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Part of the difference is people are buying Android phones and iPhones and even the best estimates say WP7 phones aren't selling very well. Microsoft's not really in a position where they can fuck around right now.
 
I hope microsoft is keeping it up with windows phone 7. its a brillant OS, but they are in a desperate need to implement more features in it and zune. Internationally.
And they need to advertice actual features. The whole "one glimpse and go"-thing was ridicolous - most apps dont even use livetiles. but they have the hubs, xbox live and zune. great features, why would they ignore that.
 
Slow updates is fine if that's their criteria.

But there's an alarm bug that affects all phones, it can freeze, stops all sound output, till a full restart is done.

Damn it! This should be fixed ASAP.
 
bigswords said:
Slow updates is fine if that's their criteria.

But there's an alarm bug that affects all phones, it can freeze, stops all sound output, till a full restart is done.

Damn it! This should be fixed ASAP.
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This, the marketplace bug and the camera settings bug should've been addressed via hotfix and not service pack-like updates. They really need some kind of hotfix system like on Windows. What are they going to do if someone finds a critical security hole? "It should be fixed with the next update in few months, stay tuned"?
 
brotkasten said:
This, the marketplace bug and the camera settings bug should've been addressed via hotfix and not service pack-like updates. They really need some kind of hotfix system like on Windows. What are they going to do if someone finds a critical security hole? "It should be fixed with the next update in few months, stay tuned"?
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Yes , there should be hotfixes for these critical issues. That's why I agree that once or twice a year for huge updates is fine by me. But critical issues should be fixed ASAP.
 
The Abominable Snowman said:
WP7 is a beautiful system, and everytime I see mockups of how it would look with some customization, tears come to my eyes.

Take a look at these:

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touchxpneriencewp7.jpg


(OK Not so much this last one, but you get the idea:)
WindowsPhone7HTCHd31.jpg

Beautiful. Even more so if combined.

WP7 is on the verge of greatness, but slow updates + uncertainty of future is downright KILLING it.
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Even worse, not having CDMA available and thus alienating just about half of the US market is the reason for the slow start in the US. It's also making it hard for us on the CDMA side to hold out and not jump ship to Android.
 
^ Wait for honeycomb before jumping to Android.

I'm on Sprint, so if WP7 gets its act together and if Sprint ever releases any decent WP7 phones, I'm on board.

If by the time Android Honeycomb rolls around and WP7 becomes irrelevant, that's where I'm going.
 
I guess it depends on what we get in the 1st update. I want c&p, but just getting that is NOT a major update. Giving us flash or html5 or GPS or multitasking ect... would be.

Biggest problem is even Android 2.1 phones had a more feature complete browser. Let alone iOS 4 or Android 2.2 devices. They were already way behind at launch, and are taking a whole year to try and catch up to where Android and iOS were last summer. This isn't even counting where both of those platforms will be by then.
 
Brettison said:
I guess it depends on what we get in the 1st update. I want c&p, but just getting that is NOT a major update. Giving us flash or html5 or GPS or multitasking ect... would be.

Biggest problem is even Android 2.1 phones had a more feature complete browser. Let alone iOS 4 or Android 2.2 devices. They were already way behind at launch, and are taking a whole year to try and catch up to where Android and iOS were last summer. This isn't even counting where both of those platforms will be by then.
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This really is their problem in a nutshell and something I said from the beginning. They seems to think that competing with iPhone and Android from a few years ago is OK. This is really where they went wrong. I understand they are trying to rope in new smartphone users, but guess what all the new smartphone users are getting iPhone if they on At&t and android if they on Verizons or Sprint. My co-workers who is not on att and new to smartphone both went with Android because Microsoft is so slow at getting out CDMA phone. That's lost sale, lost marketshare and not to mention lost of chance for WP7 to be successful.

I have been thinking about the Atrix ... here hoping MS can give me reason to be excited about WP7 platform.
 
Brettison said:
I guess it depends on what we get in the 1st update. I want c&p, but just getting that is NOT a major update. Giving us flash or html5 or GPS or multitasking ect... would be.

Biggest problem is even Android 2.1 phones had a more feature complete browser. Let alone iOS 4 or Android 2.2 devices. They were already way behind at launch, and are taking a whole year to try and catch up to where Android and iOS were last summer. This isn't even counting where both of those platforms will be by then.
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Well, aside from c/p, there is the app speedup, which should help a ton in day to day usage. Also, the myriad fixes in general should provide a much better experience as well. I'm expecting the changelog on this update to be massive. Much more massive than the first few Android and iOS updates put together.

The browser isn't as much of an issue, even coming from a 2.2 browser, but web video is certainly a weakness on this platform, especially when you combine it with the crappy youtube support. Plus, the update isn't just html5 to catch up, we are supposed to get silverlight support, which would put it ahead of the other browsers in utility, especially if Adobe puts out their Flash solution by then. Does iOS have a free GPS turn by turn app built in now? When I had an iPhone, it most definitely didn't.

It's a continuing trend to say that they were "way behind" when they launched as a blanket statement, when in truth they had a better game framework than anyone else in the mobile space, a better multimedia experience with the only built in music subscription service, better synergy with FB out of the box, a better picture ecosystem than either platform (with the Windows Live/FB integration into the pics hub), and the best note-taking/Office solution out of the box. They STILL have a better notification system than iPhone, and a much better interface than Android. Still. Saying they are "way behind" as a blanket statement is just plain false.

Edit: The Atrix is going to be a KICKASS and super powerful phone.....that will get MAYBE one or two of the updates before Moto moves on, will never have any games that make any use of those dual core processors (or maybe 1-2) by the end of the year, if ever, the interface will still lag, Android will still lock the phone up occasionally with rogue background apps. There, I just saved you the trouble when you buy an Atrix and then look enviously upon the iPhone 5 and convince yourself that you must get that instead. The grass is always greener when a new phone/OS update/chipset is announced every month. The only solution is to get rich and own 5 phones that you just cycle in and out based on your mood like Leo Laporte does.
 
The market is fast, but not that fast. It only seems like that, because manufacturers are releasing new Android devices every three months or so. Seriously, look at the Android SDK timeline:
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quarterly updates might be too aggressive, perhaps two a year with monthly hotfixes or on a six week schedule. More inline with what Apple has been doing.
 
VanMardigan said:
It's a continuing trend to say that they were "way behind" when they launched as a blanket statement, when in truth they had a better game framework than anyone else in the mobile space, a better multimedia experience with the only built in music subscription service, better synergy with FB out of the box, a better picture ecosystem than either platform (with the Windows Live/FB integration into the pics hub), and the best note-taking/Office solution out of the box. They STILL have a better notification system than iPhone, and a much better interface than Android. Still. Saying they are "way behind" as a blanket statement is just plain false.
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This is more or less what I was going to post.... wp7 does many things better than android (as many things as android currently does better than wp7)..... same goes for ios. They all have their features and advantages.
 
I'll be satisfied for now with some fixes for the annoying issues.. the addition of copy and paste and the improved app loading.. provided that Ms provides us with a basic timeline of their future update plans..

multitasking isn't a huge deal to me, but I eventually want to see what developers can do if they have apis other than silverlight and XNA to work with..
 
http://www.wpcentral.com/kin-studio-now-completely-dead-long-live-kin-studio-windows-phone

So they kill KIN off before they could even get Windows Phone on to Verizon network ... how thoughtful of you Microsoft. (not that it really matter I guess there's only like 2 people that bought the KIN or something).

I think it would be great if they could have just intergrate all KIN cloud features onto Windows Phone but then again they probably don't want to be associate with such colossal failure.
 
antiquegamer said:
http://www.wpcentral.com/kin-studio-now-completely-dead-long-live-kin-studio-windows-phone

So they kill KIN off before they could even get Windows Phone on to Verizon network ... how thoughtful of you Microsoft. (not that it really matter I guess there's only like 2 people that bought the KIN or something).

I think it would be great if they could have just intergrate all KIN cloud features onto Windows Phone but then again they probably don't want to be associate with such colossal failure.
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They're going to integrate the KIN Studio into Windows Live, without the name of course. I, for one, can't wait for that, because so far I'm not happy with WP7 on Windows Live. Even MyPhone for WM was better than that.
 
VanMardigan said:
Some of these 'ultimatums' you guys are putting on MS are silly. And I know because I was doing the same thing in this thread. It's just dumb. We're getting a substantial update this month, and a huge one this fall. Those devices you bought last year will get major love at LEAST twice this year.

We all want stuff NOW NOW NOW NOW, but honestly, I've been on all platforms and its the same shit everywhere. My wife's Captivate she bought LAST SUMMER doesn't have Froyo. She is now two versions behind, and no indication whether she'll even get Honeycomb. I doubt it, even though her phone's hardware is up to task. Now THAT's utter bullshit. My Nexus One (which has crapped out twice in one year) doesn't have Gingerbread, FOR NO REASON.

Apple has more leverage, they have more of a whip on the carriers, and that works out great for updates. Apple has more of their shit together NOW, but I was there, front row, when they didn't have copy/paste, didn't have multitasking (I had to jb my phone). Then they do crap like not update with features across the board even if the hardware is capable (like video on the 3g). They do things (like block flash) that infuriated me, and their interface grew stale for me. But still, give them all the credit in the world, their ecosystem is great.

In terms of no new hardware announcements: those are right around the corner for Sprint and Verizon. MS will probably do a second round for AT&T/T-Mobile in the fall. Once a year hardware refreshes, but with MORE device choices than iOS. They are clearly hitting the middle ground between iOS and Android in every respect so far, there clearly IS a strategy. They aren't the media darlings, Paul Thurrot is a negative dude overall, and the lack of solid dates irritates us all.

As consumers, we all have a choice, we vote with our dollars. Feel free to jump to another platform every time you find something you don't like about your current one. I did that last year, bought three phones on three platforms in one year, then realized (just very recently) that it's not the way I should do things. The plan now is to stick with Windows Phone 7 this year. The more I use the phone, the more I like it, and Zune Pass/Xbox Live are the best bang for the buck in entertainment. There are major holes to fill, but I see holes on other platforms too, the grass is always greener....
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Why can't everyone be so reasonable?
 
Because it's not being reasonable. Consumers should expect updates and improvements for something they paid for when that is what the precedent is (WP7 is most comparable to iOS). Microsoft said an update would come out almost immediately upon, and it hasn't. They're just not saying anything at all.
 
shantyman said:
Because it's not being reasonable. Consumers should expect updates and improvements for something they paid for when that is what the precedent is (WP7 is most comparable to iOS). Microsoft said an update would come out almost immediately upon, and it hasn't. They're just not saying anything at all.
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Did they? It's always been Q1 2011/early 2011.
 
Mr. Snrub said:
Did they? It's always been Q1 2011/early 2011.
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People latch onto the numerous rumors making their way around twitter and blogs. As far as I know, Microsoft is still on track given their official statements.
 
MCD said:
Maybe they should do beta updates and let us participate.
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I am thinking we are doing the beta for Windows Phone ....

Anyway, are you guys that defend Microsoft really feel that Windows Phone 7 as it is now is feature rich and competitive with iPhone 4 and Android 2.2 ? I was listening to Engadget and really surprise how positive they are about Windows Phone 7 though they all agree that Microsoft should have do a soft launch of the phone and they really need to get the feature set up to par with the other two platform (iOs and droid).

Again, I never ask for more features, the phone did what I want it to do, what I really want is the bugs to be fix and smoother operation. New features would be nice down the line especially better Bing seach but for me by now the bugs and the little things should have been fixed and not let fester.

May be Microsoft will surprise us and have a lot of stuff plan for the upcoming conference in Barcelona. Personally I think they need to constantly energize the fanbase to get the words out and if they can't keep the first day buyers interest in the platform then they really have no chance.
 
The Abominable Snowman said:
WP7 is a beautiful system, and everytime I see mockups of how it would look with some customization, tears come to my eyes.

Take a look at these:

http://pocketnow.com/html/portal/news/0000012066//wallpaper.jpg
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hpho...4713037342_361437362341_6094885_6944891_n.jpg
http://pocketnow.com/html/portal/news/0000013743//touchxpneriencewp7.jpg

(OK Not so much this last one, but you get the idea:)
http://www.machackpc.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/WindowsPhone7HTCHd31.jpg
Beautiful. Even more so if combined.

WP7 is on the verge of greatness, but slow updates + uncertainty of future is downright KILLING it.
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Those look atrocious

Spent the weekend on a road trip playing with my friend's WP7...can't wait to see what they have in store for MWC before I jump in. Hopefully they have something though because the news in this thread is really putting a downer on the whole thing. Like promising an update soon and then crickets
 
shantyman said:
The day after release, Joe Belfiore said:



http://windowsphonesecrets.com/2010...-and-carriers-ability-to-block-those-updates/

Very soon is not three months later.
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The update was obviously delayed (Thurrot confirmed this, iirc).

See, this is exactly why they don't want to talk about any release dates if it's not 100% certain. They only mentioned a month, it got delayed and everyone is going nuts. Apple does a much better job at this by announcing new stuff WHEN IT'S DONE. Then again, that wouldn't work for Microsoft, because the pressure is much higher, so they need to talk about future stuff.

ant1532 said:
probably a stupid question... BUT...

do windows 7 phones sync with itunes music libraries?
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Only if you have a Mac.
 
brotkasten said:
See, this is exactly why they don't want to talk about any release dates if it's not 100% certain. They only mentioned a month, it got delayed and everyone if going nuts. Apple does a much better job at this by announcing new stuff WHEN IT'S DONE. Then again, that wouldn't work for Microsoft, because the pressure is much higher, so they need to talk about future stuff.
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Not to mention that unlike Apple, Microsoft tends to work with a lot of partners, any of which could leak.

Which then the internet latches onto, and by the time any official response occurs, rumors have been spread all over the place and taken as gospel.
 
Dell Venue Pro coming to Canada via Rogers according to leaked pic on BGR! March release. If no HSPA+ handset is announced by then I know what I'm getting :)

For Anericans, you'd be able to use it on AT&T once unlocked.
 
brotkasten said:
The update was obviously delayed (Thurrot confirmed this, iirc).

See, this is exactly why they don't want to talk about any release dates if it's not 100% certain. They only mentioned a month, it got delayed and everyone is going nuts. Apple does a much better job at this by announcing new stuff WHEN IT'S DONE. Then again, that wouldn't work for Microsoft, because the pressure is much higher, so they need to talk about future stuff.
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Why doesn't MS send out betas? Apple lets developers (and friends of developers) beta test every non-bugfix update for about 2-4 weeks before it sends it out into the wild.
 
numble said:
Why doesn't MS send out betas? Apple lets developers (and friends of developers) beta test every non-bugfix update for about 2-4 weeks before it sends it out into the wild.
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I don't get that either. Devs are paying $99 per year, they should have access to betas. It's always good to have more beta testers out there and getting more feedback an specific stuff.
 
brotkasten said:
I don't get that either. Devs are paying $99 per year, they should have access to betas. It's always good to have more beta testers out there and getting more feedback an specific stuff.
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I remember reading that the C&P update was pushed out to people with dev phones (i.e. the Samsung Taylor) a long time ago.

Edit: Just did a quick search, it was early December.
 
If they don't show anything off at MWC, would you consider the platform basically dead? Considering that literally nothing has leaked and the buzz is just like it was pre-CES (nonexistent)...a little worried here. And this time they can't base an entire presentation around copy/paste.
 
Korey said:
If they don't show anything off at MWC, would you consider the platform basically dead? Considering that literally nothing has leaked and the buzz is just like it was pre-CES (nonexistent)...a little worried here. And this time they can't base an entire presentation around copy/paste.
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Yes.

However, Microsoft will show something off at MWC because last year that's the same place they revealed WP7.
 
PG2G said:
I remember reading that the C&P update was pushed out to people with dev phones (i.e. the Samsung Taylor) a long time ago.

Edit: Just did a quick search, it was early December.
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That's correct, but not every dev has a dev phone. They can unlock their retail devices to sideload the apps (that's how the Chevron jailbreak works).

And yes, if Microsoft doesn't show anything at MWC, WP7 is dead. Forever. They already stopped the development and fired the entire team.
 
claviertekky said:
Yes.

However, Microsoft will show something off at MWC because last year that's the same place they revealed WP7.
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I'm worried that they'll just do some Sprint/Verizon stuff and won't show off anything new. While that's a big deal, I hope they show off something to show that WP7 is looking forward past the first gen

brotkasten said:
That's correct, but not every dev has a dev phone. They can unlock their retail devices to sideload the apps (that's how the Chevron jailbreak works).

And yes, if Microsoft doesn't show anything at MWC, WP7 is dead. Forever. They already stopped the development and fired the entire team.
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Yea, that's what happened with the Kin :\ And I just read that they closed the Kin Studio recently
 
Does anyone of you know if App Devs send out promo codes for their Apps? I'm just wondering, because we don't see that much coverage. Even WPCentral only review very few Apps. :/
 
The majority of you just sound so insecure with your purchase. Why purchase something you are THAT insecure about?

I don't even have one (or any smartphone) yet and I'm more secure about the platform's future than those that actually purchased and use it. Unfortunate.
 
Darth Tigris said:
The majority of you just sound so insecure with your purchase. Why purchase something you are THAT insecure about?

I don't even have one (or any smartphone) yet and I'm more secure about the platform's future than those that actually purchased and use it. Unfortunate.
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That's not insecurity. That's "I bought this device and it doesn't work right"

I'm planning to get the Venue Pro in March. Microsoft has between that time and August 2012 when I'm due for another upgrade to convince me to get their next device. Otherwise, iOS, Android, and BlackBerry are going to win me over.
 
Firestorm said:
I'm planning to get the Venue Pro in March. Microsoft has between that time and August 2011 when I'm due for another upgrade to convince me to get their next device.
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What kind of awesome unCanadianesque contract are you on?!
 
dream said:
What kind of awesome unCanadianesque contract are you on?!
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Wrote that wrong. August 2012. I upgraded last in August 2009 to the iPhone 4 to sell so I could buy a WP7 at launch. However, I didn't like the phones and I got a job that would provide me with a new phone to play with so I decided to wait.
 
Darth Tigris said:
The majority of you just sound so insecure with your purchase. Why purchase something you are THAT insecure about?

I don't even have one (or any smartphone) yet and I'm more secure about the platform's future than those that actually purchased and use it. Unfortunate.
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Buyers remorse, happens to everyone. I buy shit I really want and still get it.
 
at the moment it is only frustration about the slowness of it all. microsoft is slow.
that is why people are angry, confused and bitter.
once, the update is there, people will be a bit happier.

still, there are things that suck about this. but if you want a nice and fast experience, you should get it.
and btw, i dont knwo about this "what if it fails and it wont be continued" mentality - usually people replace their phones after 2 years. if those two years sucked, everyone can get a different phone. the core features are there.
 
The only thing I'm pissed about is how my new replacement Focus will randomly shut down if not handled like a delicate feather when set onto any surface. Set it into the cupholder in my car, shut down. Set it on my desk at work, shut down. Christ. Twice today, even.
 
Darth Tigris said:
The majority of you just sound so insecure with your purchase. Why purchase something you are THAT insecure about?

I don't even have one (or any smartphone) yet and I'm more secure about the platform's future than those that actually purchased and use it. Unfortunate.
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I could wait for the updates if what I already own worked like it appeared to. I'd be okay waiting for say a browser update and copy and paste if the rest of the phone worked fine. To many little bugs and annoying issues aren't getting fixed though. I've browsed the marketplace once on my phone in the past 2 weeks purely because I don't want to deal with the bug, and I sigh everytime I go to take a photo and have to change my settings.

Again I could deal with some of the updates taking a bit if everything else was smooth. It just isn't.
 
I am happy with my device... aside from application loading speed and a few bugs like the marketplace freeze/crash.

Obviously I'd like to see some additional features, but the main thing I feel like I'm missing is only a few OS fixes..

Microsoft should be pursuing a more aggressive update schedule.. if not for features, at least for fixing issues.

If all of the windows phone users are getting unhappy, then the good word of mouth MS has been enjoying is going to wane..

The update needs to get here already... with a roadmap of future updates presented at MWC.
 
Angelus Errare said:
Buyers remorse, happens to everyone. I buy shit I really want and still get it.
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I have no buyer remorse I can tell you that much. More like buyer disappointment because I thought for sure this time Microsoft would get it right because they finally understand how important mobile market is but apparently they don't. They still clng to the notion that Windows destop is for everthing and that platform like Xbox and now Windows Phone is like a side project.

It really not until recently that they really got aggressive with Xbox and my feeling is they could do more. With Apple TV and Google TV gearing up they will loose what advantage they have. (Just like they lost out on Win Mobile share by sitting idle by and let competitor get so far ahead before reacting).

I love my phone and I used it way more than when I had the iPhone. I take it everywhere I go something I didn't do with my iPhone. It's a joy to use when it doesn't crash and stutter. I want it to succeed because I really like the platform. If from my rant you felt that I hate the platform that you couldn't be more wrong. That said, 3 months in mobile space is a long long time regardless of how you feel about where Windows Phone is feature-wise. When I bought iPad last year, browsing of the iTunes on iPad was a mess and while it currently is still a bit cumbersome, Apple took quick step (I think withing a month) to remedy that. Crashing marketplace, unable to download podcast over the air and way to manage your app should be on top of the list of things to get done quickly and not something that wait for "Service Pack" like update.

Again, love the phone, show it off to everyone that ask me about it. Recommend the phone to them is another story.
 
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