Will Sony become third party publisher?

Why would they do that? The other consoles will always be the competition as long as they sell hardware and services. PlayStation customers first and PC second, they're the target, there's nothing else.

Microsoft has become third by survival, as its strategy failed; any other company would have shut down.
 
So again for anyone else reading, I literally never said it and he's so stubborn he can't even acknowledge it. Just 100% made up.

I think the answer to your question is more nuanced than you're really capable of processing. The role of consoles and PC is changing. MS barely even acknowledged PC and Steam ran away with it. Consoles are becoming more similar to PC. PC is becoming more similar to console. PC is getting more Japanese games this gen which was previously unheard of, which was the main reason for consoles. The whole gaming landscape has completely changed since 2014. Console players are more aware of high performance settings now and pro consoles when they were playing sub-30 fps before. Almost everyone is full digital now also.

Or do you think its that everyone was so pro MS during the Xbone era that everyone conspired to not discuss it so they could wait 10 years and shame Sony? You are consumed by a desire to paint Sony as a victim and to troll.

Nah, I was posting here when Xbox decided to start porting their games to PC and none of the discussion centered around them being considered to be a "3rd party publisher". There's not a huge difference between what the experience was like being a PC gamer in 2015 compared to what it is now either (other than it being a whole lot more affordable then compared to what it is now), so that doesn't wash either.

And for what it's worth, on PC specifically there is no distinction between 1st/3rd party etc since the platform isn't wholly owned by anyone.
 
You've just made the argument of excising PC ports all together. No ambiguity of release on another platform = force to ensure that the person buys the first party platform and the game sooner to its initial release. There's practically zero chance that that doesn't net more money on that purchase and over the long term. Exactly as it was for 20 years before the PS5 and as it continues to be the case for Nintendo. So much so that they can charge 80 dollars for the next fucking Mario Kart.
They can't remove PC ports now, would just result in increased negativity online and they'll sell even less games. Literally.

I think it will be very clear going forward that multi store releases is the way to do it. Once Microsoft start doing day 1 everytime on PlayStation and hopefully Switch 2 you'll see their games on sales top lists everywhere. They're already high up on some lists.
 
Not likely, specially with their most direct competition throwing the towel. As for streaming services, I don't believe it will be of any consequence anytime soon. Not matter how good the internet will become, it will never beat the code running on your console under the TV.
 
They already are to a certain extent. Perhaps with the failures of their live service attempts eating up tons of money it may lead to more aggressive third party output. Anything is possible.
 
Sony published Final Fantasy VII on PC in 1998. So the answer is both yes and no. They are a third party publisher already, but are they gonna drop their hardware. At this point probably not..it's the one thing that's actually working consistently.
 
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They can't remove PC ports now, would just result in increased negativity online and they'll sell even less games. Literally.
Of all the things that can and have brought on negativity to PS, returning to actual exclusivity isn't one of them.
And here's the thing - when you account for the fact that PC gamers buy games at extremely reduced prices on average and that Sony only gets 70% of that for their first parties, selling slightly fewer games (and it's funny, they seem to be selling fewer games being on PC than they were off of it) and more consoles is absolutely the most financially sound decision. Because you're making it out like these ports are selling 5 million apiece which is not true. And if/when the double dip effect trails off, the paltry numbers now will look like smash successes.

I think it will be very clear going forward that multi store releases is the way to do it. Once Microsoft start doing day 1 everytime on PlayStation and hopefully Switch 2 you'll see their games on sales top lists everywhere. They're already high up on some lists.
Being high up on lists means nothing in itself. You're conflating monthly sales ranking with actual numbers - in a set of months where very little of consequence has actually released to this point. Multiplatform publishers release Day One all the time and get to the top of lists every month, it doesn't mean they're actually doing that well. See: Ubisoft.

And why do we have to wait before they go day one on other consoles? They've been day one on PC for years. So much for Doom Dark Ages, Hellblade 2, South of Midnight, Indiana Jones, Starfield, Halo Infinite, and the list goes on.

After spending years coping that Microsoft's Gamepass initiative was a good idea, I guess we'll have to spend the rest of the decade debating Microsoft's multiplatformist strategy. Spoilers: It isn't working and won't work in future.
 
lolz, they have no reason to be, they actually move monster units same with Nintendo.
 
For me it depends how many hardware gens we have left before they all become streaming services you subscribe to.

If its like 4 or 5 gens then 100% they will start putting games on other hardware (they already are with PC), unless devs find new graphic techniques that significantly reduce dev costs.

If we only have a couple of hardware gens left then probably not.

I do hope it happens though just to see how the narrative changes into it being a 'good' thing to put games on other consoles, and 100% 'understandable'.
This is not like watching tv lol, Streaming games will always will just a small niche, local will always be better, consoles will always exist, even if there is only one platform,
 
Doubt unless they make another ps3-like misstep. They're already releasing games on PC and getting some extra profits, pretty sure that's enough. Even released the Lego horizon game on Switch.
 
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Only in limited circumstances - where contracts require it (like MLB the Show) or with games that make sense to port to PC or Switch (like Lego Horizon). Losses caused by GaaS development they'll angle for tax write-offs on then increase PS+ prices.

Porting to Xbox would be throwing a lifeline to a competitor that could, at any time, fire Phil Spencer and put someone competent in charge, which would put Sony's position at risk.
 
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Damn, this is crazy. In the universe that I'm originally from they only make threads like this about Nintendo.

lol to be fair, back when a lot of people were talking about that, the company literally only moved 14 million Wii Us, they had to do a fucking hailmary to get out of that one and now that topic is in the past.

MS has run out of those and it seems more likely to continue the path of being a 3rd party publisher, where Sony is still moving monster units.

So only a handful of companies have had home consoles flop to such a degree and Sony isn't one of em..
 
If Sony stops making consoles then Xbox Game Pass will collapse

Because for developers to make money there needs to be a way to buy games

For developers, Game Pass works as a form of advertising and PS5 is like the store
 
Sony can hide behind Namco Bandai all they want, but they are a third party publisher. They released Freedom Wars and Patapon on Switch.
 
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This thread is just proof that Xbox customers don't even understand why Xbox failed.
In fact, they don't even understand the failure happened.

When a console fail, their market collapses. That means a loss of third party game releases on it as it becomes non-viable to launch new games on it. This includes even First Party games. This is why Xbox was forced to release their games on PlayStation; their own console market isn't big enough to support game releases anymore.

Xbox fans completely failed to grasp this. The same way they don't understand that their refuse to pay for games is part of why it all fell down. To even ask why Sony won't release on Xbox is to deny that the Xbox market don't really exist anymore. Sony wouldn't release on Xbox because Xbox market is too small to be worth it. Xbox is releasing on PlayStation because PS's market is large, healthy and profitable to release on.

To boil it down, Xbox lost the console war, so now its position in gaming is in tatters and does not have a future as hardware. So it is not profitable to make an effort making an Xbox version of the game. Xbox customers still think the corpse is alive and wondering why people are leaving.

It's just a little sad to watch people stuck in the denial phase. I want Sega hardware to come back too, we just don't get to have what we want.
 
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It's amazing how a group of people always think xbox doing something (because they're struggling) is market foresight that will have PS following suit.

I remember the same crap with Gamepass. How Sony needed to copy them and offer first party games on their sub day one. That didn't work out and MS removed day one from standard even . Now that xbox has gone third party they think it's some amazing move that will, no, must have PS following soon too. Same crap, different day.
 
It's amazing how a group of people always think xbox doing something (because they're struggling) is market foresight that will have PS following suit.

I remember the same crap with Gamepass. How Sony needed to copy them and offer first party games on their sub day one. That didn't work out and MS removed day one from standard even . Now that xbox has gone third party they think it's some amazing move that will, no, must have PS following soon too. Same crap, different day.

Yea, instead trend setting Sony bet everything on GAAS, the masterminds

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It's the most profitable generation ever for Sony. PS5 is neck and neck with PS4, without needing any price cuts, and GTA6 hasn't even launched yet. It's got the most anemic first party support ever due to the GAAS failures. And yet the thing still sells.

They're going nowhere.
 
Coincidentally showing that following MS isn't wise?

By kneecapping its whole output and losing $billions?

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Much better to throw an entire generation output under the bus than offering those damn hippies a service where they can pay monthly fee to play games! #4thegamers
 
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The greed's got Sony now. To create their "most profitable generation ever" they hiked their prices on literally everything. Yet, finger in the air, most people think this is Sony's worst generation in terms of first party output. Once their profits slow as they continue to ramp up their pricing while underdelivering, their shareholders will demand they do something to get their games selling more copies. And the only way to sell more copies will be to sell to more people. They've already started doing this on PC, so they'll likely shift to day one releases for their first parties. With Microsoft moving their platform to incorporate Steam, that would mean Sony's now releasing their titles day and date on their competitor's hardware. Those green bars have to keep going up, so I imagine this is an inevitability.
 
The crazy thing is, I'm pretty confident that the "rising dev costs" are really just massive mismanagement, increased executive payroll, absurd abvertisement spending including paying stupid streamers

It isn't about sacrificing your brand in the long run to make a few extra bucks (Xbox), it's about finding ways to decrease overhead WITHOUT taking the easy route of layoffs

The fact that AA games come out every year and blow Ubisoft slop away, tells you that it's a development cycle mismanagement.

Sony unfortunately is becoming Ubisoft. They're just wanting to shell out bloated open world games now… Horizon, Ghosts, Spider-Man…

Plus, if PlayStation doesn't have a PlayStation, they're toasts against Xbox's money and Gamepass
 
By kneecapping its whole output and losing $billions?

Season 3 GIF by Parks and Recreation


Much better to throw an entire generation output under the bus than offering those damn hippies a service where they can pay monthly fee to play games! #4thegamers

Sure, but what makes you believe that Sony were "trendsetters" with GaaS? If anything they were amazingly late following the likes of other publishers including MS and Valve. Their so called "kneecapped output" got them 2 GOTYs last year too and you guessed it one of them is a really popular GaaS game. Nobody thought the sky is falling because of Crackdown 3 or the 343i shitshow. Looking forward to death stranding 2 very very soon while you continue to be offended by what I've said. Just because xbox did shit and went third party people are projecting that onto PS just like they did about them needing day one games on a service.
 
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They already are. They put their games on PC, and I believe there are a few games on Xbox. MLB The Show, comes to mind.
Before during ABK trial: "MLB made them do it or they lose the licence, they're going to take away Bungie games too"
Now when MS went third party: "Sony want to go third party, look at MLB and Marathon"
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On topic nobody considers PC games as third party, even day one let alone year(s) late, otherwise MS have been third party since 2015 and this conversation would have come up then. Nobody was talking about MS going third party in 2015 though, everybody considers MS going third party as a recent occurrence when they started to go to Playstation and Switch.
 
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3rd pt as they will release every game on every platform in same day? probly never, 3rd pt as they will priority their platform 1st and give other atleast 1 year delay? more like it
 
It's amazing how a group of people always think xbox doing something (because they're struggling) is market foresight that will have PS following suit.

I remember the same crap with Gamepass. How Sony needed to copy them and offer first party games on their sub day one. That didn't work out and MS removed day one from standard even . Now that xbox has gone third party they think it's some amazing move that will, no, must have PS following soon too. Same crap, different day.
A lot of their fanbase is either extremely gullible or paid plants. There doesn't seem to be a middle ground.
 
People are buying Xbox games instead of first party Playstation games. They're getting 30% instead of 100% and it's killing their profit margins because of all their live service failures. Astro Bot hasn't even sold 3 million yet. Forza sold 1.4 million in a month and will pass Astro Bot by Christmas. It's dire at PlayStation studios, hence why they kicked Ryan and Hulst to the curb and out of the decision making chair.
You need less jrpgs and more brain cells.
 
It would be funny to see Sony go third Party and pull the rug out from under Microsoft when Xbox is seeming to have some success on the platform.

Of course, for this to happen to Sony would signal something larger going on in the video game industry anyway.
 
"Sony too" wishfull thinking is really strong among some supporter of particular failed platform holder
As long as Sony makes billion ripping 30% of 3rd party on it's closed ecosystem, things will remain the same.
1st party sales are pennies for Sony, defending their cut is what matters (so day 1 is unlikely, same as abandoning hardware)

Absolutely. They're going to have to make up the losses of their terrible acquisitions this generation.
They already did it on 3rd party GaaS games

I think it will be very clear going forward that multi store releases is the way to do it. Once Microsoft start doing day 1 everytime on PlayStation and hopefully Switch 2 you'll see their games on sales top lists everywhere. They're already high up on some lists.
And result is that MS hardware sales collapsed
 
Yeah when top tier streaming makes everything including your elite pc obsolete they will be 3rd party until then they will continue to be the mainstream gaming console of choice
 
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