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My phone works pretty damn well. I'm really look to the updates to add functionality, I'm not so concerned with bug fixes. None of the bugs are critical, and the majority of them can be taken care of with a simple reboot (which takes like 1/5th the time that my iPhone took).

That said, I have experienced the occasional Zune and Marketplace issue, but not often enough to really give a damn. Either you guys are blowing things WAY out of proportion or your experience is vastly different from mine.
 
I can't say I have buyers remorse. All but one of my friends have Android phones, the other has an iPhone. When we're sitting messing around, it's not like they're having some insane experience that I'm pining for or anything. Quite the opposite in fact, they all adore the WP7 interface. If the iPhone user recommends a particularly good app, I whip out my iPod Touch.
 
antiquegamer said:
They still clng to the notion that Windows destop is for everthing and that platform like Xbox and now Windows Phone is like a side project.

It really not until recently that they really got aggressive with Xbox and my feeling is they could do more. With Apple TV and Google TV gearing up they will loose what advantage they have. (Just like they lost out on Win Mobile share by sitting idle by and let competitor get so far ahead before reacting)..

1. Let's see wait and hear something about Windows 8 before we make our decisions. The fact that it will run on ARM is already a good sign

2. Pushing Silverlight applications for Xbox 360, Windows Phone, AND Windows 7/Tablet does show that they are headed in a consistent direction and we maybe seeing some unification. A lot of the Silverlight Windows 7 Tablet apps are even using the Metro UI and are hitting both the Tablet and WP7 (see Flickr and Mosaic). Imagine seeing a Metro UI across all 3 platforms with apps that work on both big and small screens.

3. Apple TV sucks and Google TV seems like quite the failure as of now
 
Mr. Snrub said:
The only thing I'm pissed about is how my new replacement Focus will randomly shut down if not handled like a delicate feather when set onto any surface. Set it into the cupholder in my car, shut down. Set it on my desk at work, shut down. Christ. Twice today, even.

I notice that my reboot problem seems to minimize after I reseat the battery. It only reboot once so far in the past week and that was when I set the phone in a cart and it was bouncing around. I am kinda of worry about my replacement Focus as my actually works great aside from that random reboot.

Do you use any case for the phone? Browsing the Windows Phone 7 forum a lot of people report problem with those gel case as they are "too snug" and pushing on the power button on the phone and causing the reboot. Alternatively you can try to see if the battery is seat properly. I notice the mechanism on the battery contact looks a little flimsy and that may be the cause of my phone problem and could be yours.
 
PG2G said:
1. Let's see wait and hear something about Windows 8 before we make our decisions. The fact that it will run on ARM is already a good sign

2. Pushing Silverlight applications for Xbox 360, Windows Phone, AND Windows 7/Tablet does show that they are headed in a consistent direction and we maybe seeing some unification. A lot of the Silverlight Windows 7 Tablet apps are even using the Metro UI and are hitting both the Tablet and WP7 (see Flickr and Mosaic). Imagine seeing a Metro UI across all 3 platforms with apps that work on both big and small screens.

3. Apple TV sucks and Google TV seems like quite the failure as of now

Oh I don't disagree with you that Apple TV and Google TV suck but they are moving into that space. Microsoft already have it lock up why not espand the Xbox platform? Get more "app" onto Live may be open up the UI a bit more and allow a user customize section (even in my Xbox tap) to let people install app that tailor to their usage.

As for Silverligt application and the curent move to Metro interface is a good sign. I love Metro interface and even when my iPad is around, I often find myself prefer browsing news feed off my Windows Phone despite the tiny little screen. I can stay in bed and browse without the heavy iPad to hold up and the interface is a joy to use compare to the iPad.

As for marketplace crashing, it happen I woud say 1 out of 3 times that I browse Marketplace, it happen if you linger especially in the "free" section of the app and game. I can assure you it's not exageration or hyperbole.. Zune crashing doesn't happen often but when it does it is quite annoying especially as I sat on the couch reading book and have to get up to reset the phone.

The phone do reboot fast but that should not make it OK for commonly use app like marketplace to crash so often. While iPhone do take a long time to reboot, the frequency that I have to reboot it is a lot less than I have to with my Windows Phone. I probably reboot Windows Phone more for the last 3 month than the 3 years tha I have the iPhone.

In another news, how interest are any of you of having Nokia phone with WinPhone 7 UI?

http://www.wpcentral.com/analyst-insists-nokia-must-build-wp7-future

Some seems to think that this is marriage that should happen. I am not that savvy about mobile platform and haven't look at Nokia phone since I got the iPhone few years back.
 
antiquegamer said:
I notice that my reboot problem seems to minimize after I reseat the battery. It only reboot once so far in the past week and that was when I set the phone in a cart and it was bouncing around. I am kinda of worry about my replacement Focus as my actually works great aside from that random reboot.

Do you use any case for the phone? Browsing the Windows Phone 7 forum a lot of people report problem with those gel case as they are "too snug" and pushing on the power button on the phone and causing the reboot. Alternatively you can try to see if the battery is seat properly. I notice the mechanism on the battery contact looks a little flimsy and that may be the cause of my phone problem and could be yours.

No, no case here. I reseated it tonight, we'll see how it goes. It's so weird--my first Focus didn't have this problem, only my damned replacement.
 
Nokia makes amazing phones. It's just nobody gives a damn about Symbian. Everything the iPhone has, Nokia put in a phone 5 years before. Nokia would be a huge win for Microsoft.
 
Angelus Errare said:
Buyers remorse, happens to everyone. I buy shit I really want and still get it.
No buyers remorse here. Mainly because I don't use the marketplace on my phone (combined search results are too annoying), so the crashing doesn't affect me at all. I have other ways to search or skim through the MP (www.marketplacebrowser.com, www.wp7applist.com, AppTracker on the phone for international ratings). Reminds me that I should posts new stuff in the app and gaming thread ...

Mr. Snrub said:
The only thing I'm pissed about is how my new replacement Focus will randomly shut down if not handled like a delicate feather when set onto any surface. Set it into the cupholder in my car, shut down. Set it on my desk at work, shut down. Christ. Twice today, even.
Why are you still using it? This is just crazy. I'd replace that ASAP.
 
Mr. Snrub said:
No, no case here. I reseated it tonight, we'll see how it goes. It's so weird--my first Focus didn't have this problem, only my damned replacement.

I think you have defective replacement ... a lot of people on the board all complain about high defective rate of Focus phone. I agree with brokasten you should get it replace while you still can.

I am afraid of getting my replacement and have something else more serious go wrong. I can deal with occasional rebooting but if the phone shut down when I set it down or bump it the wrong way that would really piss me off.
 
Another roommate in our 7 person house bought a WP7. The total is up to 4 (2 Focus, 2 HD7) now, with two more planning to get one!

Gotta say, it's good fun. We've been playing a lot of SpellIt (multiplayer scrabble) and letting each other know if they find any good apps or games.
 
Firestorm said:
Nokia makes amazing phones. It's just nobody gives a damn about Symbian. Everything the iPhone has, Nokia put in a phone 5 years before. Nokia would be a huge win for Microsoft.

I might bite if some good Nokia hardware comes with WP7.

I've toyed with the idea of getting a E52 until a really compelling smartphone/tablet comes along. I love Nokia's stuff.
 
antiquegamer said:
I think you have defective replacement ... a lot of people on the board all complain about high defective rate of Focus phone. I agree with brokasten you should get it replace while you still can.

I am afraid of getting my replacement and have something else more serious go wrong. I can deal with occasional rebooting but if the phone shut down when I set it down or bump it the wrong way that would really piss me off.

Reseated the battery last night and haven't had any issues. If they continue into the next week, I'll get a replacement. Hopefully without having to pay the $50 insurance deductible.
 
I don't mess with apps that much, don't do much music listening or playing games. I do a lot of text messaging, calling, facebook browsing (through people hub), and neogaf browsing and still love my Focus.

The user experience is holding up very well for me.
 
TylerD said:
I have realized that I am pretty much the opposite of a power user with this phone. I don't mess with apps that much, don't do much music listening, game playing, etc. I do a lot of text messaging, calling, face booking, photo taking and neogaf browsing and still love my Focus a lot.

Photo and video taking doesn't annoy the shit out of you on your focus? Not having saved settings sucks, and they really need a fix for the low light thing.
 
Brettison said:
Photo and video taking doesn't annoy the shit out of you on your focus? Not having saved settings sucks, and they really need a fix for the low light thing.

Well, the photo taking is usually just a quick shot to upload to Facebook or send out in a text msg once in a while. I usually don't mess with the settings other than turning the flash on or off. That is annoying though. If I get a position I am going for I will probably be getting rid of my personal phone because I will get an iPhone 4 with yearly upgrade and unlimited data, text and voice.

Even paying the early termination fee I am going to be saving so much money.
 
Brettison said:
Photo and video taking doesn't annoy the shit out of you on your focus? Not having saved settings sucks, and they really need a fix for the low light thing.
I take as many pictures on this as I did on my iPhone and nexus one. Its a little annoying, but its not a huge deal since its so simple to change settings if I have to. Plus we are getting an update this month so no biggie.

A bigger problem for me was the blurry photos, but I learned to hold the camera button slightly, let it adjust, then fire off the shot. This thing takes really nice pictures.
 
VanMardigan said:
I take as many pictures on this as I did on my iPhone and nexus one. Its a little annoying, but its not a huge deal since its so simple to change settings if I have to. Plus we are getting an update this month so no biggie.

You know, they never said that the update will fix that issue.

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brotkasten said:
You know, they never said that the update will fix that issue.
Well if they don't, I'm throwing this phone in the garbage and buying an atrix and iPhone 5!!!!

But yeah, if the amount of times its been brought up in this thread is any indication, MS knows about it for sure.
 
VanMardigan said:
Well if they don't, I'm throwing this phone in the garbage and buying an atrix and iPhone 5!!!!

But yeah, if the amount of times its been brought up in this thread is any indication, MS knows about it for sure.

Speaking of taking pictures, the new Flickr app is really nice, beat that crappy Flickr manager that came out when the phone launch. edit: looks like review said it's crashy buggy mess..

Yeah, with this long of an update and bug fix, MS better be squashing as many as they can.
 
The camera settings thing seems more like a design decision than a bug. It's just a design decision that a lot of people aren't really happy with :P

I doubt it's high on their list of things to do.
 
Mr. Snrub said:
Reseated the battery last night and haven't had any issues. If they continue into the next week, I'll get a replacement. Hopefully without having to pay the $50 insurance deductible.

Why would you? Unless I missed a post somewhere (tbh I wasn't looking :P) you're covered by the warranty for 1 year.
 
So i'm a current user of the evo (sprint) and would be eligible for upgrade by november, are there NEW windows phones coming out that will also come to sprint/verizon/tmobile, or are they gonna just release the old ones on att now on them? Any rumors? Updates?

Thanks!
 
goldenpp72 said:
So i'm a current user of the evo (sprint) and would be eligible for upgrade by november, are there NEW windows phones coming out that will also come to sprint/verizon/tmobile, or are they gonna just release the old ones on att now on them? Any rumors? Updates?

Thanks!
All we know is that the CDMA update got delayed for half a year and phones are coming at the end of Q2 2011. The HTC 7 Trophy is rumored to be a Verizon phone, but it could also be limited to Microsoft employees.

vzw-ms-wp7-offer-lg.jpg


Another rumor would be the Omnia7 for a CDMA carrier, but I can't even remember where I read that. So far we know nothing about new phones, but we hope to see something new at MWC next week.

Microsoft's Brandon Watson was a guest at the latest PPCGeek podcast and confirmed the release of the new developers tools with an updated OS image. It's going to be available on February 4th (so today or tomorrow, depending where you are right now).

Other things they talked about:
The Chevron WP7 Unlocker team was NOT paid for their services, and are being kept in contact (Unofficially) to help get input for the devs

The update coming out late Thursday or Early Friday will be involving a new OS image, which will include Copy Paste Assistance for developers, and hints to a OS update in the coming month. We assume by the end of Feb. Early March [he said 'very soon, soon or whenever it drops' and wouldn't confirm any date]

All apps on the market WILL get Copy and Paste, WITHOUT any updates made by the developer

The new OS Image will include compatibility for CDMA, and CDMA is promised by the end of Quarter 2 of 2011.

The OS is looking to grab more devs in general and help them get back on track and interested in WP7's software
http://www.ppcgeeks.com/2011/02/03/this-thursdays-ppcgp-welcome-microsofts-brandon-watson/
 
goldenpp72 said:
So i'm a current user of the evo (sprint) and would be eligible for upgrade by november, are there NEW windows phones coming out that will also come to sprint/verizon/tmobile, or are they gonna just release the old ones on att now on them? Any rumors? Updates?

Thanks!
November would be a year since the release of WP7 and should be around the time of the first major os update. I would be extremely surprised if there wasn't new hardware by then.
 
After all those rumors and Analysts talking out of their ass, I guess something is going to happen next week.

As Nokia comes up on Capital Markets Day next Friday -- an event where the company has historically unveiled interesting things and launched important initiatives -- rumors are once again swirling that they're going to be announcing a major platform shift by way of a competitor. Both Android and Windows Mobile have come up in the past on multiple occasions, owing in no small part to the fact that Nokia's had an outward appearance of spinning its platform wheels on the backs of S60 and Maemo for far, far too long, but so far, nothing's materialized. This time around, it's said that Microsoft will be the partner announced on the 11th -- and though Nokia's uptake of Windows Phone 7 would be the obvious strategic shift, it's important to note that these companies have actually partnered before with pretty trivial consequences for the market; it's entirely possible they could be ramping up to do that again, sharing apps and services between Windows Phone 7 and S60 / MeeGo. We doubt it, but it's within the realm of reason.

But turning our attention back to the major platform shift, there are a couple factors that add a little more credibility to the rumor this time. First off, the elephant in the room: recently-appointed CEO Stephen Elop comes from Microsoft on good terms and has clearly been given marching orders to take Nokia in a new, more profitable direction; the Symbian Foundation's gutting happened on Elop's watch, for example, and he just hinted a few days ago that joining an existing ecosystem could make sense. More importantly, though, we've got a trusted source of our own who's now saying that the tide has turned and this appears to be happening at Capital Markets Day -- and that one of Nokia's existing platforms will be dropped as a direct result. It's hard to pick which one that'd be: S60, though terribly out-of-date, is still wildly popular in Europe and emerging markets, while MeeGo is technically promising but has yet to make any impact in the market whatsoever. On the flipside, noted Microsoft pundit Mary Jo Foley doesn't put a lot of stock in this latest round of rumors.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/04/nokia-microsoft-announcing-partnership-next-week-possibly-invo/

But what will it be?
Silverlight for MeeGo
Office for MeeGo
Windows Phone 7 on Nokia hardware?

We'll see!
 
I really hope Nokia switches to WP7.

I really wouldn't recommend Symbian phones to anyone.

E.g. my mother's contract will be renewed soon (so she'll get a new phone). She won't have mobile internet and apps are not important to her. But a good camera and (offline) navigation would be great.
One option would be the Nokia N8. Great hardware, aluminum body, high resolution camera, free GPS with offline navigation.
And yet I would not recommend that phone because of the OS.

I can't really recommend her a WP7 phone either, since that wouldn't make much sense without mobile internet. (Although the user interface would be perfect for her)
 
There was a good discussion about the Nokia event either on Windows Weekly or TWiT this week. Basically, Stephen Elop isn't going to just shit on Microsoft after leaving on good terms, so WP7 support is practically a given. But at the same time, he needs to prove to his shareholders that he won't just be a puppet to his former employer, and will do what's right overall.

My guess is that it'll be a broad strategy that involves not just WP7, but Android as well.
 
would it make sense for Nokia to go with Microsoft though?....if they go with WP7 they are basically locked into the OS considering Microsoft has complete control and restricts the amount of customization

compare that to Android where Nokia could basically do whatever they wanted

best bet would be to make bets on both (i.e HTC, Samsung, LG etc) and then they can decide in the future if they want to support one exclusively.....
 
brotkasten said:
The HTC 7 Trophy is rumored to be a Verizon phone, but it could also be limited to Microsoft employees.


Don't know about that, but we didn't get exclusive access to any phone models. Same as normal consumers.
 
jey_16 said:
would it make sense for Nokia to go with Microsoft though?....if they go with WP7 they are basically locked into the OS considering Microsoft has complete control and restricts the amount of customization

compare that to Android where Nokia could basically do whatever they wanted

best bet would be to make bets on both (i.e HTC, Samsung, LG etc) and then they can decide in the future if they want to support one exclusively.....
There are costs involved with adopting Android / WP7 that they may not be willing to make yet. I think WP7 only at first might be the way to go - especially if Microsoft gives them a kickback.
 
Firestorm said:
There are costs involved with adopting Android / WP7 that they may not be willing to make yet. I think WP7 only at first might be the way to go - especially if Microsoft gives them a kickback.

Microsoft to announce their own hardware, manufactured by Nokia..

Or at least, a guy can dream, right?
 
Robobandit said:
Microsoft to announce their own hardware, manufactured by Nokia..

Or at least, a guy can dream, right?
A Nexus-type agreement for a Zune HD-style device would be beneficial for both parties methinks.
 
ok, my app list is growing like crazy. i don't wanna see folders but i'd like to see the apps broken down by alphabetical order like the people hub. just press a letter and bring up only those apps that begin with that letter.
 
Firestorm said:
A Nexus-type agreement for a Zune HD-style device would be beneficial for both parties methinks.

I think WP7 would stand to benefit with marquee type device like Droid X. I though dell could be such device but the more I read about the problem with the device it seems that probably a bad idea. That said, I would give Dell Venue a look if they release improve version for AT&t.

http://www.wpcentral.com/fix-your-venue-pro-kill-your-warranty

Speaking of hardware problem, it seems to reboot/freeze is having to do with memory management with SD card. I read report of Dell experience problem with "bad" SD card and report the HTC HD7 Sd card come loose and causing reset and reboot.

http://wmpoweruser.com/restoring-your-back-whoops-there-are-none/
 
So what's the state of Win Phone 7? I was always impressed with hands on demonstrations, but a friend of mine has had an HTC HD7 for a couple weeks now and is regretting it. He indicated that there are a lot of bugs popping up (random crashes or other weird behavior) in addition to lousy performance with some apps. I saw it myself when I tried the Ilo Milo demo. The initial load screen took over a minute and, once the game start, it took a full level before the game smoothed out. It was really choppy and slow most of the time. We found this to be the case with most games.

The interface seems smooth and awesome, though.

So what's the deal then? Does that HD7 simply suck or does Win Phone 7 really need an update? To me, it seems much better than Android after a few minutes, but I'm disappointed to learn of these types of problems.
 
dark10x said:
So what's the state of Win Phone 7? I was always impressed with hands on demonstrations, but a friend of mine has had an HTC HD7 for a couple weeks now and is regretting it. He indicated that there are a lot of bugs popping up (random crashes or other weird behavior) in addition to lousy performance with some apps. I saw it myself when I tried the Ilo Milo demo. The initial load screen took over a minute and, once the game start, it took a full level before the game smoothed out. It was really choppy and slow most of the time. We found this to be the case with most games.

The interface seems smooth and awesome, though.

So what's the deal then? Does that HD7 simply suck or does Win Phone 7 really need an update? To me, it seems much better than Android after a few minutes, but I'm disappointed to learn of these types of problems.
Honestly can't say I've had any problems at all with game framerate (Samsung Omnia 7). Ilo Milo runs as smooth as butter once it's loaded (which, admittedly is longer than it should be). Yup, few apps do take a while to load, but that is one of the key things they're fixing in the next update (due very soon). In terms of stability, mine has been fine. There is a key bug with the marketplace which crashes it every so often (happened to me 3-4 times in 2 months) which I think is also due for a fix, but other than that I haven't had a problem with regards to performance. I certainly much prefer it to what I've used of Android.
 
Yeah ilomilo runs smooth on my Samsung focus and since all the phones have the same chipset, it should run smooth on the hd7 as well. Third party apps and games take too long to load, yes, but there is an update soon that should help. The load times are the most striking difference when coming off other high end smartphones like an Evo where most apps boot quickly, and once they are loaded into memory they open up instantaneously. First party apps, and of course the os in general is really smooth and work pretty quickly though.
 
dark10x said:
So what's the state of Win Phone 7? I was always impressed with hands on demonstrations, but a friend of mine has had an HTC HD7 for a couple weeks now and is regretting it. He indicated that there are a lot of bugs popping up (random crashes or other weird behavior) in addition to lousy performance with some apps. I saw it myself when I tried the Ilo Milo demo. The initial load screen took over a minute and, once the game start, it took a full level before the game smoothed out. It was really choppy and slow most of the time. We found this to be the case with most games.

The interface seems smooth and awesome, though.

So what's the deal then? Does that HD7 simply suck or does Win Phone 7 really need an update? To me, it seems much better than Android after a few minutes, but I'm disappointed to learn of these types of problems.

HD7 is also another phone that use SD card as internal memory I think which lead me to believe many of the freezing, crashing etc on these phone have to do with Windows Phone 7 and the way it access memory especially on SD card.

Your friend probably should replace the phone he probably have one with "bad" sdcard inside.

Here is an article on replacing SD card in Dell Venue Pro and the problem seems to go away.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/cell-phon...sd-cards-i-turned-mine-into-a-32gb-model/5405
 
antiquegamer said:
I think WP7 would stand to benefit with marquee type device like Droid X. I though dell could be such device but the more I read about the problem with the device it seems that probably a bad idea. That said, I would give Dell Venue a look if they release improve version for AT&t.
There's a version of the Dell Venue Pro coming to Rogers so I'm sure it'll hit AT&T as well unless Dell has an exclusivity agreement with T-Mobile. I'm hoping it's improved as the release date is March... I'm assuming HSPA+ is too much to ask for though :(
 
I don't really think there is a point for a Nexus type device for WP7. The reason for the Nexus device was to start certain trends for the high end phones. All of the WP7 phones use the same hardware and its not the OEMs fault, its Microsoft's.
 
PG2G said:
I don't really think there is a point for a Nexus type device for WP7. The reason for the Nexus device was to start certain trends for the high end phones. All of the WP7 phones use the same hardware and its not the OEMs fault, its Microsoft's.
Then I guess the Droid X is a better example. They just need a flagship phone they can market.

We never had flagship Android phones marketed in Canada and the state of Android here is pathetic.
 
Firestorm said:
Then I guess the Droid X is a better example. They just need a flagship phone they can market.

We never had flagship Android phones marketed in Canada and the state of Android here is pathetic.

Motorola and Verizon market the Droid X, not Google. MS has not and should not play favorites here, they need manufacturers to keep making WP7 devices that have broad appeal. I think the marquee device right now is the Samsung Focus, and it's a beautiful phone with one of the best screens on a mobile device today and a gigahertz processor. It gets top billing in the ads and on the Microsoft website, but that's as far as I think MS should take it.

They've also done a ton of work with AT&T to promote the phone in stores and on tv (including product placement), and to feature it in a lot of different BOGO/$99 dollar deals. One thing they haven't done, which I think they should do, is to partner up with the manufacturers, ALL of them, to promote the specific phones, by showing off the features and the OS. Plus, we all agree that the "really" ads are funny, but ineffective in showing off what this OS can do and how beautiful it is.
 
VanMardigan said:
Motorola and Verizon market the Droid X, not Google. MS has not and should not play favorites here, they need manufacturers to keep making WP7 devices that have broad appeal. I think the marquee device right now is the Samsung Focus, and it's a beautiful phone with one of the best screens on a mobile device today and a gigahertz processor. It gets top billing in the ads and on the Microsoft website, but that's as far as I think MS should take it.

They've also done a ton of work with AT&T to promote the phone in stores and on tv (including product placement), and to feature it in a lot of different BOGO/$99 dollar deals. One thing they haven't done, which I think they should do, is to partner up with the manufacturers, ALL of them, to promote the specific phones, by showing off the features and the OS. Plus, we all agree that the "really" ads are funny, but ineffective in showing off what this OS can do and how beautiful it is.

I have the focus and its a great phone but its nothing special (that is not available on android... infact android has a direct copy of it in the captivate). What WP7 needs is that "exclusive" device that everybody can rally around (which the focus is not, the dell venue pro could be it but there is 0 advertising for it). Android has all the other phones like the captivate to fill out the options (which is all wp7 has right now). They desperately need that exclusive brand.

Its very telling imo when half of the people I talk to about phones have no idea what android is but want/have that "droid phone". Droid is the brand for android and not the other way around. What wp7 needs is that same type of brand around a premiere device that only dell or nokia could bring (motorola has already chosen android).
 
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