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[Madserb2023]

I thnk one day consoles won't exist.

 

[EN250]

Eh, if they keep releasing trash like Concord, FAILgames and marathon, why would people want them as TP publisher?

 

[Three]

Nobody because they went fully day 1 on PC on their own store and launcher.
They weren't third party then. Neither would Sony be if they had a PC store and launcher.

But when you sell your own games on someone else's store you are third party on that store.

And today Microsoft is third party on Steam, PlayStation, Switch. But they're still first party on Xbox and Microsoft Store.

And today Sony is third party on Steam. But they're still first party on PlayStation.

Microsoft Flight simulator was on Steam in 2014. They put most of their other games there in 2019. Again nobody was saying MS were third party in 2014 or 2019 at the beginning of the gen. They said it when xbox collapsed and they started releasing on PS.

 

[GHG]

Microsoft Flight simulator was on Steam in 2014. They put most of their other games there in 2019. Again nobody was saying MS were third party in 2014 or 2019 at the beginning of the gen. They said it when xbox collapsed and they started releasing on PS.

They also starting putting all their PC games on Steam from 2018 onwards, which started with Sunset Overdrive.

Didn't hear any talk about them being "third party" then either.

The way that some people have decided to suddenly change the definition of what it means to be a 3rd party publisher is the strangest coping mechanism I've seen yet.

 

[Fess]

Who cares about CCU

While it's not the only figure to look at it's definitely something lots of people care about today. And right or wrong there is math for everything, even how ccu relates to estimates on total sales.
DOOM The Dark Ages is assumed to have been a bit of a bomba, still peaked above TLOUP2, Spider-Man 2, Rift Apart, Returnal.
Highest ccu peak for Sony is Helldivers 2, at 458k. Day 1 on Steam. Hmm

Goal clearly not to launch under hype, but put it on a sales list and receive steady cashflow from hardcore pc, double-dippers, collectors, non-console territories etc.

Goal is to make money and I think they would make more money with day 1 PC releases from hype and talk and general positivity.

Why should be there hype on PC release. PC release is for PC crowd to remind them were Sony game should be played (on playstation). And their negativity should be channeled into obvious answer - buy playstation and don't wait.
Why Sony should pacify whiners when they are themselves to blame as they opt to wait late pc port instead of playing on playstation?

Lmao that's such a bad answer. There should be hype to sell more games. If there is no hype people might not even realize the game is out.

 

[Fess]

Microsoft Flight simulator was on Steam in 2014. They put most of their other games there in 2019. Again nobody was saying MS were third party in 2014 or 2019 at the beginning of the gen. They said it when xbox collapsed and they started releasing on PS.

AI says that Dovetail Games were the publisher for FSX Steam Edition in 2014. But imo it doesn't matter what anybody says, I can't see how you can be a first party publisher on someone else's store, you're by definition third party at that point on that store.
But you can still be a first party publisher on your own store though, that's what people seem to have trouble accepting. Microsoft is still first party on Xbox and Microsoft store. And Sony is still first party on PlayStation store. No Steam release can change that.

 

[Bernardougf]

The series changed most of the stupid parts.

To even stupider ones.. its glorious.. they made Ellie a even more unlikeable character.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

Sony already is, for that reason I sold my PS5 and I don't miss it at all since almost everything recent is available on PC.

Catlady ?

Also : This...(supposedly) from Xbox to PC "transformation" where everyone and their grandmas "suddenly " turned into PC gamers on NeoGAF just to make a "point" towards the opposition will never cease to amaze me.
You know, suddenly, the PS has never really had any games if you were to go with these people's opinions

 

[Giallo Corsa]

just bringing returnsal to switch 2

I maen, ouy could hav Retursnsal to Swich2 btu itz a vaeri heard gaem.

 

[GigaBowser]

I maen, ouy could hav Retursnsal to Swich2 btu itz a vaeri heard gaem.

whhhhhaaaat ahhaha

 

[Felessan]

While it's not the only figure to look at it's definitely something lots of people care about today. And right or wrong there is math for everything, even how ccu relates to estimates on total sales.
DOOM The Dark Ages is assumed to have been a bit of a bomba, still peaked above TLOUP2, Spider-Man 2, Rift Apart, Returnal.

Again - who cares what "a lot of people care about"? Sony for sure doesn't care about those people
Real sales are not CCU numbers and we know that Sony earns a lot on their PC ports and they are highly, highly profitable for what they are.

Highest ccu peak for Sony is Helldivers 2, at 458k. Day 1 on Steam. Hmm

It's a GaaS and for GaaS it's important to be day1 on most relevant platforms.

Goal is to make money and I think they would make more money with day 1 PC releases from hype and talk and general positivity.

Goal to make more money overall and not to make more money on sales of particular game.
Putting TLOU2 off PC for an year or two will force those who can't wait or fomo to buy playstation. Like GTA6 is expected to give a significant boost, especially as it's not on PC. And 1 bough Playstation is more for Sony than several sold copies of a game, because it start to accumulate other revenues from it - accessories, 3rd party games/mtx, subscriptions etc. and those are high margin products for Sony.
So every game should be checked first at how it can entice people buy platform, and thus it should be delayed on other platforms, some perks should be PS exclusive etc. before cost of opportunity become null and it's more profitable to finally put game to other platforms to grab cashflow from catalog sales.

Lmao that's such a bad answer. There should be hype to sell more games. If there is no hype people might not even realize the game is out.

It's perfect answer and show that you just don't understand how it works.
Sony knows its stuff - for hype spike it will sell game only on console to sell those consoles. It's their primary goal (not to sell some game copies to PC fomos). When hype dies - sales does not. They slow down, but they are still here. And people do remember about existence of games, especially games with big names. Also all that hate do help with word of mouth, bad publicity is still publicity.
Just from recent Capcom report - 75% of game sales are catalog sales, means that they are at least 1yo. Nobody market them anymore, but they continue to sell slowly and a sheer number of titles makes up for lack of hype and games being relatively old.

I do understand that PC crowd kinda disheartened that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, but for Sony from business prospective it's an optimal way as it maximize gains.

 

[Fake]

To even stupider ones.. its glorious.. they made Ellie a even more unlikeable character.

They at least admited that Joel and his brother giving up his name was idiot.

In the series Dina give up Joels name by mistake, with is more believable.

 

[playbignbox]

Catlady ?

Also : This...(supposedly) from Xbox to PC "transformation" where everyone and their grandmas "suddenly " turned into PC gamers on NeoGAF just to make a "point" towards the opposition will never cease to amaze me.
You know, suddenly, the PS has never really had any games if you were to go with these people's opinions

It's not "supposedly", I sold my Xbox Series X and my PlayStation 5 and with the money from the sale I built a PC.

And I didn't do it just to "make a point" on NeoGAF, I did it because it was more advantageous: I have access to practically the same games, and with the value of both consoles I built a PC that runs the games with better performance.

I know that for a fanboy like you it's hard to believe, but you don't need to swear loyalty to any brand and you can do whatever is most advantageous for you.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

It's not "supposedly", I sold my Xbox Series X and my PlayStation 5 and with the money from the sale I built a PC.

And I didn't do it just to "make a point" on NeoGAF, I did it because it was more advantageous: I have access to practically the same games, and with the value of both consoles I built a PC that runs the games with better performance.

I know that for a fanboy like you it's hard to believe, but you don't need to swear loyalty to any brand and you can do whatever is most advantageous for you.

A "fanboy" like me

You on the other hand :

It's funny to see Sony fanboys criticizing or dismissing GamePass.

Top 10 most popular games this week on PlayStation 5:

6/10 games on GamePass.

Sony doesn't need to learn any lessons man, leave Sony alone.

Their game production is great, everyone loves woke/DEI/GaaS stuff and 1-2 games a year is a great amount. PS Plus is an excellent service getting games like Suicide Squad and Dragon Age Veilguard this year. I hope they do more remasters and remakes too.

Best gen ever.

But NeoGAF NPCs when a game performs well on Game Pass: "AnD wHaT aBoUt tHe sTeAm sAlEs hUh??"
lmao

GamePass is unstoppable

Why don't you complain about Sony's pathetic service instead of complaining about those who are comparing it to GamePass? The price is very similar for this discrepancy in quality, don't you think?

Most of the people on this forum who criticize are Sony fanboys who say they don't like rental services, while they subscribe to PS Plus, a very inferior service.

You think that people are that stupid ?

See, I keep saying that zealots/shills like you should be the last ones throwing stones, also, somehow all of you seem to suffer from a severe lack of self awareness.

Besides, you've been registered since last September and you've being going pretty comfortably hard from day1, ergo, you're just another Alt, at the very least, have the decency to A) not get banned in the 1st place and B) Not to come back crawling with a different name after (A) happens.

 

[playbignbox]

A "fanboy" like me

You on the other hand :












You think that people are that stupid ?

See, I keep saying that zealots/shills like you should be the last ones throwing stones, also, somehow all of you seem to suffer from a severe lack of self awareness.

Besides, you've been registered since last September and you've being going pretty comfortably hard from day1, ergo, you're just another Alt, at the very least, have the decency to A) not get banned in the 1st place and B) Not to come back crawling with a different name after (A) happens.

Dude, you're pathetic, you keep jumping to conclusions. Things like "supposedly" or that I'm some alt.

What's hard to understand is that I bought the PlayStation because of the exclusives and now that they're coming to PC I sold it? Is it really that hard? Explain to me in your fanboy mind WHY it's so hard.

By the way, I keep calling you a fanboy because you keep trying to appeal to the personal side just because I'm commenting on the decision I made, why does this bother you so much that you keep creating theories about me?

 

[yogaflame]

Now that Sony market capital hits $160 billion and fiscal earning for 2024 is bigger than Xbox and Nintendo, now its time to become third party publisher. Is there logic in this statement?

 

[Fess]

I do understand that PC crowd kinda disheartened that they are treated as 2nd class citizens, but for Sony from business prospective it's an optimal way as it maximize gains.

I really don't see it. Have you looked at some numbers on how much they make from PC ports? Around the Insomniac leak or maybe the ABK trial (don't remember) it was essentially peanuts. Some here questioned why they even do it, in the end it was said that Nixxes porting games over a year or two was cheap so it's okay. It's definitely not something that could be phrased as maximizing gains. It's mostly a bit extra on top of what they already have.

Also, if people would buy the PS5 versions out of fomo instead of waiting for PC versions, shouldn't we see higher sales numbers on PS5 while the games are still exclusive?
They're currently near 80m on hardware. There shouldn't be 3m sellers for GOTY awarded games with no PC port out yet.

Tbh I don't think PC-only people buy consoles and I don't think console-only people are buying PCs. I think it's two markets and when you combine them on something great with maximized hype you end up with Helldivers 2 and Elden Ring and Baldur's Gate 3 etc.

 

[nick776]

I think eventually they will put everything on PC day one

What has happened to the video game industry? What is causing so many games to fail so miserably that entire teams are closed. Then, the decent games that make it to launch are either very costly or received with mediocre reviews at best. Is Nintendo our last hope to revive things?

 

[drganon]

Dude, you're pathetic, you keep jumping to conclusions. Things like "supposedly" or that I'm some alt.

What's hard to understand is that I bought the PlayStation because of the exclusives and now that they're coming to PC I sold it? Is it really that hard? Explain to me in your fanboy mind WHY it's so hard.

By the way, I keep calling you a fanboy because you keep trying to appeal to the personal side just because I'm commenting on the decision I made, why does this bother you so much that you keep creating theories about me?

He doesn't have to make up any theories, you are a pathetic fanboy.

 

[SILKYSMOOTH30FPS]

I hope they do. After the ps5, i just don't want any Sony systems, but if Sony gets their shit together, and gets back at pumping bangers, missing them all would suck.

 

[Felessan]

I really don't see it. Have you looked at some numbers on how much they make from PC ports? Around the Insomniac leak or maybe the ABK trial (don't remember) it was essentially peanuts. Some here questioned why they even do it, in the end it was said that Nixxes porting games over a year or two was cheap so it's okay. It's definitely not something that could be phrased as maximizing gains. It's mostly a bit extra on top of what they already have.

The point is to get extra on top not impacting their ecosystem. Sony earns half a billion of essentially free money, not affecting their own platform.
Exclusives sells platform - this is proven fact over years. So first this factor should be negated - i.e. sales potential of both game and it's "platform selling power" should be exhausted. And then Sony can monetize retained value of game by selling it on other platforms. Putting game on other platforms day1 will kill this "exclusives sell platform", and as platform sales are so much bigger than game sales, it's economically non-viable alternative.

Also, if people would buy the PS5 versions out of fomo instead of waiting for PC versions, shouldn't we see higher sales numbers on PS5 while the games are still exclusive?
They're currently near 80m on hardware. There shouldn't be 3m sellers for GOTY awarded games with no PC port out yet.

We see a quite high sales numbers when games remains exclusive. And how much game sold is depending on particular game. Not every game is for everyone, you can't judge game by abstract number of 3mil without taking into account what game is, what it's target demographics, how this demographics align with current console demographics (and how it can widen/improve demographics).
Like astrobot is not exactly playstation game, PS5 playerbase are older, children targeted games have low penetration. But having such games make platform more attractive to family-gaming strata and over time sales should slowly gather.

Tbh I don't think PC-only people buy consoles and I don't think console-only people are buying PCs. I think it's two markets and when you combine them on something great with maximized hype you end up with Helldivers 2 and Elden Ring and Baldur's Gate 3 etc.

Of course some of them do. General mass of people are not die-hard forum enthusiasts of particular platform, they migrate from platform to platform if there is enough incentive and perceived value in it.
Take WuKong as example - it's success led to PS5 sold out in PC-dominated China. Because game is demanding and "average" PC provide non-satisfactory IQ. And many opted to upgrade to PS5, as it's cheaper and provide more value for money than upgrade PC.
Same true for any shift in perceived value, FOMO included, if there is enough value (games/opportunity of games you can play now and not wait for years) compared to cost, some people will shift.

This is why Sony opt to lose some day1 sales of game and get some day1 sales of PS5, compared to ER and BG those don't have their own platform to sell. Sony gets more from PS5 sold on back of exclusive game launch than lost from reduced number of game copies sold.

 

[Fess]

Putting game on other platforms day1 will kill this "exclusives sell platform"

As said I don't think there is any serious move between PC and console for exclusives. And the way they currently do it they're giving up this hyped up exclusivity power for pocket money.

I'm glad they're doing it since I play all their games on PC now, sometimes with upgrades. But I just don't understand why they don't do more with what they have.

PlayStation ain't going anywhere, they won't lose the AAA console market, they own it, they're close to having complete monopoly. So they could do whatever and still have that. And then they could also release their games to a bigger audience day 1 and even do bigger upgrades to gain more hype instead of these barely even 1:1 conversions years later at full price that don't really stir up any excitement. They'll still max out at around 100m this generation no matter what. They'll just do it with more money.

 

[playbignbox]

He doesn't have to make up any theories, you are a pathetic fanboy.

You're another pathetic fanboy, emote boy.

By the way, maybe guys like you, Giallo Corsa or demigod are all the same person lmao

You can keep creating theories to discredit my opinion, it doesn't make it any less true and valid. You guys can keep crying in every thread about it, pathetic fanboys.

 

[Giallo Corsa]

Dude, you're pathetic, you keep jumping to conclusions. Things like "supposedly" or that I'm some alt.

What's hard to understand is that I bought the PlayStation because of the exclusives and now that they're coming to PC I sold it? Is it really that hard? Explain to me in your fanboy mind WHY it's so hard.

Do you even read what you write ?
And I'm the weird one for pointing out the hypocrisy ?

Fookin' hell man, always playing the victim when pants start dropping, have some decency at least

You're another pathetic fanboy, emote boy.

By the way, maybe guys like you, Giallo Corsa or demigod are all the same person lmao

You can keep creating theories to discredit my opinion, it doesn't make it any less true and valid. You guys can keep crying in every thread about it, pathetic fanboys.

Gets caught with his pants down writing inflammatory, fanboy wars-y posts, calls others "fanboys" and starts crying over being the victim, you can't make this shit up...

Again, absolutely zero self awareness, it's like living in cuckoo land...

PS: absolutely an alt account, you're being way too comfortable like this ain't your 1st tour

 

[DragonNCM]

I think eventually they will put everything on PC day one

So you say MS was in head of time ?

 

[Felessan]

And the way they currently do it they're giving up this hyped up exclusivity power for pocket money.

Extra few millions sales of 1st party on other platform are pocket money for Sony. Selling 1st party is not its business, they are only 10% of unit sales and revenue wise it should be around 2% of playstation business.
Sony earns 25 billions on their ecosystem, another 2-3 mil copies sold will not move a needle, but can potentially harm main business.

And Sony, unlike guessing crowd "I don't think so" has hard metrics at their disposal so they can analyze whether there is an impact or not.

 

[demigod]

Do you even read what you write ?
And I'm the weird one for pointing out the hypocrisy ?

Fookin' hell man, always playing the victim when pants start dropping, have some decency at least


Gets caught with his pants down writing inflammatory, fanboy wars-y posts, calls others "fanboys" and starts crying over being the victim, you can't make this shit up...

Again, absolutely zero self awareness, it's like living in cuckoo land...

PS: absolutely an alt account, you're being way too comfortable like this ain't your 1st tour

He's definitely an alt. I wouldn't waste my time with that scrub.

Loser had to tag me into this useless of a thread.

 

[playbignbox]

Do you even read what you write ?
And I'm the weird one for pointing out the hypocrisy ?

Fookin' hell man, always playing the victim when pants start dropping, have some decency at least


Gets caught with his pants down writing inflammatory, fanboy wars-y posts, calls others "fanboys" and starts crying over being the victim, you can't make this shit up...

Again, absolutely zero self awareness, it's like living in cuckoo land...

PS: absolutely an alt account, you're being way too comfortable like this ain't your 1st tour

What's the hypocrisy? I had the console and I feel comfortable criticizing the bad things about it, or should I praise PS Plus or Sony's woke games so as not to hurt your feelings?

I'm not playing the victim. I posted my opinion according to the topic and you responded by suggesting that it was a lie and that I'm a banned alt. Everyone can go back and check the previous posts and see that you started it. Other users had already responded to this same post politely, without creating FALSE theories about me, and I responded to them with complete politeness.

That's why I feel comfortable calling you pathetic fanboys. You simply have no answer and are bothered to the point of taking a simple comment like "I sold my console and built a PC" personally. You even continue to suggest that I've already been banned from this forum, just because I don't share the same opinion as you. Anyway, pathetic.

I think we're done here.

 

[jumpship]

But at the same time, according to you, Xbox aren't despite them having released games day one on PC for 8 years at the time that you posted this:

Please help me make sense of all this.

Just gonna assume The_Mike never replied back to make sense of their own argument once you made it pretty obvious how logically flawed it is?

PlayStation IS 3rd Party for releasing on PC years later.
Xbox IS NOT 3rd Party for releasing on PC day one.

You can't make sense of that. The_Mike malfunctioned when simply asked to explain the logic.

We have extreme brand loyalty based coping and Illogical arguments dominating the gaming sphere meant to be taken seriously as normal topic of debate. it's madness.

 

[RCX]

They're a third party that happens to not publish on xbox.

Because they like to sell games.

 

[Hector Hall]

Since some Sony first party games now cost 200 to 300 million to develop and most Live Service games from Sony have failed (Except for Helldivers 2) Does it still make sense for Sony to produce consoles at all? Especially since they are getting even more expensive over time. I don't even want to see the Ps6 launch price.

They are also slowly making themselves comfortable on the PC. Live service games should probably cushion the immense costs of the single player games. But now that most of that has been dropped, does it make any sense for Sony to continue like this?

Dude, let's be clear here.

They are not comfortable in the PC space, their "Other Software" numbers are terrible,torrents are on the millions for each game released and they have to pay Gaben for the few sold.

Their main income comes from selling third party software on their ecosystem(as Steam) , that and now the subscription services. Hardware and accessories too, but console itself is sold at cost so it's big income but no profits.

Thing is, unlike Steam they have to actually sell consoles to have people in their ecosystem. So, they will remain in the console business, probably for a long time.

As for the 1st party games, they will have to adjust their budget, but it's the icing on the cake. At worst, they can have them being a bit deficit art but just to attract millions of gamers to the true business :royalties on games/microtransactions and subscription.

 

[Hector Hall]

They're a third party that happens to not publish on xbox.

Because they like to sell games.

It also happens that they don't publish on Nintendo.
And they don't publish everything on PC.

 

[RCX]

It also happens that they don't publish on Nintendo.
And they don't publish everything on PC.

They did that Horizon Lego thing.

Not saying it was a banger, but they're obviously flirting with the idea. Could see them expanding that with Switch 2.