feynoob
Banned
w10 ui is the reason why I am on w11. I get my stuff easy on w11.
Mr Moose
Gold Member
Hey you, I am not on XP!
It's shit like selecting audio settings, it seems different to 10, seems like a lot more hassle. Little things like that.
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A.Romero
Member
I have a multiple monitor and multiple sound outputs set up and Windows 11 actually makes a lot of the stuff easier by remembering configurations.
For example: For work I use two monitors but when I excercise (in my studio, I live in a small appartment) I switch to a TV that I have hanging from the wall next to the PC. When I was using Windows 10, I had to switch manually audio sources to the TV everytime I wanted to use the TV and stop using the headphones. With Windows 11 I just activate the third TV (usually deactivated to not interfere with productivity stuff) and it automatically changes the audio output.
Mr Moose
Gold Member
I've only used my bros laptop that has 11 and it seemed worse than 10. Was digging through random ass shit to make his Netflix louder. (I don't like laptops or 11).
peish
Member
W11 looks better than W10, MS finally did it, the aesthetics makeover is a success
Better hdr, wifi, direct storage, virtualisation, security, multi monitors, built in aRGB controls, built in AI intelligence
Sure MS can add all these into W10, but why stick with 10 when you can have numerical updates
As long as I don't have to pay for windows upgrade, i am supportive of this efforts
Better hdr, wifi, direct storage, virtualisation, security, multi monitors, built in aRGB controls, built in AI intelligence
Sure MS can add all these into W10, but why stick with 10 when you can have numerical updates
As long as I don't have to pay for windows upgrade, i am supportive of this efforts
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Sojiro
Member
Voted remove it all. With every new version of windows MS just loves to layer on more and more shit that is unwanted, and it's almost a requirement to at least do SOME trimming of the fat by now. To be honest I was never a huge fan of Win 10 either, but I begrudgingly moved on after Win 7 hit EOL and games started dropping support, man I wished I could have could have stayed with 7 personally. I will say I do generally like the interface a bit more than 10, but only after you kill all the unnecessary shit it wants to blast at you at every opportunity.
Dirk Benedict
Gold Member
This. Been waiting on a graph that shows otherwise, but here we are. The verdict is in. Win 10 pro is going to stay. Sucks they are ending support next year.
I don't want to upgrade, even though MS has been fucking with my startup in order to urge me to upgrade for free. I've used it on a laptop and I hate it.
feynoob
Banned
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Unconfirmed Member
Can windows 10 do this?
People still use WMP?
DryvBy
Member
Has anyone tried AtlasOS yet? Or similar? I'm curious what it looks like as a benchmark.
atlasos.net
An optimized modification of Windows, designed for gamers.
We designed Atlas to maximize performance and minimize latency. Experience higher framerates and lower latency compared to stock, slow Windows.
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Euler007
Member
A bottleneck that is not a bottleneck in normal operations is not a bottleneck.
winjer
Member
Steam Survey July 2024 Update: Windows 10 Usage Records Uptick, Windows 11 Drops
Interesting things are happening in the gaming community, as Windows 10 operating system has seen an increase in its user base on the Steam platform, while Windows 11 has dipped below the 46% mark for the first time since its launch. According to the latest July data from Steam's hardware and...
Topher
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Steam Survey July 2024 Update: Windows 10 Usage Records Uptick, Windows 11 Drops
Interesting things are happening in the gaming community, as Windows 10 operating system has seen an increase in its user base on the Steam platform, while Windows 11 has dipped below the 46% mark for the first time since its launch. According to the latest July data from Steam's hardware and...www.techpowerup.com
"including features like DirectStorage and Auto HDR"
DirectStorage, sadly, seems to have been largely ignored on PC.
winjer
Member
Unfortunately, not even Microsoft uses Direct Storage in their own games.
BlackTron
Member
Since it still seems to be kinda slipping through the cracks for you, I'll help. Someone else quipped that if you're using a 4090 with a 1080p monitor you need to buy a new monitor, so he retorted that he already has a good monitor and intentionally lowers resolution to 1080p in order to get higher frames. This is actually supportive of people who intentionally only have el cheapo 1080p monitors because all the extra power headroom offers space for effects and framerates.
If only you had added an S for sarcasm though, we'd have gotten your joke. Oh well lol
clarewilliams
Neo Member
Which is Faster for Gaming, Windows 10 or Windows 11?
Is Windows 10 or Windows 11 faster for gaming? We revisit this question using four hardware setups benchmarked with fresh OS installations in 13 games, with updated...www.techspot.com
Most games performance similarly, in Windows 11 and 10. But here were some exceptions, where Windows 10 won by a significant margin. But never situations where Windows 11 would win.
Part of the differences we see in some games are probably because HU did disable "Memory Integrity", but did not disable "Virtual Machine Platform"
These are security features, that are useful for companies, but not so much for gamers. So it-s best to disable them for better performance.
But another reason could be that Windows 11 has more bloatware and spyware running in the background. So unless gamers disable or remove all this crap, chances are it will affect performance.
Options to optimize gaming performance in Windows 11 - Microsoft Support
Directions for turning off memory integrity and the Virtual Machine Platform to improve gaming performance, and the risks of doing so.support.microsoft.com
Great video. Thanks!
winjer
Member
Does your company have access to LTSC?
Those are the best versions of any modern Windows. No bloatware, no spyware, no broken updates.
The problem is that it requires an enterprise volume license.
winjer
Member
Windows 11 24H2 was meant to be named Windows 12.
So the next Windows 12 is probably quite a long way.
The Stig
Banned
No, but I have fantasized about it.
I haven't worked for a company big enough for that kind of thing for a long long time.
winjer
Member
There are other ways....
The Stig
Banned
ohhh do tell? (maybe in DM lol)
Dalbajobas
Member
Hopefully in a few months all the bugs will be ironed out on W11.
I'm still waiting for W11 to get out of alpha release before I switch.(I don't care what MS says, W11 is still in alpha.)
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Like what?
phant0m
Member
i debloated mine by wiping my PC and installing Bazzite instead.
so nice to have an OS that's doesn't phone home for everything, unobtrusive updates, no driver nags, and doesn't fight you on booting straight into an OS you can navigate by controller
should probably make a thread on it one of these days
so nice to have an OS that's doesn't phone home for everything, unobtrusive updates, no driver nags, and doesn't fight you on booting straight into an OS you can navigate by controller
should probably make a thread on it one of these days
RaZoR No1
Member
I knew I would find the video of AMD Jesus here.
IMO it would be interesting to see a comparasion between a normal Win 11 and an optimized / debloated (in the past we even had Win 11 to see, how much performance Win 11 eats in the background
I think some people even started using the LTSC Version of Win 11, because some say they perform better.
winjer
Member
RaZoR No1
Member
here you go
How did I miss this one...
AMD Jesus did it again XD
Thank you.
This one at least debunks all of the "optimizations" for more fps.
winjer
Member
Mind you, a system using a debloated Windows or LTSC is snappier to use. And this is something he notices right at the start of the analysis.
Opening the Start Menu, Explorer, navigating folders is quicker and less laggy.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Curious. My Win 11 doesn't do any of that.
RaZoR No1
Member
Makes sense, because it is debloated and therefore has less background processes.
But at the same time it shows, how good Win 11 can put them in the background so it does not interfere with gaming performance.
IMO as long you are not a e sport gamer and trying to look for the maximum possible FPS, a stock Win 11 is more than good enough
winjer
Member
There is one small problem with the test he made. He is using a high end system, it's a 7800X3D and 9070 with 16Gb of vram.
This means the CPU has enough grunt to power through playing a game and dealing with the bloat from Windows 11.
And he is also using 32GB of fast memory. So he is not running out of memory, eve with all the bloat.
The same for the 9070 with 16GB, because it has a good amount of vram, even if Windows uses some of it, chances are it wont affect performance.
But do the same on a mid or lower end system, and things start to change.
If the CPU has fewer cores, with lower IPC, then having more threads in the background, might affect performance.
The same thing for memory. If the system runs out of ram, it has to go to the SSD to fetch data. And that is very noticeable.
With vram something similar will happen, as the GPU as to fetch data from system memory and the player will notice stutters.
So the question is not whether the Windows 11 bloat will affect performance. It always will.
The difference is if it's just in the Windows menus, or if it causes reduced performance in games. But that depends on each person system.
There is also another problem. Privacy.
I'm not too keen on having my OS sending my data to a company that has showed too many times, that they have no respect for consumers.
And then there is the nightmare fueled spyware kit that is CoPilot......
nemiroff
Gold Member
So, pretty much like my Windows 11 configuration then
(don't get me wrong, I'm also dual-booting to Linux/CachyOS
)(Anyway, how the fuck are you guys getting "nagged" with OS updates and drivers, I usually don't see those because the computer updates itself automatically when I don't use the computer
) (Edit: To be fair, I had to manually click accept on 24H2 )
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BlackTron
Member
Windows 11 came installed on my gaming laptop so I acquiesced. Just made backup drives and went with the flow like a good citizen. Of course I had to start turning off and removing a bunch of shit for some false sense of security that I have any control at all and Microsoft won't just flip it back on or that the settings I choose even matter at all.
Mhmmm 2077
Member
And SteamOS has even higher performance than Win10 on the same hardware (as tested on a Steam Deck), can't wait for the iso to be released, so I can install it on my PC.