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I do think there is a definite lack of Halo device for WP7.
Not one of the current phones elicits gadget lust; they're all kind of middling. I would say it's the main reason I've held out. As someone with a living room based around Media Center 7, an Xbox Live account, and a being big user of Skydrive, the platform is pretty much perfect for me. The current line up of phones, however, are not.
I don't know if it's a matter of tepid manufactures that don't want to commit resources to a unproven product, Microsoft not supporting the hardware, or something else.
I hope Nokia gets on board and releases something truly special. I love their hardware, but am 'meh' on their software.
Not one of the current phones elicits gadget lust; they're all kind of middling. I would say it's the main reason I've held out. As someone with a living room based around Media Center 7, an Xbox Live account, and a being big user of Skydrive, the platform is pretty much perfect for me. The current line up of phones, however, are not.
I don't know if it's a matter of tepid manufactures that don't want to commit resources to a unproven product, Microsoft not supporting the hardware, or something else.
I hope Nokia gets on board and releases something truly special. I love their hardware, but am 'meh' on their software.
They'll have to help because Verizon and AT&T have no reason to promote WP7. Verizon was driven to do so for Android due to lack of the iPhone. And from what I understand, T-Mobile and Sprint aren't big enough in the US.VanMardigan said:
That was actually Google's solution to reduce fragmentation.claviertekky said:
antiquegamer
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claviertekky said:
I don't think that's the reason for fragmentation on the android, it's more because of the carriers I thought.
Dell Venue Pro should be the marquee phone, where it would be available on several carrier and you can buy it as unsubsidized phone if you wish. They wouldn't get special treatment from MS but they would be "THE" face of windows phone. I think Dell would be if it were not for the fact that phone is a big mess. From all the pictures I see the phone is beautiful with curve glass, fancy back and even pull out keyboard.
I am still thinking about finding LG Optimus 7 and get to play around with one yesterday at Costco. The phone is really heavy... may be I am just so use to the Focus being so light.
On the subject of promoting the phone, I was reading on one of the Windows Phone sites that T-mobile were steering people away from Windows Phone 7 saying it's a crappy Windows mobile. When I went to At&t, the rep know nothing about Windows Phone and would rather sell people one of the iPhone. I think thats one thing Microsoft really need to do to promote the phone, if they are not going to have marquee phone.
Darth Tigris
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Firestorm said:
Actually Verizon, AT&T, Sprint and T-Mobile have every reason to promote WP7. Why?
Because there are people that there that want it and WILL want it and with it being available everywhere (eventually) its more important to drive those interested ones to a phone on YOUR network. Verizon already proved it works with the Droid line.
antiquegamer
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It looks like the camera setting is by design which is fine but they really should add "favorite setting" for the camera especially if they are not letting 3rd party app access camera api and people that have emulator running latest update said the camera 'isssue" was still there.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
antiquegamer said:
What kind of "design" is that to forget the user's preferred setting? That makes literally no sense. It's not a big deal to me, but I can't see a single person in the world who would want a camera app that doesn't keep the settings just the way you like it for the next time you open it up. I'd like to see the "design" principle behind that.
antiquegamer
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VanMardigan said:
http://wmpoweruser.com/camera-settings-still-not-retained-in-windows-phone-7-update/
This seems to be true because if I change my camera setting return to the start screen and use back button to get back to "tombstone" camera it DOES retain my setting. When it doesn't work is when you restart camera app or use camera button to wake the phone up.
" whenever we click on an application from the Start it will always relaunch the application as if it wasnt already running. This means that if the application was previously in the background (or Tombstoned) it will be terminated and restarted. Alternatively, clicking Back to get back to a running application will return the application to the foreground in the state it was in"
Also here is an interesting reading on how WP7 "multitask" where the wmpoweruser excerpt came from
http://nicksnettravels.builttoroam....a-Go-Backe280a6-No-I-mean-the-other-Back.aspx
Most annoying thing today for the lack of 3rd party ability to run in the background, I got message from my brother in law and it exit out from my TwiT podcast streaming which then have to restart ... why can't MS allow at least podcast app to run in the background if their Zune is such a shitty podcast manager that not only can't stream podcast but can't even download over the air. I need two app to do this simple task and it's pretty stupid thing to not quickly fix.
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VanMardigan said:
I mean I literally in this age have NO USE for shooting non 720p video or I see no reason why I wouldn't want the anti shake feature on every time I take a pic? I mean who wouldn't want that on? LOL
brotkasten
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As for the camera settings: See post #3922
WMPowerUser has a new interview with Microsoft's Brandon Watson and I'm just gonna paste the (imo) intersting parts:
Read the complete interview here: http://wmpoweruser.com/interview-with-brandon-watson-from-wp7-developer-team/
WMPowerUser has a new interview with Microsoft's Brandon Watson and I'm just gonna paste the (imo) intersting parts:
Read the complete interview here: http://wmpoweruser.com/interview-with-brandon-watson-from-wp7-developer-team/
VanMardigan
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brotkasten said:
I actually thought you were kidding.
Has MS ever actually addressed that issue? I've not even heard it on the Windows Phone podcast, they've been really good about avoiding that stuff.http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/02/06/bell-htc-hd7-goes-on-display-ready-to-launch-february-10th/
HTC HD7 on Bell on February 10th. Hope Rogers get the Dell Venue Pro in early March rather than late Been waiting so long... Even better would be if Dell.ca sells it so I can use my EPP!
HTC HD7 on Bell on February 10th. Hope Rogers get the Dell Venue Pro in early March rather than late
Been waiting so long... Even better would be if Dell.ca sells it so I can use my EPP!So what's the deal with Microsoft and the requirements for manufacturers? I thought they were the minimum suggested specs but every manufacturer has used the same components so far. Let's say Nokia does decide to make WP7 phones, is it possible they could make a true high end device with a better processor, better screen etc without requiring special support from Microsoft?
Vanillalite
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Charred Greyface said:
I think they all went with what they went cause they were all gonna be launch units so they got a great price by all the manufactures going with the same chipset for a baseline. Cost effective verses trying to go outside the box especially when the device already ran perfectly smooth to begin with.
Why go with extra power? The devices and the OS themselves are perfectly smooth not counting some bugs that need to be squashed. Not like the device is gonna run faster than it already does, and nobody is gonna code apps for one phone that has higher specs when the rest don't. Now if they start to add to the OS with things like multitasking it might be time to up the horsepower.
The WP7 specs are nice when considered in a vacuum but better specs would help when stacking the phones against their counterparts on other platforms. Even at launch, the WP7 phones were considered midrange hardware and a few people mentioned that they would wait for the second generation expected early this year. Instead the next hardware batch has failed to materialize...Brettison said:
Charred Greyface said:
As far as I know, the OS has to be updates to support the various chipsets. The next update is supposed to add support for a second generation Qualcomm Snapdragon SoC.
I think if it was possible for OEMs to use whatever they want, the Samsung Focus and Omnia would definitely be using Hummingbirds instead of Snapdragons.
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giga said:
You have to swipe across the middle band to get the paste icon to re-appear. The assumption is that user will paste once, so the icon is hidden to make room for text-completion suggestions.
See the following post..
http://windowsphonesecrets.com/2011/02/06/windows-phone-7-copypaste-demo-with-multiple-paste/
Anton Sugar
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So...any word on that update dropping today, as rumored?
brotkasten
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It's still early in Redmond, but why would you expect it to come out today? It was a random rumor from a random (french, iirc) site with no track record.Mr. Snrub said:
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brotkasten said:
brotkasten
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Hey, I'm not saying it wont happen today. It's the 7th after all and the folks at MS like to do stuff like that (remember, the Zune software was named 4.7, because it was 'for Windows Phone 7' and the Zune HD fw update v4.5 was released on April 5th, or 04/05/ last year). Still, I highly doubt it and we would've heard more.Mr. Snrub said:
They were specifically talking about the update.claviertekky said:
edit: Just checked WMPowerUser's source and they don't even mention a date:
http://translate.google.com/transla...iement-de-la-mise-a-jour-aurait-commence/1928
And their source dates back to January 13th (again, without a date).
Here's the "article" on WMPU: http://wmpoweruser.com/first-windows-phone-7-update-coming-february-7th/
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Again, because although specs are nice for comparison, these phones work fine as was pointed out to you already. The experience was customized for this chipset. A higher spec'ed phone would not be taken advantage of, so what's the point? Android can have its dick waving hardware contests. When they just cram stuff that doesn't improve the user experience because the os wasn't designed to take advantage of it, what does it matter? Wp7's approach is the best way to ensure user experience consistency and developer experience consistency with a greater hardware variety than IOS.Charred Greyface said:
The os runs butter smooth and the games look amazing, specs be damned.
brotkasten
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I'm sure it was one of the first things that came up, when your colleagues redesigned the calendar app. :lolOuterWorldVoice said:
btw, Last.fm is switching to a subscription-based model for devices. It's $3 per month now and if you want to use the service on devices, you have to pay. Except for Windows Phone 7 and Xbox 360 users.
http://blog.last.fm/2011/02/07/last...ture-on-mobile-and-home-entertainment-devices
Pretty much. I just read the LG Optimus 2X review on Engadget and they gave it a 6/10. So much for the first Tegra 2/dual-core smartphone on the market.VanMardigan said:
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
My wife owns a captivate, which is essentially my Focus but has the superior hummingbird chip. Guess which phone works without os lag, which phone can scroll through lists without hiccups, which phone can zoom through the desktop version of websites without stuttering, which phone has better looking games, and which phone hasn't been updated to the latest software version seven months later?
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A Nokia WP7 would be another choice for the end-user. You're saying the WP7 devices out there are all the same (bc they share the same specs), so why would it matter, right? Well, there's a reason why the Focus and Omnia 7 are the best selling WP7 devices on the market.Charred Greyface said:
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
It means we would get the well designed and rock solid Nokia hardware paired with the best smartphone software ever put in a Nokia device, and that it will all run smoothly and look great regardless of the chipset inside.Charred Greyface said:
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I've been using my Samsung Focus since early November, but there is one thing I wish the OS had... a button or swipe to hide the software keyboard.
For example, I click in a text field, finish typing and want to close the keyboard to move to the next field. I end up having to click somewhere in the form that is empty space in order to minimize the keyboard.
Is there a better work around?
(I just tried using the back button and it minimizes the keyboard - DOH!)
NVM
For example, I click in a text field, finish typing and want to close the keyboard to move to the next field. I end up having to click somewhere in the form that is empty space in order to minimize the keyboard.
Is there a better work around?
(I just tried using the back button and it minimizes the keyboard - DOH!)
NVM
brotkasten
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Yeah, just press the back button. It took me some time to get that.CaptainABAB said:
The the same lines though, they really need to have a way for a developer to disable the soft keys or repurpose them for something else. Or maybe at least require double-taps (or "are you sure?") before they work.
I checked out the Rocket Riot demo and it's cool, but I kept hitting the Start button when swiping the right side of the screen to shoot a rocket.
I checked out the Rocket Riot demo and it's cool, but I kept hitting the Start button when swiping the right side of the screen to shoot a rocket.
Some apps handle this by having a popup appear to confirm that you want to close the app, but it is not consistent.dLMN8R said:
As for Rocket Riot in particular, I had that problem at first until I noticed that the screen is basically split in half (for controls that is), so you don't need to be swiping on the far right near the buttons (or left depending on which way you hold the phone). Once I got used to swiping closer to the middle of the screen I haven't had any accidental button presses. On that note, I highly recommend people trying Rocket Riot; since the latest game update it now works on my Focus and I must say that despite the relatively high price, it is a terrific game that is absolutely worth the money in my opinion.
snap0212 said:Wow, they updates the Zune Software? Did they change the App Management?There's something happening, I'm excited, but on a PC where almost anything is blocked. :/
Most of what I've read says that there aren't any major changes, maybe just background stuff to support the update? It even has the same version number. People do say it loads and runs faster though.
brotkasten
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Zune software client update? Hm, the WP7 update must be around the corner.
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