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[_Angelus_]

On the other hand, it's difficult to say which is worse: the Jaguar or the Sega 32X. Both of them were colossal wastes with no software, but at least there were a lot of titles available for the Jag. The 32X didn't even give you bad options.

The 32X is worth it for Virtua Racing alone. Its a better port than the PS2 version. But yeah I woudn't exactly recomend anyone a Jag or a 32X nowdays,unless they were fans of certain franchises,such as Alien vs. Predator,which was a great game back in the Jag's day,but looks really bad today.

 

[DCharlie]

"Subsidized by 4 billion dollars of microsoft money. That's not a success. It's a forced entry into what may end up being an unprofitable market when Sony decides to play the same game and take a massive hit on their hardware to basically subsidize its existance.

The rule of cut throat competition is that the other guy can cut your throat too, and Sony now seems intent of losing 4 billion dollars of its own to keep MS out of its turf. "

... but that's exactly what MS want.

MS can bleed cash for generation on generation. Shortening the life cycle to 5 years is the first warning flag. because if it comes down to a bleeding competition , sony are f*cked.

I don't agree with the tactic and i don't want an industry totally dominated by one company - i want quality choices for my gaming, not hobsons choice.

 

[Zaphod]

A good set of questions for the thread. I'm not sure if we will see a failure, as in leave the market for good, from the big three this gen. Nintendo knows how to make a profit regardless of market share. Microsoft has lots of cash to throw about an has a history of sticking with things. Word and Windows took 3 to 4 versions to get it right. Sony has too much market share to loose to truly fail, unless the PS3 is more than $400. Some outsider like Samsung or Phantom may try to drop in to game late, and mess up though.

 

[Mrbob]

There seems to be some big misunderstanding about what the Revolution is. It's not just a "remote control"... Nintendo has repeatedly said the console will come with a classic controller option too. They don't want to alienate existing users, which is what most people here seem to be assuming. So before the "remote" and the new generation of Revolution games even starts, you have a console that can play every game released for a Nintendo console, with a regular controller to boot. How is that a bad thing?

Is this classic controller option available in the box?

 

[Buffy4ever]

In that case, No I don't think so.

- Next Generation will probably cause the end of certain companies; I'm thinking Sega buyout and Eidos going under.

- A few mergers: Namco and Capcom are my bet.

But I don't see any of the three companies going under. Revolution is the wildcard (hit/miss situation) due to the controller but I still think it will do okay.

Sega has already had a semi buyout form Sammy.

Namco already had a merger with bandia. Both happened this gen.

Revolution is the Wiladcard, it depends if people embrace thier idea, or go with what they already know.

 

[Jonnyram]

Is this classic controller option available in the box?

I don't know. If it is, will you still troll anyway?

 

[Buffy4ever]

Is this classic controller option available in the box?

I don't know. If it is, will you still troll anyway?

Mr. Bob has a point, unless the Classic controller is avaliable in the Box, I see Nintendo's revolution as the one to fail. Becuase 3rd party would quesiton whether a perosn would have the classic controller to support thier tradational games. The same reaon I don't see people supporting the hard drive for X-box 360 now. It has to be standard in the box form the beginning.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

I think I read somewhere that the classic controller is included in the box.

But I might have dreamt that, so take it with a grain of salt.

 

[Mrbob]

I don't know. If it is, will you still troll anyway?

If Nintendo is stupid enough to not pack it in, yeah.

I've been light on my Revolution trolling. I'm trying to give it a fair shake and know all the details first. Go direct your bitterness at someone else.

 

[Jonnyram]

Go direct your bitterness at someone else.

:lol

 

[Fatghost]

On the other hand, it's difficult to say which is worse: the Jaguar or the Sega 32X. Both of them were colossal wastes with no software, but at least there were a lot of titles available for the Jag. The 32X didn't even give you bad options.

You've got it backwards. The 32X had a better library than the Jag. All the Jag had was AvP. At least the 32X had a decent version of Star Wars Arcade, Virtua Racing, Virtua Fighter, Mortal Kombat 2, and Kolibri.

 

[Juice]

-Analysts and other dumbasses are the ONLY people who are surprised by Microsoft's marketshare. No shit it was going to happen, that's what happens when you bleed 4 billion dollars on an industry that generated maybe 25 billion dollars over the 4 year window we're talking about. "Surprised" is fucking moron-speak.
-Dreamcast was an unequivocal failure.
-N64 made Nintendo a disgusting amount of money, fuck relative shelf space and third party numbers. They don't mean shit for the bottom line.
-Phanton will be a surefire failure and if it's ever released, should be attributed to the next generation.

Next gen, all three systems will probably do well, but America's "traditional gaming" space will almost certainly start contracting out of monotony in the same way it has in Japan. If it stays the course or expands at all, it'll probably be due to the imminent diversification of the Revolution.

 

[koam]

Holy cow! That was some good comedy.

Yes, in a "funny cause it's true" kinda way.

 

[Tarazet]

You've got it backwards. The 32X had a better library than the Jag. All the Jag had was AvP. At least the 32X had a decent version of Star Wars Arcade, Virtua Racing, Virtua Fighter, Mortal Kombat 2, and Kolibri.

If you say so...

Oh, and with the video-game market so stagnant that every store has a metric assload of unsaleable games marked below $10, it's just a matter of time before natural selection starts taking victims. It's just a question of whether it will be the specialty shops, the software makers, or the hardware makers that wind up with the short straw.

 

[Scrow]

I need that... I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE OWL

 

[monkeyrun]

Before this gets out of control, N64 did okay relative to SNES's (and later PSX's) worldwide dominance (and wide variety of games). This gen people though MS had no chance, and relative to opinions on it before this gen, the Xbox did surprisingly well.

even phantom could do as well as xbox if they could lose money like Microsoft. With the money they lose they are literally giving away xBox.

 

[Version 3.0]

The quality software that proved it was a big 64 bit boy on the Jag was just too far and few...you know? I dont want to argue with a man with a Tempest avatar...so I will concede that its hard to really pick between the 3do and jag for sucking, but i feel 3d0 was a little ahead of jag. A shitty as Crystal Dynamic's Crash and Burn was...it was far more indicative of next gen than trevor mcfur was. And these were both launch games.

And then 3d0 also had a pretty cool looking for its time madden, fifa, need for speed, etc. These EA games were pretty nifty in the day. Especially somehting like Road Rash. If i had to go back in time and pick between 3do and Jag, itd be 3d0. Couldnt play SSF2T on Jag, right?

Heh. Don't let my Tempest avatar scare you: I'm no Atari nut. I didn't mourn for a second when I saw that the Jag was going to get killed by the Saturn and Playstation. And yeah, of course Trevor McFur sucked big time, and there were plenty of really shitty games. Cybermorph was better (pack-in), but side-by-side with Starfox, it didn't scream "Next Gen!".
I have a 3DO, too, though, and the difference is, these days I still pull out the Jag once in a while to show someone Tempest or AvP as examples of great games from back then. The 3DO only gets powered up to show embarrassingly bad games for a laugh. I stand by my statement that the 3DO's main "Next Gen" punch was simply its CD-based flash.