news. I hope they can make it so we can use the JPN VC and play games from other regions and be undected by Nintendo's firmware.
I've purchased a ton of stuff on Virtual Console, PSN, and XBLA...if my box were to be "banned" for having a mod chip or whatever, I'd freak. Internet connectivity really helps keep things legal.
Back in the PS2/Xbox/GC days you could get away without any Internet for most of your games, thus modding to play Import stuff was no sweat.
Still...great news. I hope they can make it so we can use the JPN VC and play games from other regions and be undected by Nintendo's firmware.
TheGreatDave
Banned
I'd never dare mod a console it costs more than £50 to replace. Not worth the risk to me. I'd rather import a new one.
Smiles and Cries
Member
QFTJamesfrom818 said: