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Will Steam be on Project Helix?

Yay or Nay?

  • YAY!

    Votes: 95 70.9%
  • NAY! 🫤

    Votes: 39 29.1%

  • Total voters
    134
Added benefits to MS or the consumer? If you question the benefit to MS, then I would say it's an attempt to secure Windows position as the place where gamers play on PC. This along with incidental revenue from PC Game Pass and the customers that choose to use the Xbox store.

Edit: To be specific, to combat SteamOS
At the core, I believe Helix is still very much an Xbox console.

Sure PC and traditional consoles both play video games, but there's fundamental differences between the two on how both operate. The gap isn't as wide as before, but the open-endedness of PC is what sets it apart from a PS5/Series X.

Overall, Microsoft doesn't need a living room box to still dominate the PC space.
 
To who?

Since you think Steam won't be on the next Xbox.. who is going to forgo a gaming PC to get a Helix just because it has Backwards Compatability with old Xbox generations, that isn't already an Xbox gamer?

Who are these people who can't just... buy an existing Xbox to play these games, but would abandon PC gaming or maybe Playstation to go to the Helix "competitor" because it can play old Xbox titles?
PC hardware is still way more expensive than consoles, so it's still a viable selling point.

Or even for someone like me, I'd rather not be bothered with hardware configurations just in order to play a video game. I'll take the optimized console version any day.
 
If they do that, they guarantee a sale with me, not joking at all. I got a hell of a collection over those years, and though I'm pretty much all PC these days, I'd buy to keep that. Would just toss it on my downstairs living room TV. Wouldn't be a revolutionary product by any stretch, but it would fit my need.
The first party machine will have it, BC that is
 
The first party machine will have it, BC that is
I have no way to prove it, but I think ALL Magnus powered devices will be branded Xbox, and ALL will have Console BC up until the Unified GDK Xbox PC/Helix SKU supercedes. Regardless of being first or 3rd party, the Xbox branding is more important for BC.

BC is built into all 5 RDNA5 GPU dies, but it would only activate when paired up with Magnus CPU SOC. So Magnus powered Handhelds, Laptops, PCs, Consoles, Cloud will all have BC. The Unified GDK Universal Xbox PC/Helix SKU provides the Forwards Compatibility.

Magnus is the key to Project Helix. Up to 3 consoles, entry level console with 24 CUs, midrange console with 48 CUs, premium flagship console with 68 CUs.

Jez stated Asus will be releasing an Xbox PC this year, using the same Z2E AI chip that's inside the Xbox Ally X handheld. That would pretty much confirm next gen Handhelds and Entry Level PCs/Consoles using the same chip. So when devs optimize for handhelds, they would technically be optimizing for Entry level device too.
 
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I'm leaning towards no. A very strong no. Doesn't make much sense business wise in my eyes plus I'm sure Microsoft would love to establish a strong competitor to Steam...having it on your hybrid console wouldn't be ideal.
Doesn't make much sense not to. What is xbox protecting right now? If anything leaning into Steam is probably the only chance they have.
 
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Xbox's future BC strategy is going to look extremely similar to Nintendo's virtual console I believe. They will no longer be providing BC for "Free".

Either local emulation or BC is going to be a streaming solution through Game Pass.
 
PC hardware is still way more expensive than consoles, so it's still a viable selling point.

Or even for someone like me, I'd rather not be bothered with hardware configurations just in order to play a video game. I'll take the optimized console version any day.
Yeah but are you a PC gamer?

You don't sound like it.
 
They should bet on themselves.

Microsoft has the resources to, at any time they wish, become the most impressive software and entertainment company of all time. Xbox started with a flashbang and then management just got worse for 20 years. After that much time betting on themselves the boss took it away.
 
Epic Game Store might be it primarily, outside of Xbox/Microsoft store.

True, true. It's entirely possible that the new Xbox will play PC games but only from Epic, since they haven't confirmed Steam yet.

But both the EGS and Steam games appear (now) in the Xbox UI on PC. Epic has not been confirmed either. What is the difference with the available information we have, besides cope?
 
At the core, I believe Helix is still very much an Xbox console.

Sure PC and traditional consoles both play video games, but there's fundamental differences between the two on how both operate. The gap isn't as wide as before, but the open-endedness of PC is what sets it apart from a PS5/Series X.

Overall, Microsoft doesn't need a living room box to still dominate the PC space.
It's not.
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Yeah but are you a PC gamer?

You don't sound like it.
No, I'm not.
True, true. It's entirely possible that the new Xbox will play PC games but only from Epic, since they haven't confirmed Steam yet.

But both the EGS and Steam games appear (now) in the Xbox UI on PC. Epic has not been confirmed either. What is the difference with the available information we have, besides cope?
Nothing really.
It's not.
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Not sure what I should be reading.
 
I'm leaning towards no. A very strong no. Doesn't make much sense business wise in my eyes plus I'm sure Microsoft would love to establish a strong competitor to Steam...having it on your hybrid console wouldn't be ideal.
Are you really as dumb as you portray yourself or do you do it for laughs?
 
I have no way to prove it, but I think ALL Magnus powered devices will be branded Xbox, and ALL will have Console BC up until the Unified GDK Xbox PC/Helix SKU supercedes. Regardless of being first or 3rd party, the Xbox branding is more important for BC.

BC is built into all 5 RDNA5 GPU dies, but it would only activate when paired up with Magnus CPU SOC. So Magnus powered Handhelds, Laptops, PCs, Consoles, Cloud will all have BC. The Unified GDK Universal Xbox PC/Helix SKU provides the Forwards Compatibility.

Magnus is the key to Project Helix. Up to 3 consoles, entry level console with 24 CUs, midrange console with 48 CUs, premium flagship console with 68 CUs.

Jez stated Asus will be releasing an Xbox PC this year, using the same Z2E AI chip that's inside the Xbox Ally X handheld. That would pretty much confirm next gen Handhelds and Entry Level PCs/Consoles using the same chip. So when devs optimize for handhelds, they would technically be optimizing for Entry level device too.
Hardware BC likely won't be needed as such, as xbox one/series software is hardware agnostic and runs in a virtualised environment through Hypervisor. There'll likely be a hardware "key" that unlocks BC inside licenced helix devices and it'll be a software based thing that actually makes it happen.
 
I feel like there's going to be some caveat we simply don't know about yet. Like it has steam but not the same way it does a standard pc.
 
I feel like there's going to be some caveat we simply don't know about yet. Like it has steam but not the same way it does a standard pc.
MS loves subscriptions. If anyone could convince Steam and other storefronts to gatekeep features or even complete access through subscriptions it will be them.
 
From a logical standpoint, it wouldn't make sense to give space to a competing store so it can take a cut of your profits, right? But Xbox seems so desperate right now that anything feels possible.
 
MS loves subscriptions. If anyone could convince Steam and other storefronts to gatekeep features or even complete access through subscriptions it will be them.
Yeah something exactly like this. A new tier or existing tier of gamepass that has access to steam store. If this is the case than I'd lose any interest in it. I'm only interested if it has steam the same way my steamdeck does.
 
From a logical standpoint, it wouldn't make sense to give space to a competing store so it can take a cut of your profits, right? But Xbox seems so desperate right now that anything feels possible.
It's not about being desperate. MS goal is to create an open platform with hardware created by OEMs. In order to do that, they need devices with the largest TAM aka Total Addressable Market. Meaning hardware that can appeal to both PC and Console users to be able to increase potential sales volume.

That's why Steam and other PC stores are allowed. But it will still be curated experience.
 
Pretty sure that've already said or at least hinted that Helix will support 3rd party storefronts like Steam. I do agree that business wise I don't understand what they're doing. They put up the money to do R&D and release a machine that they'll make a one time nominal profit on. Then allow the userbase to just install Steam where MS will make zero revenue on those digial purchases with the exeption of their own games. Steam is just laughing all the way to the bank at that point.
 
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Pretty sure that've already said or at least hinted that Helix will support 3rd party storefronts like Steam. I do agree that business wise I don't understand what they're doing. They put up the money to do R&D and release a machine that they'll make a one time nominal profit on. Then allow the userbase to just install Steam where MS will make zero revenue on those digial purchases with the exeption of their own games. Steam is just laughing all the way to the bank at that point.
You're assuming most of the Xbox userbase cares to buy from Steam except couple games.
 
You're assuming most of the Xbox userbase cares to buy from Steam except couple games.

I know I would if those are my options. Steam generally has lower prices, free online play, and better user experience. If my choices are buy it from the XBox store or Steam, I'm buying it from Steam 100% of the time.
 
I know I would if those are my options. Steam generally has lower prices, free online play, and better user experience. If my choices are buy it from the XBox store or Steam, I'm buying it from Steam 100% of the time.
Helix is reportedly going to have free Multiplayer.

The 35 million Gamepass users or Xbox fans with decades of libraries or those on xCloud or those who generally prefer the Xbox ecosystem, don't care where you like to buy.

Good thing about choice is, everyone has one, but don't speak for others.

Xbox ecosystem has various advantages Steam can't match. And that's all that MS needs to ensure the open platform is a success.
 
Helix is reportedly going to have free Multiplayer.

The 35 million Gamepass users or Xbox fans with decades of libraries or those on xCloud or those who generally prefer the Xbox ecosystem, don't care where you like to buy.

Good thing about choice is, everyone has one, but don't speak for others.

Xbox ecosystem has various advantages Steam can't match. And that's all that MS needs to ensure the open platform is a success.

But I am one of those 35m GP users. And I'm not speaking for anyone but myself. I'm simply giving my opinion on the topic of this thread.
 
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MS cannot afford to release another platform where none of its users actually buy games. It needs Steam and EGS and Gog and Humble and (etc etc) to even be viable.

They should also walk back their multiplatform release strategy like Sony is doing.
why would it endorse those other store sales giving up 30% of revenue to remain viable but exclude Sony and Nintendo? You might as well reach the massive Nintendo and Sony audience too if you're giving up 30% anyway, it would be far more beneficial than something like Humble.
 
Ms will prob get some kickback from these storefronts from people buying their games on magnus. Kinda the way all these streaming devices like roku, apple tv, firestick make their money. They all have the own storefronts to purchase content directly but I believe they get a kickback if say someone subscribes to Hulu/hbo/Netflix/etc via roku for example.
 
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Yeah, this is definitely a move to keep people on Windows and even get the existing player base on xbox to use Windows. It's actually a pretty smart move, people end up paying for the hardware and then MS gets to train all its AI slop using its customers.
 
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Xbox isn't going to stop it.

If steam doesn't want to get on the system, it could be the leg up EGS needs. Getting extra 10 million core users that use the store regularly will be a big get.
 
But I am one of those 35m GP users. And I'm not speaking for anyone but myself. I'm simply giving my opinion on the topic of this thread.
You spoke as if all Xbox users will start buying from Steam only. So you would rather give your money to further enrich a billionaire than to support the content creators directly? This is partly why Sony simply pulling out of PC, imagine if people had supported a Sony PC store?
 
So you would rather give your money to further enrich a billionaire than to support the content creators directly?
Bloody hell, did you forget that buying on the MS store enriches a trillion dollar company? Fail to see much difference to be honest, they all want your money. Plus if you do put Steam up against MS I guarantee the corpo BS will be stronger on the MS side.
 
You spoke as if all Xbox users will start buying from Steam only. So you would rather give your money to further enrich a billionaire than to support the content creators directly? This is partly why Sony simply pulling out of PC, imagine if people had supported a Sony PC store?

I have no idea what you're even talking about. No one is talking about content creators here. We're talking about buying games.
 
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