[Windows Central] No, Target and Walmart are not removing Xbox products from their stores [Update] Target Confirms

ChorizoPicozo said:
3 things:
CoD underperforming, plus the Xbox Tax of Game Pass.
Series Consoles selling worse than the OUYA
And the layoffs.

bruh....
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Oh make no mistake. This years COD is going to underperform badly based on current outlook + the absolute quality battlefield release we just got.
 
Moridianae said:
I don't know about CoD. I used to work with GameStop back in the day. The folks that buy CoD literally get it every year, regardless if it's complete d00d00 or not.

I expect it probably will still do well, but maybe it will decline overall. Most people didn't seem very enthused about this entry at all.

I saw the beta with some killstreak that was like a through-all-the-walls sniper and I'm good on stuff like that.


The Game Pass debacle was rough because I think it was a moment where people just *really* got fed up at the price increases.

We've all been seeing it. Groceries, electronics, cars, rent, houses. For many people, we're already stretched thin and gaming is their escape from that.

Suddenly, it's not so much and nobody gets angry like gamers do. They speak out on the nonsense far more than many others do, in my experience.
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Underperforming simply means that it will sell below expectations, but it will still sell very well. and because it is so critical to the Xbox's business, they will panic even if it makes 5% less sales. (revenue)

Regarding the GP debacle... you hit the nail on the head. Now it's about money, now it's real. No promises or sweet words about a bright future, wait until next, list of games that get canceled or are subpar.... smaller game ain't going to the trick either. If MS wants to charge $30 for its service... they need big and juicy games....it's going to be very interesting how the Outer Worlds 2 buzz is going to be.
 
m14 said:
At a minimum it warrants investigation. You don't know that these people are speaking freely or if its co-ordinated. The Windows Central article is MS signalling that they clearly don't believe so and won't be taking it anymore. And Jez Corden's contributions to the piece were no coincidence, given his connections to the MS hierarchy. They will be looking into this!

And no this isn't about people making robust criticisms of Xbox. There's a massive difference between that and bad actors using disinformation to negatively harm MS and their customers, not to mention the retailers themselves. Target had to come out and debunk these lies, that's how serious the consequences are.
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"Leave the multi-trillion company alone" - literally.

Seriously now, after Miku's half meltdown today and now this, I can't understand for the life of me whether this is sarcasm, some kind of elaborate trolling or just plain stupidity, I feel like my IQ is dropping rapidly by the day, these can't be conversations made by grown up men, they really can't.

These friggin' vidjya gents, they're serious business...
 
ChorizoPicozo said:
Regarding the GP debacle... you hit the nail on the head. Now it's about money, now it's real. No promises or sweet words about a bright future, wait until next, list of games that get canceled or are subpar.... smaller game ain't going to the trick either. If MS wants to charge $30 for its service... they need big and juicy games....it's going to be very interesting how the Outer Worlds 2 buzz is going to be.
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Thats always been the issue with a service like gamepass. Games cost too much to make to give them away for $15/month, but if you want people to pay more (like $30/month) then you have to have really great games on there. And not just great games, but enough of them that allow you to release them almost at a monthly cadence so people pay every month for the service.

Clearly, they didn't sort that out, and now you have a situation where most people can just pay for like 2 or three months of gamepass in a year and play everything they need to play. The other major issue is that gamepass is not enough to make anyone leave their chosen platform. A PS5 gamer is not going to get rid of his PS5, to buy an Xbox just to pay monthly to play call of duty.

MS was right to start the whole consolidation thing; that was always the next step for a service like gamepass. Have so mny studios that makes so many games that there is always some sort of must have game for everyone every month. But they pissed the bed so much that thats not going anywhere.
 
ZehDon said:
They were losing ~$200 a console three years ago. Despite the price increases, the American Trade War will have increased the BOM. Add them both together, and I suspect they're still losing some money.
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They were losing between 100 and 200 $ and it was stated it was the series S they were losing more money on at 300$ sales price. Second that loss included marketing and R&D cost in that figure it's not the cost to manufavture on of these consoles. Third the hey raised the price by 300$ I am sorry buddy but they are not losing money on the console at 800$ they aren't a tiny little company their procurement department isn't some inexperienced minnows for them to be completely lost letting costs spiral.

They changed strategies when they realized game pass failed at this point they are pulling back hardware and are content with milking their hardcore fanbase for all they are worth to maximize return since they clearly don't care about sale numbers anymore.
 
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SABRE220 said:
... Second that loss included marketing and R&D cost in that figure it's not the cost to manufavture on of these consoles...
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That's not how expenses are factored. BOM for the XSX + process costs was around $700, leading to a ~$200 loss. Price increases and tariffs added up together would largely be a wash. You can keep repeating your clearly incorrect non-sense all you like, you'll just continue to be wrong.
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... They changed strategies when they realized game pass failed at this point they are pulling back hardware and are content with milking their hardcore fanbase for all they are worth to maximize return since they clearly don't care about sale numbers anymore.
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You might not know this, but existing customers actually don't have to buy hardware again at the inflated prices, so those hardware pirces don't "milk" anyone. If you're talking about Game Pass, they just lost most of their "hardcore fanbase" with a 50% price increase. Why? Microsoft have clearly moved to minimise continued losses in a generation that's already over. Losing money on XSX|S hardware, losing money on wasted shelf space, losing money on loss-leading services that aren't driving profits; there's no need for any of that any more. Re-set the prices at the maximum sustainable levels and let this generation putter out while they make moves for next-gen. It's pretty obvious.
 
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Target or Walmart won't "confirm" anything before MS is ready to announce it.

I do know I was at Target a few days ago and the Xbox section was tiny and bare. But there were games and systems for Sony and Nintendo 🤷‍♂️
 
Ellis said:
Sold my SX recently. Would pick one up again to use for a hacked machine in a few years.

Waiting for them to do a £49.99 sell off like Dreamcast.

They're currently £499 at Argos when the equivalent disc PS5 is £450.
They're in absolutely no position to be pricing close to PS5. Madness at this point.
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If systems are being sent back to MS seemingly around the same time, something is happening that's not a coincidence, and will probably sidestep the optics of heavily discounted systems, it would signal "this brand failed". They would rather buy them back to use as servers or whatever. Of course Sega didn't have that luxury of spending cash to save face which is the Xbox business model
 
m14 said:
At a minimum it warrants investigation. You don't know that these people are speaking freely or if its co-ordinated. The Windows Central article is MS signalling that they clearly don't believe so and won't be taking it anymore. And Jez Corden's contributions to the piece were no coincidence, given his connections to the MS hierarchy. They will be looking into this!

And no this isn't about people making robust criticisms of Xbox. There's a massive difference between that and bad actors using disinformation to negatively harm MS and their customers, not to mention the retailers themselves. Target had to come out and debunk these lies, that's how serious the consequences are.
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The investigation :"Why do you think Xbox is dying"
Me : "I have eyes and ears"

Fin
 
m14 said:
At a minimum it warrants investigation. You don't know that these people are speaking freely or if its co-ordinated. The Windows Central article is MS signalling that they clearly don't believe so and won't be taking it anymore. And Jez Corden's contributions to the piece were no coincidence, given his connections to the MS hierarchy. They will be looking into this!

And no this isn't about people making robust criticisms of Xbox. There's a massive difference between that and bad actors using disinformation to negatively harm MS and their customers, not to mention the retailers themselves. Target had to come out and debunk these lies, that's how serious the consequences are.
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They consciously lied and astroturfed about Xbox for years, but when someone says what they actually see happening in front of them to Xbox, investigate for conspiracy to cause harm...do you think Microsoft should be investigated also?
 
viveks86 said:
Got a quote?
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Sure. Here's a quote from Sneakers himself from January this year.

SneakersSO said:
I think you're misunderstanding whatever you're hearing.

The next slate of HW devices, which includes the handheld, their own dedicated living room console, and the 3rd party hardware devices that will be utilizing XboxOS, are not intended to be a mass-market devices, or rather, they aren't intended to be a thing sold like their previous hardware gens, where they were shipping tens of millions of units all around the world.

The MS produced devices will be more expensive, with far fewer regions shipped to, and far less supply shipped in even their 'strongest' regions like NA/UK. There is absolutely no design that it'll be a marketshare competitor to either the Nintendo Switch or the Sony Playstation. Instead, they are merely vehicles for the XboxOS. It'll also feature less 3rd party support, as that will be decreasing year-over-year as we head towards that.

Their titles will be shipping to anywhere that can play them at launch, and you cannot build an actual global console marketshare without exclusives, among other things. They are not fooling themselves here. First time since the 360 that they aren't, to be honest. The Surface HW team seems to be far more grounded and realistic.
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This thread is epic. That is all I have to say, oh, and that Phil is a douche nozzle for pulling the gun out of Mattrick's hand, and instead of ejecting the magazine and clearing the chamber, he emptied it all into the brand.
 
Bernkastel said:
Don't equate them with Sega. Dreamcast was an amazing console.
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While this is true and Dreamcast remains one of my personal most beloved consoles, they too made mistakes(32X, Saturn, etc.)

But their mistakes were not on the same level as Microsofts have been. The difference here is Microsoft is much, much larger and a more financial behemoth than Sega was.
 
I'm currently visiting some family in GA (I'm non-American) and just came from a Bestbuy in one of the McDonough locations an hour ago. This was their Xbox section:

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A handful of gamepass and game codes, and first/ third party controllers/headsets/misc. Not a console or physical game in sight....
 
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Det said:
They should copy as much of the "xbox" model as possible... Just look at the incredible success MS achieved by spending 100 billion and bankrupting the xbox
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It's inevitable. In a world of Cloud Gaming, hardware exclusivity is irrelevant. Either Sony expands their Cloud, or gets left behind. And once they expand, might as well just port natively for those who prefer it.

PC, Cloud, Mobile are three pillars of gaming that Sony can't afford to ignore, they also know this.
 
Topher said:
They probably will, but it doesn't make any sense as it is a game that distinctly PlayStation fan service. Management these days only sees profit margins though.
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I have never understood why someone would let Sony port Astro Bot to their console. It is literally a tribute to PlayStation consoles. If Nintendo allows it, Sony should jump on the opportunity. I would expect a bump in PlayStation sales. :messenger_grinning_squinting:
 
Tobimacoss said:
It's inevitable. In a world of Cloud Gaming, hardware exclusivity is irrelevant. Either Sony expands their Cloud, or gets left behind. And once they expand, might as well just port natively for those who prefer it.

PC, Cloud, Mobile are three pillars of gaming that Sony can't afford to ignore, they also know this
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Maybe it is inevitable but when it becomes inevtiable is the real question. There are still to many poeple out there stuck with shitty internet or they are to far from Datacenters. You now have companies building more datacenters but that's already getting backlash from the communities and there's a real threat that it all gets stopped or the datacenters are forced to start paying more for power which could stop them from being built as much.

Gamepass already showed that the gaming community just operates differently than other forms of media. I think people trying to predict where the market is headed and all that is just a waste of time. No one knows not even you or me.

Another thing I see people keep saying is the TV would be used. Have you used these TV apps? People hate it, they are slow as shit. If you think TV manufactures are going to improve their software for Xbox cloud gaming you're crazy. They will prioritize keeping their TV price as low as possible while letting the XBox cloud app run slow and like crap which will make people not want to use it.

Books had a similar issue where we all thought physical books would be dead by now but they still outsell ebooks.
 
mayham2199 said:
Maybe it is inevitable but when it becomes inevtiable is the real question. There are still to many poeple out there stuck with shitty internet or they are to far from Datacenters. You now have companies building more datacenters but that's already getting backlash from the communities and there's a real threat that it all gets stopped or the datacenters are forced to start paying more for power which could stop them from being built as much.

Gamepass already showed that the gaming community just operates differently than other forms of media. I think people trying to predict where the market is headed and all that is just a waste of time. No one knows not even you or me.

Another thing I see people keep saying is the TV would be used. Have you used these TV apps? People hate it, they are slow as shit. If you think TV manufactures are going to improve their software for Xbox cloud gaming you're crazy. They will prioritize keeping their TV price as low as possible while letting the XBox cloud app run slow and like crap which will make people not want to use it.

Books had a similar issue where we all thought physical books would be dead by now but they still outsell ebooks.
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Let's do a quick experiment. Go to Xbox.com/play on Edge or Chrome browser on whatever device you're typing on and play FortNite for free.

Then while game is running, go to xcloud Settings, Stream, Enable Stats Overlay. Tell me your stats for Ping, Decode times, and Packet Loss. And then we can assess if Cloud Gaming would work for you. Will take you only 5-10 minutes.
 
dragonyeuw said:
I'm currently visiting some family in GA (I'm non-American) and just came from a Bestbuy in one of the McDonough locations an hour ago. This was their Xbox section:

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A handful of gamepass and game codes, and first/ third party controllers/headsets/misc. Not a console or physical game in sight....
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That looks exactly like one of the Best Buys in my area. If you're lucky some Best Buy's have a tiny section of unsold Xbox games released years ago.
 
Tobimacoss said:
Let's do a quick experiment. Go to Xbox.com/play on Edge or Chrome browser on whatever device you're typing on and play FortNite for free.

Then while game is running, go to xcloud Settings, Stream, Enable Stats Overlay. Tell me your stats for Ping, Decode times, and Packet Loss. And then we can assess if Cloud Gaming would work for you. Will take you only 5-10 minutes.
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There's no point in doing that. The discussion isn't whether cloud gaming works for me. It's will it become big enough to completely cut out over 200 million console sales. On top of all that I don't like anything that requires me to have an internet connection to work. I literally have my own media server with 64+TB of anime, movies, and TV shows downloaded. I've lost internet to many times in my area because of storms/hurricanes.

How will cloud gaming even cut out something like Nintendo? People going to cloud game on the go now also?
 
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