MadeInBeats
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I know. Must be loads of opportunities there. What about Japanese students studying abroad, and visa-versa. Must be loads of Western games that don't see a Japanese release but would still sell in profit making numbers on digital.
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I know. Must be loads of opportunities there. What about Japanese students studying abroad, and visa-versa. Must be loads of Western games that don't see a Japanese release but would still sell in profit making numbers on digital.
Shuelma and myself are the ones pondering the most about Japanese support and honestly, it's really hard to predict anything. Allthough, I expect absolutely nothing from the Square side of Square-Enix. Final Fantasy XIII Trilogy sounds like a pretty good idea, but that won't happen.
On the Bamco support, I suppose we'll see more than just Tekken TT2 and Tank! Tank! Tank!. It's too early for a Tales games (a Tales of Xillia 2 port for instance seems out of the question) and honestly... I expect One Piece stuff.
Sega... from the Japanese side maybe an exclusive Sonic game? I can see them going the easy way and porting over Super Monkey Ball Banana Splitz from Vita to Wii U. Other easy cash could be the Yakuza 1 + 2 HD version.
Capcom has at least one game... I'm guessing a fighter. Mahvel vs. Capcom 3 (because TvsC was a relative success on Wii) or Street Fighter x Tekken.
Tecmo-Koei will release a Musou game of some sort...
As for the rest, I'm stumped. I don't think Marvelous, Atlus and other developers will jump in from the start.
Kacho
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Yep. It makes no different knowing that stuff 6 months in advance as apposed to 2 months in advance. Complaining about it is bizarre.
I'm not so sure about how many copies JRPGs would sell in the US and Europe if they were only in Japanese to be honest. I'm learning Japanese and I'm currently playing through Dragon Quest 9 in that language. It's such slow going for me that it's not really that enjoyable.
I think the games would still need to be localised in order to sell in anything like decent numbers.
But for less text-heavy games, the original Japanese versions would probably be fine.
I think they'll also have a new IP designed for WiiU, similar to what they did with Zack & Wiki. Just a guess though.
Yea and RE6 has already gone Gold so they can be working on the WiiU port right now, i'm sure they were working on it at that time, he just was under NDA and couldnt talk about it.
Speaking of Japan support, I really wish Konami could implement the Yu-Gi-Oh! duel disk with the Wii U game pad, attached to your arm and stuff (I kinda expressed this on that recent Konami thread), also, card deck information could be transfered into a NFC figurine, allowing us to have a nice portable digital deck.
MadeInBeats
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It wouldn't be my cup of tea either, but I think there would be more people out there than you think, native speakers or not, that would buy it. What's the harm of having it up there in a sub menu to download when it costs them nothing to add it to the eShop!
Think about all the games and all the consoles. Individual sales wouldn't be that impressive, but add them all together over 5 years and that's probably a good few million in the bin in licencing fees for Nintendo !!
Xbox 360 was what set the tone for the Western development boom, before that, Sony's catalog was much more diversified in developer output. 360 was out for a year. Sony felt that differentiation was for suckers and led full-force with an all-Western lineup and GENJI, the game that essentially killed Game Republic. Not really speaking well of Japanese content creation out of Sony, especially when Game Republic's follow-up, Folklore, was sent to die in every region it was released in with basically no marketing push.
R&D consists of more than graphics. Bringing a game to the Wii that doesn't use the Wiimote was considered a fool's errand by some (mirroring the "it has to be unique" tripe from developers like Kojima now), despite Nintendo proving them all wrong by the time Smash Bros. hit much later.
Regarding Monster Hunter, I think that the payout only barely equaled the investment Capcom put into it.
The problem isn't that you have to be there FULL-FORCE at launch. You have to be there in some form AT ALL, and NO ONE WAS. Elebits with its terrible controls, Dewy's Adventure and RE rail shooters a year in ain't going to cut it. Neither is a quicky point-and-click like Zack & Wiki, also a whole year later. Capcom figured this out and tried something. Yeah, MonHunTri was not a failure, but it wasn't a rousing success, either.
But you know who the biggest winner with the Wii was 3rd-party wise? ATLUS. And where were they? Front and center with a game at launch, a beloved core game, no less. Hell, it was even a REMAKE. And people bought everything that came after it, so much so that there were 3 Trauma Center games in total, and as far as I remember, all of them were a success in the eyes of Atlus. They made enough with that and Persona to afford to make the jump to PS3 and 360 with Catherine.
Sony gives dev support for development, yes, but that's EXPECTED. What Nintendo has been doing reaches beyond that considerably. When was the last time you heard about Sony promoing a game they didn't make? Or publishing another publisher's content? 5 years ago, that's when. And once again, look to Game Republic to see what happened to the one Japanese independent studio they had a relationship with.
Square Enix only had 2 Japanese brands other than Dragon Quest that they sold this generation: Final Fantasy XIII and Kingdom Hearts. KH was relegated to an endless spiral of portable games that have made the plot near-incomprehensible by splitting the storyline across multiple platforms, and FF was committed to HD before the generation even began, so there was no opportunity to backpedal. For SQE, the stage was set for these titles before the generation ever began, and they invested so heavily in HD that all of their new franchises went to the only other platform type they invested R&D into that had a userbase to foster a new or B-list IP: the DS and PSP.
Dragon Quest Swords happened, but... let's be honest, no one sank ANY money into that and any reason it was good was by virtue of Yuji Horii.
And let's not even discuss the problems that Crystal Bearers has, suffering the same fate as other 2009 3rd-party titles: too little, too late. Bad controls, less-than-PS2 visuals... it was a rushed and poorly-funded attempt to reach the Wii's higher user base, and it failed.
My favourite SQE game of this generation was My Life As a Darklord, a WiiWare exclusive. Strange.
As for Capcom, you can't say they didn't try, but since they tried so late in the game, they were propped up as an example that games won't sell and aren't worth the investment because no one was there to capitalize on the system at launch.
3rd parties in Japan have been completely and utterly silent about next gen, for the most part. And when they do open their mouths about it, aside from the usual suspects like Kojima, there's only one platform that comes out of their mouth. By this time in the last generation, just before the 360 launch, these developers couldn't shut up about the PS3 or the "Revolution" or even the 360. The silence is... suspicious, wouldn't you agree? Almost like they were under iron-clad NDAs that Sony isn't prone to making.
An independent developer who has never EVER done a platform-holder exclusive suddenly decides to do one? You think that Sony and Microsoft wouldn't have been after them first once their Sega contract was up? WHY Nintendo? There's a few plausible answers, but they all lead to the same conclusion: for one reason or another, Nintendo has more positive mindshare than their competitors.
The closer to the holiday rush, the better in my opinion. I think the wii benefited from that a lot.
I think you are being a bit pessimistic. I think NB will have more than that, and I suspect Capcom and Tecmo Koei will as well (Orochi 2 was semi-confirmed in a leaked gamestop Italy list that has proven accurate so far).
I know SAlberto said in this thread Marvelous was on board, so I would expect some small stuff from them.
Again, its so frustrating because of the total silence, but I'm hopeful we'll see a few reveals leading up to the September conference.
MadWorld was a platform exclusive on Wii. It wasn't published by Nintendo but is that relevant?
I'd bet dollars to donuts that was Sega's decision, once again trying too late to capitalize on the success of the Wii.
I don't know about that. My impression is that Sega didn't have much creative input in that relationship.
I really hope Platinum work more often with Nintendo though, Kamiya definitely wants to make Star Fox.
IdeaMan has been around. Also, I'm late to the party, but... Meelow. He lived a short yet good life. I think he was approved a few days before me.
bgassassin
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It will be called Half Life: Inverse.
There isn't any proof. Nintendo has in the past been consistent about using main node for their chips. That would suggest the GPU will be on a 32nm process.
I don't know everything, but so far there has been no indication PS4 will have BC. We'll see how that goes though. And I'm expecting Wii U's to be software-based.
nordique
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While on the topic,
Blu, how exactly was the Wii GPU different, if at all, from the GameCube's?
Was hollywood simply a souped up flipper?
What work did ATI do on the GPU to warrant to being renamed? Was it a die shrink? Did they integrate something something else? Use newer manufacturing tech?
Outside of the generally known "it's a faster GameCube with more ram", I've always wondered how exactly the Wii's guts differed. That is, not how they were similar but how they were different.
GiantEnemyGoomba
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Hero of Legend
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But hasn't she been wrong loads of times? I remember her fake Pikmin 3 and Endless Ocean 3 shots.
RE: region locked Wii U?
Digital download store = region lock. that was their whole reason for region locking from the DSi onward.
I just don't see them suddenly saying "whoops, now you can play console games from all regions for the first time"
I want that so much, region locking is absolute death, I hate it so much it ain't even funny but I just don't see Nintendo changing their stance on that front.
Digital download store = region lock. that was their whole reason for region locking from the DSi onward.
I just don't see them suddenly saying "whoops, now you can play console games from all regions for the first time"
I want that so much, region locking is absolute death, I hate it so much it ain't even funny but I just don't see Nintendo changing their stance on that front.
Saying "make a Wii game" doesn't mean they were involved creatively.
She was right a week ago on Star Beast coming to Wii U. She has also been right multiple times on things like XenoBlade/The Last Story coming in 2012, Pikmin 3 moving from Wii to Wii U back when it was still called Project Cafe, and Smash Bros being worked on by a new team.
She gets many things wrong, but she gets many things right. She's a mixed bag, and I doubt she talks to only one source.
I'm just judging her on her recent efforts. I know some people on GAF weren't impressed with her Retro story, but at least she put some research and original thinking into it.
Why do they do it though? What's the benefit to Nintendo?
True enough.
test_account
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You also have Minna no Golf, Gran Turismo, White Knight Chronicles, Patapon, Tokyo, Siren Blood Curse etc. It is not like SCEJ did nothing.
There were a lot of western developed games on console before even Xbox came to the market, ever since the Atari 2600 days. Xbox 360 was succesful, it most likely helped grow the western gaming market even more, i'm just not agreeing that others followed Microsoft's footstep on this. I think it was the way the general market went.
Game Republic made 11 games after Genji. I'm not sure if Genji was the main reason why they shut down in 2011.
(i read all you wrote, i just try to cut down on the quoting, so the post wont be too long)
I know, but since the Wii was a minor upgrade in hardware, they didnt need brand new game engines for it. They could use older stuff, cut down on the R&D stuff. I think the biggest problem was that when the HD version came out, giving out a version that didnt have as good as graphics and all that could feel like a downgrade in many cases. Maybe this is why the publishers didnt want to take many chances on using much time and money on porting the games.
About Atlus, i wonder why they didnt support the Wii more if they had success on it? (I'm not implying that they didnt have it, just wondering why they chose other platforms instead after this).
The most recent thing i can remember is Time Travelers for Vita. There was a own site at Sony's website for this game from what i can remember. There have been some 3rd party game bundles too for PSP and PS3, and Project Diva for Vita is getting one too. Sony also had a TV commercial for Vita where they showed off 3rd party games.
For publishing, i can think of three White Knight Chronicles games made by Level 5. But then there is always the things going on behind the scenes. No on here knows how much support the 3rd parties get for promoting their games.
Sony also have something called Playstation Camp. This is where games like The Last Guy and Tokyo Jungle were picked up.
Using one game (Genji) as an example doesnt really tell the whole situation. Imagine if P-100 bombs big time, that doesnt mean that Nintendo has a bad relationship with 3rd party developers in general.
(i read everything here too)
Sorry if i wasnt clear enough, but i didnt mean this towards the Wii. I was wondering how you think the Square Enix and Capcom support will be for the WiiU, and what kinda exclusives you expect to see (hence the comment about Nintendo getting most 3rd party support, indicating that they will get something that Microsoft and Sony wont get).
I dont think that it is too suspicious actually because PS4 and Xbox 720 doesnt excist officially. If i was more of a spectic, i would be more worried about the WiiU support around this concidering that we have known about the WiiU for well over a year now, still there are hardly any games being announced from japanese publishers. I think this is because of NDA partially, but i'm waiting for Tokyo Game Show before i make much speculation about the WiiU support.
It depends on how the deal went down. Keep in mind that Nintendo is the publisher here, so being an independent developer doesnt really matter much in this case. It would be very different if they published the game themself as a WiiU exclusive. If Nintendo came and offered a deal that Platinum Games were really happy about, then it makes sense why they took it. I dont see anything too strange or special about this.
Sony have their own studios. To me it seems that Nintendo is trying to get help from 3rd parties instead of expanding a lot of their own.Team Ninja helping making Metroid Other M, Koei Tecmo helping with Smash Bros etc.. Nothing wrong with this though.
ShockingAlberto
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You realize this kind of thing actually assumes she did poll them, right?
And not just totally lied about it?
Being a friend of hers for at least a year, I must come to her defense. You act like she never talks or has any contact with former or current developers in the industry. She does.
http://www.notenoughshaders.com/201...s-about-rogue-squadron-lair-3ds-and-turrican/
http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2012/08/21/donnchadh-murphy-chats-about-rare/
http://www.notenoughshaders.com/201...k-series-nintendo-64-and-the-virtual-console/
http://www.notenoughshaders.com/201...ackkstudios-chats-with-us-about-two-brothers/
http://www.notenoughshaders.com/201...erview-with-xander-davis-about-thq-and-vigil/
Martin Hollis (Director of Goldeneye/Perfect Dark)
https://twitter.com/martinhollis/statuses/221729888778977282
Two Tribes
https://twitter.com/Emi1yRogers/status/237312922135703552
That's why I said "seems to". Giving her the benefit of the doubt. It would be pretty pathetic if she was lying, I don't believe she is.
Lie? No no, just creative journalism of course.
Yes, they've done promos with McDonalds recently but that Pokemon promotion they did with Burger King in '99 was epic.
Sorry, I coughed at some point during this generation, must have missed the marketing for those games in that split second.
I kid, I kid. There are games there, but in diminished quantity and there's very little behind them in promotion is the problem.
They were one of the only companies trying, and by the time Trauma Team came out, most core gamers totally gave up on their Wii and Atlus was smart enough to see the trend. There's a reason they've been in business for so long despite making mostly niche games.
Bundles are just marketing, they don't do anything to nurture the developers themselves. It's done for games that were already going to sell scads and scads regardless of the bundle.
The difference is in approach. Nintendo saw the failure of Other M, and what are they doing? Putting Ninja Gaiden 3 on all of their hardware promo materials and pushing the game in marketing, as well as publishing the Fatal Frame 2 remake in Europe.
What did Sony do with Folklore after the Genji bomb? Sent it to die.
Square Enix (Kitase specifically) already said they are looking at Final Fantasy's viability on the WiiU back in 2011. If that bears any fruit, prepare for a shake-up.
And before the "bubububuBUT Agni's Philosophy" people come in, that was a Luminous tech demo. And I have suspicions Square Enix is looking to be the Epic Games of Japan and license it for next gen to any takers, so making something stunning is a marketing prerequisite.
And as for Capcom, we know Ono has a dev kit, he was talking about the system prior to E3 2012. So it's pretty clear we'll get fighters.
As for anyone or anything else, no one's opened their mouths.
We knew just as little about the Wii (then Revolution) and PS3 in 2005 as we do about the PS4 and Durango now, and Japanese developers were MUCH more talkative in 2005. Compared to deathly silence, there is something up.
DAREALGUMMY
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Well I've been moving and such so I haven't had too much time to catch up on this thread. Anything big happen? I know about the September thing but any other juicy tidbits?
bgassassin
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I'm hearing Meelow's voice from the grave. It is saying he will be back Sept. 15.
Keep it in community until there's enough info to make a real thread, and close enough to launch so there's not more weeks/months of nothing to discuss.
But will they GameCube themselves?
No no, not toys. HD sequels to the Xbox BK games with asymmetrical multiplayer. Imagine the possibilities for Sneak King U!
ShockingAlberto
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bgassassin
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Hush you! I'm waiting for Paper Zelda.
She never said there was a Paper Zelda.
Sometimes I think people sit there and turn her into this bizarre character.
Truth be told, sites like Zeldainformer and Paul Gale get more stuff wrong than her. And if she gets stuff wrong like (Soul Calibur from Namco at launch), it's usually a minor mistake and ends up being Tekken from Namco at launch.
GiantEnemyGoomba
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I only ever played the racing one. What were this and the other one like?
Wow that really sucks
He will miss the chaos, joy and disappointment from the Nintendo's conference
Oh well, we'll do it for ya Meelow
that's just mean
the business excuse for region locking is
a) (retail titles) if you buy a game in the region it's released in, sales count toward that region's profit. if you import from somewhere else, your region gets nothing. if that happens a lot that affects the bottom line and eventually they don't bother bringing stuff over or have to close down or whatever. that becomes an issue for smaller companies especially. look at ATLUS shipping their first ever region locked title with Persona 4 Arena on PS3 ... they cite exactly these reasons. (valid or not).
the common response is "but the money eventually all goes into the same company bank account anyway, right?" yea no that's not how it works sadly. look at it from their perspective, you keep importing games from region X and your own region Y gets less and less sales and profits. the part of the company in region X thinks "whoa, we're doing gangbusters ...but our folks in region Y suck hairy balls, dude!" so they get smaller budgets and less stuff gets brought over and eventually they go bye bye. this is of course very extreme but that's the way they're thinking.
b) (digital stores) different regions and countries have different age rating restrictions and law which Nintendo must adhere to with their store. the EU has 3 at least (USK, PEGI, BBFC) all by itself. opening something like a single central eShop to customers from all areas creates issues with these ratings systems as a rated T for Teen title in the US might be rated 18 or above in Germany or whatever for various reasons. I bet the currency confusion is part of that as well and language support, too.
I reject these and think there's a way for everyone to be happy but nobody's asking me.
eShop was already confirmed for launch!
Well the Wii U has the wii backwards compatibility so we know it has Wii system chips. That means its emulator used in the virtual console for the wii should work. All previous virtual console games would work from day 1. But new VC games won't be announced. I dont even know if nintendo plans on adding GameCube games to the VC or some more N64 games.
These burger king toys will be epic if NFC is applied. My guess is that the toys will be for Nintendo Land and kids will immediately want to see how they're used with the Wii U. It's so perfect that it's actually kind of scary. I fucking want these toys! If anything, this almost confirms that the launch of the Wii U will be late October-early November. A late November launch would be a waste of hype generated by these toys.
If McDonalds turned this down, they are dumb, but my guess is that Nintendo got to this a little too late for them to arrange it. I'll have to see what toys McDonalds has for this period. No doubt every copy of Nintendo Land will come with a promo for BK and these toys come launch (if my theory holds... which it won't).
If McDonalds turned this down, they are dumb, but my guess is that Nintendo got to this a little too late for them to arrange it. I'll have to see what toys McDonalds has for this period. No doubt every copy of Nintendo Land will come with a promo for BK and these toys come launch (if my theory holds... which it won't).
I...have no clue. I couldn't even remember what the other one was. Found this on Joystiq:
NFC toys would be so fucking amazing.
Kacho
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that's just mean
I find that quite hilarious.
NFC toys seems like a good idea.
bgassassin
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Fine. Still doesn't deter me from wanting Paper Zelda though.
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