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Brettison said:
Same... My focus is going to have to last me to apollo now. If nokia had done something special I would have upgraded but the 800 was not enough to break my contract. Plus I think by next year nokia will be full bore into wp7 and will have some great apollo devices (ffc, lte, newer cpu) worthy of wp8.
GCX said:
Makes sense. Though I figured they wanted to make a dent in the US market before they fell too far behind (if thats even possible).
venne said:
Guess I'll go with the Samsung phone then. Little disappointed I can't have the Nokia but ill get the sammy now and when the next Nokia comes out ill give my wife the sammy and get that.
Btw, when is Apollo/Tango supposed to be released? Seems like that's still a very long ways off.
antiquegamer
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Aside from the pretty hardware, the spec on the 800 is really horrible. No front facing camera !?!? wtf. I can deal with 16gb of memory but why leave out the front facing camera!
Anyway it's not available in the US so I guess I am going to be getting Focus S when I am upgrade.
Anyway it's not available in the US so I guess I am going to be getting Focus S when I am upgrade.
antiquegamer said:
Any idea when the Focus S comes out and on what carrier? Actually would it be possible for someone to create a graphic or list when the new generation Mango phones will be released and for what carrier? I'd happily make something if someone could forward me the relevant information.
The 360 interaction app looks pretty cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1SbICrhUFVE
Hope the bing search works with the new media partners in the new dash.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1SbICrhUFVE
Hope the bing search works with the new media partners in the new dash.
HollovVpo1nt
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Did I miss the revolution where the front facing camera took over or something?
The Nokia 800 isn't lighting an upgrade NOW fire for me, but I love the build of the device, the design is distinctive. I'll likely hold up till next year this time for some matured Nokia devices. But I do think the 710 & 800 look to be a fantastic welcome to the platform for new Windows Phone users.
jonnybryce
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So disappointed that they didn't add/took away important things to the N9 (front facing camera, storage, etc).
This is not the phone that will propel Nokia or Windows phone into mainstream in the US. This will be no more of a hit then any current Windows Phone, I'm calling it now.
Clearly. From consumer expectation to Microsoft purchasing Skype, it's used and it matters.
This is not the phone that will propel Nokia or Windows phone into mainstream in the US. This will be no more of a hit then any current Windows Phone, I'm calling it now.
HollovVpo1nt said:
Clearly. From consumer expectation to Microsoft purchasing Skype, it's used and it matters.
Speedymanic
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I know it's probably too soon, but any word on the expected battery life for those Nokia phones?
I'm having a real hard time with my LG Optimus, I only get a day's worth of medium usage since Mango came out, so I'm thinking of selling it on and buying a Nokia when they hit...
I'm having a real hard time with my LG Optimus, I only get a day's worth of medium usage since Mango came out, so I'm thinking of selling it on and buying a Nokia when they hit...
the iPhone 3GS was the second best selling phone in the US and it only had 8GB of storage with no front facing camera... *shrug* this isn't a very relevant discussion to argue as Nokia hasn't laid out their plans for the US yet. These phones won't be a hit in the US because they aren't coming to the US...jonnybryce said:
They listed specs somewhere. It seems to be better than the iPhone 4S in all categories except for video playback...Speedymanic said:
jonnybryce
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Greyface said:
If you're talking about at the time of it's release, that's because the 4 didn't change the market yet. If you're talking about now, that's because it's offered cheap as hell or maybe even free and people that can't afford the real deal just want to be a part of the iPhone world.
That's the equity iPhone has built and the luxury Nokia/WP7 haven't earned yet in the US. It's a nice phone but strategically a very poor outing - but hey, that's just my opinion. They need to propel this OS and save their company. They show an also ran in a pretty shell.
jonnybryce said:
The poor performance of Windows Phone likely has more to do with failed marketing and retailers than it does devices. Those are two areas that Nokia appears to be addressing, which should help them gain some inroads into the mid-range smartphone market.
jonnybryce said:
We don't even know what the launch devices are for the US. You guys need the realize that the Lumia 800 is a device that costs nearly the same as the HTC Radar. It is not supposed to be a flagship. That's what the rumored 'Ace' is for.
Seems like to me if MS were serious about competing, then at least have feature parity compared to the competition.
No front facing camera is a big deal. How can you still release a smartphone without one?
A marketing blitz would certainly change the public perception as many who are disregarding WP7 simply have not played with the OS.
No front facing camera is a big deal. How can you still release a smartphone without one?
A marketing blitz would certainly change the public perception as many who are disregarding WP7 simply have not played with the OS.
claviertekky said:
lol seriously why do people keep saying this? Who uses the FFC? I'd say releasing a phone for 2012 without NFC is more of an oversight than a front facing camera.
Why do flagship devices need pointless features all of a sudden? If you want to criticize the phone it's easy! Single core processor, 512 meg of ram, 16 gig storage, it has a weak spec, no one will miss the front facing camera as much as they miss the extra 512meg of ram the N9 has.
i see soooo much overlapping services from microsoft and nokia; music, mapping, pulse, etc. both companies have a lot of work to do to hammer out their services and unify them. we might be a full year away before we see these unified services. it's still a great partnership though. i see nokia's input really pushing the platform adding features like dual sim and expandable memory.
How can people defend this decision? Are you the same people who argue that the ribbon sucks and UAC is useless?Ghost said:
When MS buys a company like Skype and people know about that, they are going to expect Skype features in a Microsoft computer product. Do you really expect people to use Skype via back-facing camera?
smh
Complex Shadow
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So I am just wakeing up so sorry if I sound a little derpy. Well more than normal.
So as far as I can see. There was no nokia 900. There is no nokia phone with a sd slot. And there is no hope for Canada.
Ffs nokia. You dun goffed.
So as far as I can see. There was no nokia 900. There is no nokia phone with a sd slot. And there is no hope for Canada.
Ffs nokia. You dun goffed.
Really weird thing about Nokia Music is that anything you buy from there comes from the
Nokia store and not Zune, but it says it gets added to your library, I'm pretty sure Nokias music is DRM free so it's probably not a practical issue but it sure is weird that they've stood so directly on MS' toes.
I use skype all the time, and I've never once made a video call on it, nor would I on my phone where I'd have to hold it out in front of me like a pillock. It's simply a non-issue.
In fact I'm really excited about the skype app on windows phone because it blows chunks on iOS right now, despite all those awesome video calls I could potentially make with it.
Nokia store and not Zune, but it says it gets added to your library, I'm pretty sure Nokias music is DRM free so it's probably not a practical issue but it sure is weird that they've stood so directly on MS' toes.
I use skype all the time, and I've never once made a video call on it, nor would I on my phone where I'd have to hold it out in front of me like a pillock. It's simply a non-issue.
In fact I'm really excited about the skype app on windows phone because it blows chunks on iOS right now, despite all those awesome video calls I could potentially make with it.
Complex Shadow said:
Canada will probably get the same treatment as the US
http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/10/26/n...a-number-of-windows-phone-devices-early-2012/
BTW, Nokia Pulse is in Marketplace and launches fine on my Samsung Focus.
http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/65ea5cd7-7d22-4aa6-99bc-7a4ff2993663
http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/65ea5cd7-7d22-4aa6-99bc-7a4ff2993663
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Ghost said:
A front facing camera allows video chatting. That's the main selling point for them. It's one of the key marketing features for the iPhone 4/4S. We know that Microsoft is working on expanding WP7 into the video chat arena and the Titan, amongst other phones, will implement it. They also own, you know, Skype, whose major appeal is that it can do video chat. It also allows face unlock which is one of the key marketing features for the Galaxy Nexus.
But sure, who values that, besides all the vastly more successful competitors and Microsoft themselves?
RE you performance comparison, people value high performance in their devices. A smooth interface, enough RAM to allow them to complete tasks that they want to complete, and the necessary power to do elaborate applications. The actual numbers are relatively unimportant. Android phones began to, on paper, beat the iPhone a long time ago. And yet on all but the highest end phones, in most use cases, the iPhone actual performs better. Hell, WP7 is a testament to this. WP7 gen 1 phones perform very well, the OS is super smooth and fast, and yet their innards are old and busted.
jonnybryce
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PG2G said:
I'm not saying Nokia is done for, but they're surely taking their sweet time. If Lumia 800 is meant for midrange anyway then I think they should have showed/teased their top of the line. Instead they're billing the mid range that's missing features and coming out in 2012 as the first real windows phone and leaving people to hope Ace is going to be awesome. I'm personally disappointed that they don't have more to share.
Ghost said:
Because people use/want/expect features like a FFC. Simple as that. It's become a standard.
The FFC isn't a big deal for me, personally. But you can be rest assured that you'll probably see some sort of PS3 style comparison sheet pointing out that it doesn't have one. Unless of course, the other phone makers are so unafraid of the WP platform that they won't even bother to waste resources on pointing that out. Which I guess is just as likely.
I really like the look of the Lumia 800, but I'd probably lean towards the Titan (I have a Focus currently) if I were tempted to get another phone. Either way, new hardware is always exciting and if the rumors are true that Nokia will be shipping more than a handful of new WP handsets in 2012, should be fun to see what they offer.
I really like the look of the Lumia 800, but I'd probably lean towards the Titan (I have a Focus currently) if I were tempted to get another phone. Either way, new hardware is always exciting and if the rumors are true that Nokia will be shipping more than a handful of new WP handsets in 2012, should be fun to see what they offer.
Complex Shadow
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Looks like I am getting whatever phone is avalible come December. I am just hoping someone releases a phone with an sd slot.
Stumpokapow said:A front facing camera allows video chatting. That's the main selling point for them. It's one of the key marketing features for the iPhone 4/4S. We know that Microsoft is working on expanding WP7 into the video chat arena and the Titan, amongst other phones, will implement it. They also own, you know, Skype, whose major appeal is that it can do video chat. It also allows face unlock which is one of the key marketing features for the Galaxy Nexus.
But sure, who values that, besides all the vastly more successful competitors and Microsoft themselves?
RE you performance comparison, people value high performance in their devices. A smooth interface, enough RAM to allow them to complete tasks that they want to complete, and the necessary power to do elaborate applications. The actual numbers are relatively unimportant. Android phones began to, on paper, beat the iPhone a long time ago. And yet on all but the highest end phones, in most use cases, the iPhone actual performs better. Hell, WP7 is a testament to this. WP7 gen 1 phones perform very well, the OS is super smooth and fast, and yet their innards are old and busted.
All I know is, if you offered me an N800 with a FFC for £10 more, I'd pass, if you offered me an N800 with double the ram for £40 more, I'd go for it. No one, even Apple, has managed to make people care about video calling from their phone, it's been nothing but a Marketeers tick box since 2003. And I don't honestly think any of you believe that it's one customers pay attention to, not in the face of screen size, screen resolution & storage size, all of which are actual bona fide weaknesses of the N800 worthy of discussion.
MasterLeePhD
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Any UK Gaf on Orange network going for the Nokia Lumia 800 with a free Xbox?
http://studio.orange.co.uk/shop/nokia800/
"If youre an Orange pay monthly mobile customer on an existing 12, 18 or 24 month plan and youre eligible to upgrade well give you a free Xbox 360 if you upgrade to a Nokia Lumia 800 handset on an 18 or 24 month Animal plan. This offer opens on 16 November and closes on 30 November.
If you are eligible for this offer, you can pre-register your interest in the Nokia Lumia 800 on-line at www.orange.co.uk/nokia800, or pre-order it in an Orange store, from 26 October. When pre-ordering the handset, youll need to pay a £10 deposit. If you successfully pre-register your details, or pre-order a handset, we may reserve an Xbox 360 for you until 30 November. If you preregistered, youll need to upgrade online or in an Orange store; if you preorder youll need to upgrade in the same Orange store you paid your deposit in before 30 November, or any Xbox 360 we may have reserved for you may be offered to other customers.
Your Xbox 360 will be shipped within 30 days of upgrading. If you return your new Nokia Lumia 800 or exchange it for another handset youll also need to return the Xbox 360 in pristine condition. Our returns policy will apply, check it out orange.co.uk/terms."
http://studio.orange.co.uk/shop/nokia800/
"If youre an Orange pay monthly mobile customer on an existing 12, 18 or 24 month plan and youre eligible to upgrade well give you a free Xbox 360 if you upgrade to a Nokia Lumia 800 handset on an 18 or 24 month Animal plan. This offer opens on 16 November and closes on 30 November.
If you are eligible for this offer, you can pre-register your interest in the Nokia Lumia 800 on-line at www.orange.co.uk/nokia800, or pre-order it in an Orange store, from 26 October. When pre-ordering the handset, youll need to pay a £10 deposit. If you successfully pre-register your details, or pre-order a handset, we may reserve an Xbox 360 for you until 30 November. If you preregistered, youll need to upgrade online or in an Orange store; if you preorder youll need to upgrade in the same Orange store you paid your deposit in before 30 November, or any Xbox 360 we may have reserved for you may be offered to other customers.
Your Xbox 360 will be shipped within 30 days of upgrading. If you return your new Nokia Lumia 800 or exchange it for another handset youll also need to return the Xbox 360 in pristine condition. Our returns policy will apply, check it out orange.co.uk/terms."
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Ghost said:
I mean you've basically created an invincible argument. You don't care about it, you can't imagine anyone else cares about it, the fact that everyone else views it as a marketing point doesn't mean anything because it's "just marketers", the fact that other more successful phones emphasize it doesn't mean anything. Unfortunately, I can't even argue that the phone's success or lack thereof will demonstrate anything, because you've already sealed that up by saying that if it fails, it'll fail because of a myriad of other problems. Even if you were wrong, there's no way we'd be able to convince you.
I value video chatting, both from my computer and from my phone. My relatives all do. My girlfriend and her relatives all do. I don't think Apple crows incessantly about FaceTime because it's a checkbox, I think they do it because it's something people are interested in. I think the same is true for Microsoft. I don't think Microsoft bought Skype for voice, I think they bought it for their whole value proposition, which very notably includes video. Every time Skype partners with anyone, the emphasis is on video chat. Again, your assertion is that it's just bragging rights and no real people care, but I find it very hard to believe when you consider the sheer diversity of companies who have made this a centerpiece of their offerings. A front facing camera is increasingly a standard feature of a smartphone, and they opt out from providing one at their own risk. The costs are also marginal, particularly if the front-facing phone is cheaper than the rear-facing phone (which is the case with the Galaxy Nexus).
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