HerjansEagleFeeder
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I sure hope it ushers in an uptick in Steam users.
Will Switch 2 usher in a gaming market crash
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GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
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phant0m
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Did you mean boom OP? Because despite the big qq’s on GAF this shit is gonna sell hotcakes and inventory will sellout for the remainder of the year.
Hardware-wise they’ve done just about all you could ask while keeping the form factor. FHD, 120 hz, better joycons, mouse controls, additional USB-C port, active cooling in the dock.
If there’s a crash it’ll be because US has tariff’s everything to shit and consumers cut discretionary spending big time. But it won’t have anything to do with y’all being big mad that games are $80.
Hardware-wise they’ve done just about all you could ask while keeping the form factor. FHD, 120 hz, better joycons, mouse controls, additional USB-C port, active cooling in the dock.
If there’s a crash it’ll be because US has tariff’s everything to shit and consumers cut discretionary spending big time. But it won’t have anything to do with y’all being big mad that games are $80.
WhiteWaterM00se
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Wii U and Vita sold out at launch also. Do i think it will sell like those? No, it will outsell both in Switch 2’s first year on market.
I DO think by January 2026, it will be easy to find on store shelves in America.
ChorizoPicozo
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people are not happy
WhiteWaterM00se
Member
Yes, Nintendo has survey request up everywhere. If you know anything about Nintendo, this is how they gather information.
people are not happy
SubZero_Wins
Member
As a former console only user, It's so worth it. Sitting on a library of 400 plus games, Haven't spent full price on games in years. No regrets!
WhiteWaterM00se
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I agree. If devs and publishers were having a honest conversation with consumers and say look “$80-$90” w/ no microtransactions and some DLC included, i think consumers would agree.
Devs also need to start considering scope and size of games. Maybe games need to get smaller to keep dev cost down!?
simpatico
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So the industry was being held together by a $10 bill? Tbh it needs a crash. We all see how decrepit the big publishers have become. Nintendo was one of the few that has mostly maintained quality standards. Burning away some old growth would be very good for gaming consumers. Nothing corrects poor behavior better than an empty pantry.
Blank Space Invader
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"Will Switch 2 usher in a gaming market crash?"
When I slam dat ass in first place with a blue shell in Mario Kart World it will!
When I slam dat ass in first place with a blue shell in Mario Kart World it will!
viveks86
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Coincidence? Or are you twins separated at birth?
EDIT: Ohhhh thread title. I see what you did there.
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WhiteWaterM00se
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It will not sell that. I’ll make an avatar or account ban bet. It probably moves 12-16 million units for the end of the fiscal year.
If the world is in recession come this holiday season, kids are not getting a ton of Switch 2 under their trees. Not at those price points.
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
I’d say I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. But at this point, it’s clearly most people who are taking them. Y’all have gone batshit crazy.
I’m almost tempted to say in the most serious way that MS was incredibly clever in taking a step back and letting other companies bring to this market the bad news they were planning all along, and which Sony would have realized first if they didn’t have a terrible PR year in 2024. If you think Nintendo revealed in a single presentation something that would have never come to pass otherwise, like some scheming mastermind coming out of the shadows, you haven’t been paying attention to this market in the last decade. Good job getting distracted by the DEI and Sweet Baby bs, everyone. We’ve made our bed, and you can bet we’ll go to sleep soundly in it after a month or two of grumbling are over. You will never renounce your favorite piece of plastic or this hobby as long as you don’t have to choose between it and putting food on the table, and you know it.
I’m almost tempted to say in the most serious way that MS was incredibly clever in taking a step back and letting other companies bring to this market the bad news they were planning all along, and which Sony would have realized first if they didn’t have a terrible PR year in 2024. If you think Nintendo revealed in a single presentation something that would have never come to pass otherwise, like some scheming mastermind coming out of the shadows, you haven’t been paying attention to this market in the last decade. Good job getting distracted by the DEI and Sweet Baby bs, everyone. We’ve made our bed, and you can bet we’ll go to sleep soundly in it after a month or two of grumbling are over. You will never renounce your favorite piece of plastic or this hobby as long as you don’t have to choose between it and putting food on the table, and you know it.
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Nintendo getting bloodborne 2 first has really broken some of you. Holy shit.
Yet PlayStation has no qualm at all publishing games on Nintendo platforms:
Nor consumers have such issues preventing Nintendo Switch to become soon the best selling console of all time.
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So much doom and gloom Nintendo threading the last 24 hours really does reinforce the notion that GAF has turned into Sony Land. No Nintendo is not ushering in a market crash and there won't even be a crash in the East. It's Western developers who are bankrupt of creativity and ideas that will crash their own Western game development market. What happened to Microsoft and Xbox, is going to happen to everyone else in N. America and Europe.
Codes 208
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Short anwser is absolutely not because even if nintendo went off the deep end you still have ps5, xbox and steam to clean the mess. As for Nintendo themselves: At worst itll be a wii u situation (barely sell at all)
Buuut I’m expecting more of a 3ds launch situation. Itll be rough at first until nintendo pulls their heads out of their asses and drops the price (at least for the games) before tracking for fairly average sales. No chance in hell the S2 will hit S1 lifetime sales as-is
Buuut I’m expecting more of a 3ds launch situation. Itll be rough at first until nintendo pulls their heads out of their asses and drops the price (at least for the games) before tracking for fairly average sales. No chance in hell the S2 will hit S1 lifetime sales as-is
SiahWester
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A crash? It's not possible at this point because the gaming industry is so broad now. Theyll likely just push people to PC or other consoles.
Impotaku
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GAF has always had a high volume of ponies on here, but it looks like someone acidentally left the gate open after the nintendo direct and they all got out & started making threads.. The amount of FUD is wild but then again they have a lot of free time to post, not like they have much to play LOOL
Nintendo release a direct......
Meanwhile on GAF......
blacktout
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Come on now. We've seen plenty of online pricing backlashes in the past, and none of them have caused a market crash.
We saw this cycle over the Saturn, the PS3, the 3DS, the Wii U, the original Switch, the PS5 Pro, $70 games, and there are probably countless more instances that I'm forgetting.
Now, sometimes those backlashes seriously hampered the long-term prospects of the system (Saturn), sometimes they were a short-term speedbump (3DS, PS3), and sometimes they had no impact at all (Switch, possibly PS5 Pro), and it remains to be seen which category Switch 2 will fall into but it's not going to usher in a market crash just because the system is $50 more than expected and some games (well, one so far) are $10 more than expected.
We saw this cycle over the Saturn, the PS3, the 3DS, the Wii U, the original Switch, the PS5 Pro, $70 games, and there are probably countless more instances that I'm forgetting.
Now, sometimes those backlashes seriously hampered the long-term prospects of the system (Saturn), sometimes they were a short-term speedbump (3DS, PS3), and sometimes they had no impact at all (Switch, possibly PS5 Pro), and it remains to be seen which category Switch 2 will fall into but it's not going to usher in a market crash just because the system is $50 more than expected and some games (well, one so far) are $10 more than expected.
CuteFaceJay
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no, entertainment industry always does good during recession times. 2008 was peak for gaming while at the same time we had the financial crisis. gaming is the cheapest hobby and bang for buck.
LordOcidax
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Epic title
Kilau
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I read it as Will Smith and Usher gaming, otherwise I wouldn't have clicked it.
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QFT. It's been wild like Idon't recall ever seeing anything like it. In the past it was almost always balanced between PS/Xbox but this is some new shit and ngl it is entertaining and I'm here for itGAF has always had a high volume of ponies on here, but it looks like someone acidentally left the gate open after the nintendo direct and they all got out & started making threads.. The amount of FUD is wild but then again they have a lot of free time to post, not like they have much to play LOOL
Nintendo release a direct......
Meanwhile on GAF......
. Getting me a Switch 2 for Dusk Bloods and MP4 and I'm going to be eating good
. Donkey Kong looks fun as well and I'm curious about these AAA games that AREN'T using Unreal Engine and using in-house tech. Idk what engine DK is using but I can't wait to see more of these games and the graphics tech they're using.
Nocty
Gold Member
I personally made the switch to PC gaming and invested heavily into a future proof rig, mainly because I think consoles are pretty bleak at this point.
Everything eventually makes it's way to PC outside of the generic AAA 1st party games which I very very rarely enjoy anyways. Indie gaming on steam blows my mind regularly.
Everything eventually makes it's way to PC outside of the generic AAA 1st party games which I very very rarely enjoy anyways. Indie gaming on steam blows my mind regularly.
Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
Ever heard about something called "tip of the spear"?
My feeling has been for quite some time that we need much more high quality AA games. I think Nintendo has the right idea with games like Echoes of Wisdom and Mario & Luigi: Brothership. Smaller scope games that are still a blast.
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ItsGreat
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This. I can’t even bare to look at the COD Warzone ads that bookend Daredevil on my cheap tier Disney sub. I’m embarrassed to sit with my wife and have it play on screen.
It’s so childish and bereft of ideas and fun. That’s where a crash will occur.
WhiteWaterM00se
Member
Yes, i agree. But it does feel as something is shifting.
Even Apple (stunningly) dropped the price of the new MacBook Air. While everything else they did went up from them. It does feel as though, imo…people are kind of at their end with the price gouging and the inflation.
GTA will be fascinating. Truly. Just to see how it sells on so many levels, not just price.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
With these high prices for Nintendo hardware and games, now you know why they didn't tell people earlier.
I didnt keep up with the threads and news, but $80 for MK World digital. $90 US for the disc version. That'll convert to about $120 CDN. LOL
I didnt keep up with the threads and news, but $80 for MK World digital. $90 US for the disc version. That'll convert to about $120 CDN. LOL
EverythingsOverrated
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Good to see Nintendoom'd is back. I kinda missed it, tbh.
Perrott
Member
Sony sold 9.5M PS5's during Q4 2024 -- in the console's 4th holiday season and without tentpole releases from either first or third party, excluding the yearly Call of Duty entry. Switch 2 will crush those numbers, they've been stacking up stock since last year.
Regarding the economy, it will be no issue. Households have enough time from now up until the holidays to save for their kids' Christmas gift.
WhiteWaterM00se
Member
Even Bloomberg estimated Switch 2 first year sales around 13-14 million. I would be very surprised, no…i will be stunned if it is over 15 million.
Here’s the problem; increased prices will mean people buy fewer games. So AAA games are going to become even more risky, so they’ll opt to make them even more “safe”, so we’ll be even less likely to see mid-budget games.
I think this could wind up having a pretty massive impact on the entire gaming landscape, and I don’t see it being to anyone’s benefit.
I think this could wind up having a pretty massive impact on the entire gaming landscape, and I don’t see it being to anyone’s benefit.
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
The PS3 launch didn't cause a crash. The WiiU failing didn't cause a crash, the Xbox One failing didn't cause a crash. The Xbox Series failing didn't cause a crash. The Switch 2 will affect Nintendo. Wildly popular, or embarrassingly unpopular, it will not have much of an impact outside of Nintendo's world.
WhiteWaterM00se
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I agree, if you go back and re-read what i wrote at the end of the page. I was referring to MK and GTA being $80 or more, and likely COD following as well. I truly understand the inflation argument. My point is, due you feel that these higher prices could lead to a AAA collapse in gaming and a rethinking of how these companies produce games.
Effigenius
Member
First? Is it a timed exclusive?
FeralEcho
Member
Why are all of you so poor? I just made a 5090 Sandwich with a Steam Deck OLED in between. Peasants.
If you're poor...just... Stop being poor,duh!!!
FeralEcho
Member
OP actually asked a good question yet alot of people here seem to purposefully be obtuse and ignore the core of the issue here:
In that it's not about Nintendo... it's about the domino effect their pricing will cause in the gaming industry when every other company and their mother will start overpricing their products to hell and back when they see it working well with Nintendo.
It won't happen overnight but slowly and painfully.
If it fails then good, things will go back to business as usual but if they actually succeed and a 90$ Mario Kart sells 40 million copies...what do you think will happen when all these companies with big bankable IPs look at those numbers?
In that it's not about Nintendo... it's about the domino effect their pricing will cause in the gaming industry when every other company and their mother will start overpricing their products to hell and back when they see it working well with Nintendo.
It won't happen overnight but slowly and painfully.
If it fails then good, things will go back to business as usual but if they actually succeed and a 90$ Mario Kart sells 40 million copies...what do you think will happen when all these companies with big bankable IPs look at those numbers?
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Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
I don't think the price itself is going to be an issue. We've had big jumps in game price before. The difference is going to be the price increases are happening while the world is rolling around on thumb tacks it dumped on the ground itself like Mick Foley during Hell In A Cell.
So, will things go to shit in the games industry? Probably. Will it be directly related to the increase in prices? Probably not.
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ChorizoPicozo
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I will argue that the PS3 kind of represented a crash in the Japanese industry, a change in development philosophy (the rise of the engine) that they couldn't really knew how to adapt fast.
But this time, it's different.
What just happened with Nintendo feels like confirmation that the industry is really fucked, and something has to change or break. I also think a lot of the uproar is coming not just from Nintendo fans, but from people who are worried that Nintendo’s move will give the green light for the industry to follow.
1. Massive and ongoing layoffs (COVID bubble)
2. Unprecedented and large number of high-profile flops.
3. The insane chase of Live Games.
4. crazy long development times/ ridiculous budgets.
5. Remake, remasters, perpetual cross-gen
6. an already price hike that:
7. has not translated into better, more innovative , mindblowing games. (stagnation in creativity, hyper focus-tested games) / lack of new IPs.
8. The push to appeal to broader demographics, without it translating into real growth, or more money is a kinda a big deal...Massive I would say.
9.The consequences of consolidation (Zenimax, ABK, Downfall of Xbox, Embracer, Bungie, Ubisoft and bunch of other gaming companies,. including gaming media)
brah...i think the crash is happening as we speak.
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